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It reminds me of the book that we talk about all the time, The Gift of Fear.

Like what an amazing time to like tune into and listen to that gift.

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Gavin DeBecker put it best in his book The Gift of Fear. Intuition is always right in at least two important ways. It is always in response to something and it always has your best interest at heart.

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A line from Gavin DeBecca's book "The Gift of Fear" puts it best that at some point a domestic violence victim becomes a domestic violence volunteer.

The ways we often collude consciously or unconsciously with predators usually by ignoring our intuition, discounting the numerous alarm bells that go off early on with somebody dangerous.

I imagine Gavin gets a decent amount of flak for saying stuff like that because it sounds like victim blaming.

I've read his book, interviewed him here on the show. I've walked away with a totally different reading of that. I don't see this as victim blaming, I actually see it as victim empowering.

What Gavin's trying to do here is push people and he can be a little bit tough about this sometimes. I know it comes from a place of actually caring about this. He's pushing people to recognize how much agency they do have and how we still have a personal responsibility to protect ourselves from people who want to harm us.

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luckily we have a solution in the form of your book

it reminds you of the G

it's not like a book where just as there's a different route you know it's kind of trying to tell the story about that route or things that has happened in racing or training along like me really thinking oh crap I've got a week to buy some quite a lot of Christmas presents

get online and get that problem solved

great words according to G the perfect Christmas gift he says

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You ever read the gift of fear? Gavin De Becker book really great book it was published like 30 years ago or something I think Oprah made it quite a big deal and uh it's about it's by a um I think he used to be a body guard he's like a personal security expert and he tells all these stories it's mostly about women and maybe this applies to men too um where women basically ended up getting um attacked by men who they did actually have bad vibes about in some way but they ignored those and it cost them right and his argument is that um fear is a gift and that you should listen to your instincts because often again highly you know very uh evolved to be very very attuned these instincts right there's a reason why we are descended from people who listen to their instincts in this regard um and often your unconscious will spot things that your conscious brain hasn't spotted and maybe you'll be worried about being impolite or being weird or whatever you know so I can't remember all of the stories but I remember there's one of a woman who a man offered to help her carry her shopping up to her flat and he was really insistent about it and she was like okay so she let him and then as soon as he was in the flat he shut the door and attacked her and she was lucky to survive she she said later that it was weird he like he didn't feel like he was just being nice she got she got bad vibes from him she got the ick whatever there was something like going on but her conscious brain said he's just being nice and so she ignored her instincts and she let him into her flat and that's the sort of example where actually I think that our unconscious brains know are actually very wise about a lot of these things

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Everybody read the book that we mentioned frequently a few years back, The Gift of Fear by Gavin De Becker. The idea of intuition there.

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If you are looking for a book to teach you more about intuition, please, please, please read The Gift of Fear by Gavin DeBecker.

We've mentioned it in the past. It came out in 1997. So I guess it's relatively new in the grand scheme.

But the idea here is this guy, DeBecker, looked through the notion of intuition, the idea that you have a hunch like Noel, for instance. Have you ever met someone and had a really good or really bad vibe off them that you couldn't explain consciously?

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I read a book called The Gift and it's really about how to use money. The purpose of money is to keep it in circulation, not to stow it away.

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Yeah, what Gavin DeBecker calls the gift of fear, right? I will recommend that book until I'm blue in the face but yes, that is what Kazu is feeling.

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He also made sure I read The Gift of Fear, which is a book I recommend everyone read at some point.

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Gavin DeBecker, one of the world's leading security experts in the gift of fear, calls it a brilliant internal guardian that stands ready to warn you of hazards and guide you through risky situations.

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In Gavin DeBecker's book, The Gift of Fear, he writes, Unlike when people lived in small communities and could not escape their past behavior, we live in an age of anonymous one-time encounters, and many people have become expert at the art of fast persuasion.

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It is very much worth your time Regardless of who you are. It is just filled with bangers after bangers ice cold bars this guy has

It has two big words gift and fear it overwhelmingly focuses on intuition as a means of safety and harm prevention and survival

I think it's interesting too that fear is the key word in that title because I mean a lot of the stuff Goes back to you know, just animalistic instincts

We owe a lot of this to an author named gavin de becker who wrote the gift of fear

pre-incident indicators Okay, that was sexy as acronym, but it gets the job done and what is a pin you might ask

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It reminds me of this excellent book called The Gift of Fear, which I highly recommend, which essentially the argument is that your unconscious mind picks up a lot of things that your conscious mind might miss. And when you get a bad vibe or you get a strange feeling, that could be your some other part of your mind saying, hey, you and the forebrain pay attention to this.

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which is why I highly recommend a book called The Gift of Fear by a guy named Gavin DeBecca.

It's the full title is The Gift of Fear, Survival Signals that Protect Us from Violence.

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It is very much worth your time Regardless of who you are.

It is just filled with bangers after bangers ice cold bars this guy has

It has two big words gift and fear

fear fear

I think it's interesting too that fear is the key word in that title because I mean a lot of the stuff Goes back to you know, just animalistic Instincts, you know, I mean if you are threatened then you're going to be in a heightened state of awareness and you're going to be Kind of keyed up to to lock in on some of these non-verbal cues a threatening stance perhaps

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It reminds me of this excellent book called The Gift of Fear, which I highly recommend, which essentially the argument is that your unconscious mind picks up a lot of things that your conscious mind might miss.

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which is why I highly recommend a book called The Gift of Fear by a guy named Gavin DeBecca.

It's the full title is The Gift of Fear, Survival Signals that Protect Us from Violence.

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It reminds me of this excellent book called The Gift of Fear, which I highly recommend, which essentially the argument is that your unconscious mind picks up a lot of things that your conscious mind might miss.

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which is why I highly recommend a book called The Gift of Fear by a guy named Gavin DeBecca.

It's the full title is The Gift of Fear, Survival Signals that Protect Us from Violence.

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I only realized a decade and a half later when reading the book they give to fear that that was you.

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We did an episode with Gavin Debecker who wrote The Gift of Fear and one of the things that he taught me in the 90s that he writes about in some of his books is never go to the secondary location.

I always reference this book The Gift of Fear it is absolutely one of the best books that I've ever read and he is spot on in terms of telling you how to handle these situations.

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Gavin's been head of security for folks like Oprah, Jeff Bezos, one of the world's most respected people in the security industry globally. He's also the author of The Gift of Fear. This book is tremendously popular.

This show morphed into a sort of a toolbox for safety here on The Jordan Harbanger Show, send it to everyone you care about.

Links to everything he's done will be in the website in the show notes, of course, including the book The Gift of Fear.

If you buy the book, it does help support the show.

There's so much here in the book as well. A lot of practical exercises about asking yourself what your anxiety is hiding using the gift of fear might have to have you come back at some point as well.

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Nancy's love story could have been ripped right out of the pages of one of her own novels. She was a romance mystery writer who happens to be married to a chef. But this story didn't end with a happily ever after.

As writers, we'd written our share of murder mysteries. So when suspicion turned to Dan's wife Nancy, we weren't that surprised. The first person they look at would be the spouse. We understand that's usually the way they do it.

But we began to wonder, had Nancy gotten so wrapped up in her own novels There are murders in all of the books That she was playing them out in real life?

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Nancy's love story could have been ripped right out of the pages of one of her own novels.

She was a romance mystery writer who happens to be married to a chef.

As writers, we'd written our share of murder mysteries. So when suspicion turned to Dan's wife Nancy, we weren't that surprised.

We understand that's usually the way they do it.

But we began to wonder, had Nancy gotten so wrapped up in her own novels? There are murders in all of the books.

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Brophy's love story could have been ripped right out of the pages of one of her own novels. She was a romance mystery writer who happens to be married to a chef. But this story didn't end with a happily ever after.

As writers, we'd written our share of murder mysteries. So when suspicion turned to Dan's wife Nancy, we weren't that surprised.

The first person they look at would be the spouse. We understand that's usually the way they do it. But we began to wonder, had Nancy gotten so wrapped up in her own novels, There are murders in all of the books.

That she was playing them out in real life?

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Nancy's love story could have been ripped right out of the pages of one of her own novels.

She was a romance mystery writer who happens to be married to a chef.

As writers, we'd written our share of murder mysteries.

There are murders in all of the books.

But we began to wonder, had Nancy gotten so wrapped up in her own novels... that she was playing them out in real life?

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There are murders in all of the books.

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This story didn't end with a happily ever after.

As writers, we'd written our share of murder mysteries.

There are murders in all of the books.

"

Nancy's love story could have been ripped right out of the pages of one of her own novels. She was a romance mystery writer who happens to be married to a chef. But this story didn't end with a happily ever after.

As writers, we'd written our share of murder mysteries. So when suspicion turned to Dan's wife Nancy, we weren't that surprised. The first person they look at would be the spouse. We understand that's usually the way they do it. But we began to wonder had Nancy gotten so wrapped up in her own novels? There are murders in all of the books. That she was playing them out in real life?

Follow Happily Never After Dan and Nancy on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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This story didn't end with a happily ever after.

As writers, we'd written our share of murder mysteries.

So when suspicion turned to Dan's wife, Nancy, we weren't that surprised.

The first person they look at would be the spouse. They understand that's usually the way they do it.

But we began to wonder, had Nancy gotten so wrapped up in her own novels? There are murders in all of the books. That she was playing them out in real life?

"

Nancy's love story could have been ripped right out of the pages of one of her own novels.

She was a romance mystery writer who happens to be married to a chef.

As writers, we'd written our share of murder mysteries.

There are murders in all of the books.

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As writers, we'd written our share of murder mysteries. So when suspicion turned to Dan's wife Nancy, we weren't that surprised.

The first person they look at would be the spouse. We understand that's usually the way they do it. But we began to wonder, had Nancy gotten so wrapped up in her own novels There are murders in all of the books.

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As writers, we'd written our share of murder mysteries.

So when suspicion turned to Dan's wife, Nancy, we weren't that surprised.

The first person they look at would be the spouse. We understand that's usually the way they do it.

But we began to wonder, had Nancy gotten so wrapped up in her own novels?

There are murders in all of the books.

"

Nancy's love story could have been ripped right out of the pages of one of her own novels.

She was a romance mystery writer who happens to be married to a chef.

As writers, we'd written our share of murder mysteries.

There are murders in all of the books.

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Nancy was a romance mystery writer who happens to be married to a chef.

This story didn't end with a happily ever after.

As writers, we'd written our share of murder mysteries.

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So often it seems like we hear the stories of like the Steve Jobs, and I really enjoyed that book by Walter Isaacson and that story very impressed by his contributions, always complicated person as is often the case with people that make big contributions it seems.

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One of the things your dad has quoted in a biography is by Walter Isaacson was that your interest in biotech was a silver lining of his getting sick. What did you think when you read that? You don't have to comment on the book, but in general, do you think that was the case to get you here?

It is a silver lining. I don't think that's a bad way to put it at all. Again, most people who work in cancer do it for very personal reasons.

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In the story of Job, what does God say to him? Were you there when the sons of God shouted for joy? Elder Maxwell said, now that we're here, we're wondering what all the shouting was about.

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I'm referring to a gentleman in the Old Testament named Job.

Job's story is put in the pages of Scripture because God wants us to gain wisdom from Job on how to handle Job-like seasons.

In Job 1 verse 1 it says, 'In the land of Uz there lived a man whose name was Job. He was blameless and upright. He feared God and shunned evil.'

So, the writer of this narrative is trying to get us to see that if anybody should have been able to avoid seasons of ambiguity and uncertainty, it should be this man.

Then Job replied to the Lord, 'I know you can do all things, and no purpose of yours can be thwarted, meaning that what you have for me will be performed in me and through me, regardless of what happens to me.'

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But when God was revealing himself in the book of Job, the Devil was going all through the earth trying to look for somebody he could tamper with.

God asked a question to Satan. He said, 'Have you considered my servant Job? Have you thought about picking on him? He's my guy.'

Job had a reputation with heaven, and heaven knew about Job he could be trusted with trouble.

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If you haven't read Walter Isaacson's books on Steve Jobs, on Da Vinci, on Einstein, read them. Those guys have failed so many times.

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And if you haven't read Walter Isaacson's book on him, it's amazing.

And so Steve Wozniak is looking at Steve Jobs and having an argument. And he says to Steve Jobs, he goes, well, what do you even do? And imagine looking at Steve Jobs and going, what do you even do?

And so Steve Wozniak goes, you're not an engineer. You're not a coder. You're not an artist. You're not a marketer or whatever he says. What do you even do?

And Steve Jobs says, musicians play their instruments. I play the orchestra.

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When I read about Steve Jobs and his biography by Walter Isaacson, who we've also had on the podcast, I learned about something which is a term called RDF, Reality Distortion Field.

It's when someone distorts reality to suit their narrative.

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I believe it's in Walter Isaacson's book or maybe in one of the other stories of Steve Wozniak looking at Steve Jobs and he's saying what do you even do? You're not a coder.

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Like I said, your biographies on Steve Jobs and Einstein particularly go down as two of my favorite books of all time.

I put the Steve Jobs biography into my top three books of all time.

Well, that's because of Steve Jobs. I just tried to report and he's the one who led the interesting life.

No, absolutely. But you captured it splendidly and beautifully.

When he was a young kid, his dad was building a fence around the backyard of the house, and young Steve was helping with his hammer. His father said, we have to make the back of the fence just as beautiful as the front. Steve said, well, it faces these woods and marshland. Nobody will ever see it. Nobody will know. His father said, well, you will know.

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I mean, every word I put the Steve Jobs biography into my top three books of all time.

Well, that's because of Steve Jobs. I just tried to report and he's the one who led the interesting life.

No, absolutely. But you captured it splendidly and beautifully.

I wish more of them had rubbed off on me. I'd love to be more like Steve Jobs, although perhaps kinder and gentler at times.

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It was a book on the concept that our minds are tapped into a higher power. We can download insights and we can shift the fabric of the world.

If you read Steve Jobs' biography by Walter Isaacson, you know, Isaacson literally writes, Steve Jobs believed in prana or an intuitive way of living in the world.

Yeah, absolutely. And I love that book. It's right behind the big light. Beautiful book.

Isaacson said Jobs' ideas were so brilliant, so revolutionary. They seem to come from magic.

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Once he started working on this book with me, he just wanted to talk on and on, which was great.

He also said, you know, I'm famous for being brutally honest with people. I want you to be brutally honest in this book.

I read Steve Jobs' book pretty much the day it came out.

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Once he started working on this book with me, he just wanted to talk on and on, which was great.

He also said, you know, I'm famous for being brutally honest with people. I want you to be brutally honest in this book.

I read Steve Jobs' book pretty much the day it came out.

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Walter Isaacson, author of Steve Jobs The Exclusive Biography said that this idea applied, quote, whether he was getting a license plate that let him use handicapped parking or building products that people said weren't possible.

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I think it's Job who's going to ask, if a man die, will he live again? That is the question that Jesus answers.

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Job is a great book to read when we're suffering.

Shall we accept good from the hand of the Lord and not accept evil?

the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away. Blessed be the name of the Lord.

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Also, two more chapters from the book of our friend Job, Job 37-38.

The Book of Job chapter 37 and 38.

Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge?

And so we're at almost the end, almost the very end of the book of Genesis and almost the very end of the book of Job.

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And we're also reading Job chapter 27 and 28 and then Proverbs chapter 3 verses 25 to 27.

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And over the next few months I was drawn to the book of Job because I felt something resonating inside

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Yeah, I did you know the character Edward he is just such a protector. So soft spoken. I'm afraid always there even his build was similar to Ryan's.

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Now you've always loved reading and around this time you fell in love with a very popular book series. What was it? It was The Twilight Saga.

And can you tell me a little bit about what The Twilight Saga is? I confess I have not read the books. What is their broad plot and what is it about?

Well, you know, I was turned on to The Twilight Saga when I dropped my kids off at elementary school and there was a group of moms clustered around. Megan was one of the moms, my friend, and they were all laughing hysterically.

And I went over and I said, hey, what's so funny? And Megan said, oh, I've been reading this romance novel that I absolutely love. And I went into the bookstore to try to get the sequel and I couldn't find it.

So I went up to the bookstore owner and I said, hey, you know, where's the sequel? And he said, it's in the teenager section.

So all the moms started cracking up. They thought that was the funniest thing. But she said, but you guys have to read it. It's so good.

So I said, okay, Megan, what is it called? Because I'm always looking for a good read, right?

She said, oh, it's called The Twilight Saga.

So I thought, okay, I'll give it a try. And it was absolutely mesmerizing for me. It was as if I had never read a novel in my life. And all of a sudden, this novel about a bunch of teenage vampires running around biting each other on the neck just absolutely transported me.

It was really weird.

So the Twilight books eventually spawned a very popular series of films.

I want to play you a clip from one of those movies. A teenage girl named Bella is confronting a boy she knows, Edward, about his true nature. I know what you are.

Say it out loud. Say it. Vampire.

Are you afraid?

No.

Okay.

So there are a lot of, you know, breathless pauses here, but I'm hearing, you know, fantasy paranormal stuff, but it sounds like an innocent enough pastime, Anna.

Oh, an innocent enough pastime? Sure. It always starts out innocent.

And of course, you know, it was, but what happened was it changed the way I felt in the moment in a way that resonated so deeply that I wanted to keep recreating that feeling.

And what was that feeling? It was essentially a feeling of non-being.

While I was reading the Twilight saga, it just transported me to another time and place such that I completely forgot myself.

And that self forgetting was clearly something that I needed and wanted.

You know, I read the whole saga.

I think it's like four books.

And then I wanted to recreate that feeling again.

So I read the whole saga again.

Wow.

Pleasurable, but not as pleasurable as the first time around.

But by then I was completely tapped into this whole genre of vampire romance novels.

And so I started to invest larger and larger amounts of time, energy, and creativity into obtaining and reading vampire romance novels.

You know, seemingly innocent to start with, but it became a bit of an obsession.

And when I ran out of vampire romance novels, I moved on to werewolf romance novels.

And then there was necromancers and soothsayers and all kinds of paranormal romance novels.

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They also said that I was in a vampire cult, which I think is because I was into Twilight at the time.

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And then later in the day, I had this screen test for this book series that's about vampires.

And I was like, I don't really care about that. So hopefully I get this Disney, the rock film.

People told me like these books are pretty popular. I was like, hmm. Yeah, I've never heard of them.

But so I had no real concept except people telling me this could be something because the books are popular.

It's so interesting to remember, like Team Edward, Team Jacob and the dynamic how hard people went for those teams.

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I listen to the books on tape of Twilight, which are-

They are so horribly written, it is shocking.

The first book is written in the first person.

It's written as Bella.

You are listening to it like, it's so terrible.

I can't say for sure how many times I watched the first three Twilight movies.

I know I saw Twilight and New Moon at least 10 times each and Eclipse probably five or six.

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It's like the vampire shit. Same with Twilight. Like I'm obsessed.

It sounds like the um, Klaus's, what is Klaus's last name? Uh, Michelson.

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Twilight Thick Non-See-Through Shower Curtain.

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The 1893 World's Fair in Chicago, the white city where the devil in the white city is set.

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I read a lot. I do. I'm a very avid reader. And I do read crime. I read a lot of crime Devil in the White City. And I mean, you know, all those kinds of things.

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It's the story of HH Holmes all around the world's fair in Chicago and how he was able to get all this done because there was so much stuff going on and it's really creepy and really great fantastic fantastic listen.

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The title I'm listening to right now that I'm having a lot of fun listening to is The Devil in the White City. It's called It's by Eric Larson it's the story of H.H. Holmes all around the world spare in Chicago and how he was able to get all this done because there was so much stuff going on and it's really creepy and really great fantastic fantastic listen.

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The title I'm listening to right now that I'm having a lot of fun listening to is The Devil in the White City. It's called It's by Eric Larson it's the story of HH Holmes all around the world spare in Chicago and how he was able to get all this done because there was so much stuff going on and it's really creepy and really great fantastic fantastic listen.

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It's called It's by Eric Larson. It's the story of HH Holmes all around the world's fair in Chicago and how he was able to get all this done because there was so much stuff going on and it's really creepy and really great fantastic fantastic listen as an Audible

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The title I'm listening to right now that I'm having a lot of fun listening to is The Devil in the White City. It's called It's by Eric Larson. It's the story of H.H. Holmes all around the world's fair in Chicago and how he was able to get all this done because there was so much stuff going on and it's really creepy and really great fantastic fantastic listen as an Audible member.

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The title I'm listening to right now that I'm having a lot of fun listening to is The Devil in the White City. It's called It's by Eric Larson. It's the story of H.H. Holmes all around the world, spare in Chicago and how he was able to get all this done because there was so much stuff going on and it's really creepy and really great.

Fantastic fantastic listen as an Audible member you can choose one title a month to keep it. You can have it. It's fantastic including latest bestsellers and new releases.

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The title I'm listening to right now that I'm having a lot of fun listening to is The Devil in the White City. It's called It's by Eric Larson it's the story of HH Holmes all around the world spare in Chicago and how he was able to get all this done because there was so much stuff going on and it's really creepy and really great fantastic fantastic listen as an audible member you can choose one title a month to keep the entire catalog you can have it it's fantastic including latest best sellers and new releases

It's really creepy and really great fantastic fantastic listen.

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The title I'm listening to right now that I'm having a lot of fun listening to is the Devil in the White City. It's called...it's by Eric Larson. It's the story of H.H. homes all around the world's fair in Chicago and how he was able to get all this done because there was so much stuff going on and it's really creepy and really great...fantastic fantastic listen.

It's really creepy and really great fantastic fantastic listen as an Audible member you can choose one title a month to keep from the entire catalog. You can have it. It's fantastic including latest bestsellers and new releases.

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So many H's.

HHH Holmes. HHH.

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Also known as the White City some of you might recognize it from Eric Larson's book called devil in the white city

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Have you ever read Devil in the White City?

God, the guy does such a great job of describing that World's Fair and like the importance of it.

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Have you ever read Devil in the White City?

I know I've asked you before. I saw it already.

You still have it? No. Man, you're really going to like it, Chuck.

But anyway, it was that World's Fair. God, the guy does such a great job of describing that World's Fair and like the importance of it.

Far as I know, he doesn't mention zippers, but he may because he did some pretty good research, obviously.

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Have you ever read Devil in the White City?

God, the guy does such a great job of describing that World's Fair and like the importance of it.

Far as I know, he doesn't mention zippers, but he may because he did some pretty good research, obviously.

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Have you ever read Devil in the White City?

God, the guy does such a great job of describing that World's Fair and like the importance of it. Far as I know, he doesn't mention zippers, but he may because he did some pretty good research, obviously.

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We've also seen similar things such as The Devil in the White City, right?

Yeah, that's another one.

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We've also seen similar things such as The Devil in the White City, right?

Yeah, that's another one.

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Especially really the book the devil in the white city. Yes, we were talking to you read that

I think there was a book and then I was like Don't call that one this second the words out of the month, and then I was like that's right. It's called devil

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and just had Eric Larson on, author of Devil in the White City.

That was big. And Dead Wake and Splendid in the Vial.

And it put the lie to that expression, don't ever meet your heroes, because he was that cool and that great.

And he chose the Manhattan, which happens to be my favorite drink.

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I'm reading because we've been doing a lot of work with the tunnel the towers guys. And one of my buddies who you've met has been involved in some of the prosecution. He suggested that I read the oral history of 9-11, which is it's been out a long time, but it's been, you know, 23 years since 9-11. And I'm reading all of these.

I finished this the book about the start of the Civil War, which was good. The Eric Larson book and now you know what?

I also like the Eric Larson book on Fort Sumner, but I'm a Civil War history buff. So I knew a lot of those details but it was still well done.

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I'm actually watching the John Adams show with Carrie, the HBO. It's good. It's well done. I mean, that's your body. Jamadi pays, plays Adams. Right. He's a good actor. I wouldn't have gone with him to play John Adams personally. I know it's a little off for me, but it's a well done. It's a well done series on the David McCullough books. Yeah, that, and there's evidently, um, Michael Douglas is playing Benjamin Franklin. Have you heard about this show? And supposedly it's pretty good. I haven't seen it. I am, I am during the summer trying to read more. So I finished this, uh, the book about the start of the civil war, which was good. The Eric Larson book.

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For a while, it seemed like everybody on the El was reading Devil in the White City.

But after Devil in the White City made him famous all over again, he really became a popular guy around here and especially in Chicago.

Current book, which is sort of a no brainer for this episode, would be The Devil in the White City by Eric Larson based on the true story account of H.A. Holmes and his going ons in the Chicago area during the World's Fair.

After reading the book, it delves really into the fair and the historical times. And H.H. Holmes is a character running through this story, but it really focuses more on the historical aspects of it. And that's what I found that I like the best about the book.

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He wrote Devil in the White City and he wrote this great book that's about the lead up to the Civil War and he does portraits of all these different people that were slave owners and in politics.

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The devil in the white city, tasty.

I couldn't have read the boring book about the world's fair and then looked at the footnotes and then read five more books.

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He wrote The Splendid in the Vial, Dead Wake in the Garden of Beasts, Thunderstruck, and of course, The Devil in the White City.

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That's the impact that Upson Sinclair's the jungle had.

And in the book, I mean, he went undercover, he was a muckraking journalist, God bless him.

And he went undercover to basically just take notes on all the horrible things he saw in the, in the meatpacking industry and slaughterhouses.

And he chronicled all the inhumane things that he saw and the way the animals were treated.

But he also saw the inhumane ways the workers were treated.

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The impoverished humans who drew the first line of the jungle. The impoverished humans who drew the factory's dirty work.

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This opens the door to return to the days of Upton Sinclair's The Jungle.

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I remember reading that. It was so disgusting. So awful. Reading is good. Reading is fundamental. Books are great.

And people finding out about stuff that isn't right outside their front door and then caring about it is what books are for, aka don't let weirdos shut down your local public libraries.

Yeah. And banning books is fucking bad. Banning books is what fascists and Nazis do.

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Upton Sinclair certainly didn't help later on with his book The Jungle.

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Upton Sinclair certainly didn't help later on with his book, The Jungle.

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Upton Sinclair certainly didn't help later on with his book The Jungle.

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Upton Sinclair certainly didn't help later on with his book, The Jungle.

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Upton Sinclair certainly didn't help later on with his book, The Jungle.

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There were cattle which had been fed on whiskey malt, the refuse of the breweries and had become what the men called 'stearly', which means covered in boils. It was a nasty job killing these for when you plunged your knife into them, they would burst and splatter foul smelling stuff onto your face. And when a man's sleeves were smeared with blood, his hands steeped in it, how was he ever to wipe his face or to clear his eyes so that he could see?

I aimed at the public's heart and by accident I hit it in the stomach.

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There were cattle which had been fed on whiskey malt, the refuse of the breweries and had become what the men called stearly, which means covered in boils. It was a nasty job killing these for when you plunged your knife into them, they would burst and splatter foul smelling stuff onto your face.

And when a man's sleeves were smeared with blood, his hands steeped in it. How was he ever to wipe his face or to clear his eyes so that he could see?

I aimed at the public's heart and by accident I hit it in the stomach.

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read what's his name Upton Sinclair what shit was going on in Chicago in the slaughterhouses

it's about the meatpacking shit right?

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The meatpacking industry famously registered structural upheaval not in response to data on worker conditions, but Upton Sinclair's novel The Jungle.

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I have come to write the Uncle Tom's Cabin of the labor movement.

Chicago will be ours.

I aimed at the public's heart and by accident, I hit it in the stomach.

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It's like the first expose blown the lid off of meatpacking at a time where there was like zero oversight.

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It was called the jungle written by a guy named Upton Sinclair And it shed a lot of light on things people would rather not think about you know what I mean and

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one of the primary motivating factors for the creation of the FDA was a book a quite disturbing book About stockyards in Chicago. It was called the jungle written by a guy named Upton Sinclair

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That was going to say gross. Yeah, gross and gruesome story about the meatpacking industry.

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You ever read Upton Sinclair's The Jungle?

About how the sausage is made?

One of the books I skipped in high school that I was supposed to read or don't remember, at least.

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if you read the jungle as a kid in high school or whatever eptanson clears expose of the meat packing industry then i strongly suggest you read his book the brass check which is actually an expose of the news industry around the same time and sadly almost nothing this changed

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if you read The Jungle as a kid in in high school or whatever epton Sinclair's expose of the meatpacking industry then I strongly suggest you read his book The Brass Check which is actually an expose of the news industry around the same time and sadly almost nothing has changed

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do you remember in high school, did you read Upton Sinclair as the jungle?

If people weren't liable for ensuring that there were guards around meat grinders, we'd still have people falling into meat grinders.

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He depicted the horrors he witnessed in a searing novel called The Jungle that shocked the nation and spurred Congress to action.

This book followed the life of a Lithuanian immigrant working in the Chicago meatpacking industry.

Sinclair described walls stained with animal blood, rotten beef treated with chemicals, and dead rats mixed into sausage meat.

Sinclair quipped that he aimed at the heart of the American people and instead hit their stomach.

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the famous book by Upton Sinclair, the jungle.

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She would write a book, Grit, The Power of Passion and Perseverance.

She says, I feel like the enthusiasm is getting ahead of the science.

She said that in one of the op-eds for The New York Times, she condemned the idea that students would face high stakes character assessment.

She says, caring about how to grow grit in our young people, no matter their socioeconomic background, doesn't preclude concern for things other than grit. Grit may not be sufficient for success, but it sure is necessary if we want our children to have a shot at a productive and satisfying life.

I feel bad for her that her study just got completely distorted and taken out of context and out of hand.

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Angela, in case you don't know, is a research psychologist at the University of Pennsylvania and author of the book Grit.

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Our friend Angela Duckworth, a research psychologist at the University of Pennsylvania, wrote a book about this. It's called Grit, the Power of Passion and Perseverance.

I think the reason why there are all these aphorisms about not giving up and maybe why so much of my research has focused on the psychology of staying the course is that sometimes the road not taken, the track that you want to switch to, is appealing not because it is objectively better, but because it's objectively easier just in the short run.

In other words, we give up because we're lazy, or maybe impatient or intimidated, or we're scared to fail. That makes sense, doesn't it?

Duckworth is saying we might be better off by learning to tough it out.

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Or an amazing book called Grit.

Did you read Grit for that?

We did read Grit for that, of course, if we're coming to visit you.

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Angela Duckworth's book Grit, the Power of Passion and Perseverance became an instant success.

The book perched atop the bestseller list and became a global clarion call.

Angela's book Grit, The Power of Passion and Perseverance was published in 2016.

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And I mean, I didn't make that up. That's Angela Duckworth and her book Grit. A very good book.

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Angela Duckworth is a psychologist at the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia. She's the author of the book Grit and she is my co-host on the No Stupid Questions podcast, which you should also be listening to.

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A couple of years ago, I got to be good friends with Angela Duckworth, a psychologist at the University of Pennsylvania and author of the book, Grit.

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And that's how I discovered your book, Grit. And, oh man, Grit every day.

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Angela Duckworth is a psychologist at the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia. She's the author of the book Grit, and she is my co-host on the No Stupid Questions podcast, which you should also be listening to.

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In 2016, you wrote a book called Grit that really touched a nerve in society. It became a mega bestseller.

The two minute version of Grit is that when you look at high achievers, so Olympic athletes and frankly, Steve, people like, oh, Levitt, people like you, entrepreneurs who are really successful across all these different fields, they have one thing in common.

Likely not the only thing, but one common denominator that I've studied as a psychologist is this combination of perseverance and passion over really long periods. That's what I call grit.

And I think if you wanted a one word synonym, it would be stamina.

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a few months ago, we tried something different, a conversational question-asking episode between me and Angela Duckworth, the University of Pennsylvania psychologist who wrote the book Grit.

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Also joining us tonight as co-host, the University of Pennsylvania's psychology professor. She's also the author of the great book, Grit, The Power of Passion and Perseverance.

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Angela, if you don't know, is the author of the longtime bestseller Grit, the Power of Passion and Perseverance.

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Angela, here's what we know about you so far. We know that you are founder and CEO of The Character Lab. Correct.

You're best known for having written the book Grit.

Now you're the person that studies grit, passion and perseverance, so I'm not going to fact check you on whether people stick with things or not.

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Joining us tonight as co-host, the author of Grit, The Power of Passion and Perseverance.

In your book, Angela, it's passion and pursuit, right?

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including people you've heard before on Freakonomics Radio, like Angela Duckworth, the Penn Psychology professor and author of Grit, and David Laibson, chair of the Harvard Economics Department. Grit is passion and perseverance for very long-term goals.

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You may know Duckworth from her bestselling book called Grit, which we discussed on Freakonomics Radio.

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I define grit as passion and perseverance for especially long-term goals.

The message of the book is not that grit is a good thing in particular. The message of the book is that like so many other things about us that are good, we can do something to intentionally cultivate grit in ourselves and in others that we care about.

Oh, yes, here comes the self-promotion part. I am also author of a book called Grit, The Power of Passion and Perseverance.

I abbreviated it to 10 items in the book because I have discovered through personal experience that people are not very good at dividing by 12 to calculate their score.

I don't think that any of the measures that are currently available are appropriate for high stakes accountability policy, like whether a school is doing a good job educating their kids.

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I am also author of a book called Grit, The Power of Passion and Perseverance.

I define grit as passion and perseverance for especially long-term goals.

So the message of the book is not that grit is a good thing in particular. The message of the book is that like so many other things about us that are good, we can do something to intentionally cultivate grit in ourselves and in others that we care about.

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Angela Duckworth is a psychologist at the University of Pennsylvania. She's also founder and scientific director of the Character Lab. Her new book, Grit, The Power of Passion and Perseverance, is out this spring.

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She wrote the book called 'Grit' and she was into this idea because she studies self-control. That's what grit really is, having a lot of self-control and so she wanted to explore the Seven Deadly Sins as basically failures of self-control

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I'm writing this book as you know Mike and I will regularly let chat GPT give me feedback on entire chapters

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My TED Talk used to be called the key to success and some very unhappy person pointed out that's overselling and unlikely to be true.

I've been thinking about how the human mind likes for there to be THE key to weight loss, romantic satisfaction, a happy life, fill in the blank.

Like grit, it's the secret to success. Oh, I got it.

And then I guess you're going to get that as opposed to what I would say, which is like grit is one thing among many.

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I gave that book to all my friends. It was a big deal for me.

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And you're right in that if she was politically ambitious, the time to do it would have been off the back of Becoming, which in the UK was over every single billboard on all of the bus stops and all the train stations. So there was a mass marketing campaign around that she still looked upon favorably by the normie establishment.

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They would talk about the four-hour body a lot. It was a thing that would come up a lot and the first like 200 episodes and then they didn't really want to talk about it because there's some sort of weird sex chapter.

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And I have also been fortunate to read a bit of a book in Becoming, a manuscript, which, and I feel very fortunate, and I'm not going to quote from it too much here because it will come out and you can all read it one day.

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And I have also been fortunate to read a bit of a book in Becoming, a manuscript, which and I feel very fortunate. And I'm not going to quote from it too much here because it will come out and you can all read it one day.

The book that does not exist yet. The book does not exist. The book in becoming.

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They don't refer to drugs. They go. It's a very interesting molecule sodium carbonate. No Jesus Christ, that's a stuff man. What you listening at all? What are you listening rapamycin rapamycin oh yeah

Pretty sick stuff. That's what I need to look into the well. It's not approved yet. Don't worry this molecule this guy takes it Peter I have a my son doing so they discovered it in the Easter Islands in a dormant volcano. I'm out

It's cool dude, I'm telling you lying no, I'm telling you did you know there's so much people when they have Transplants they give them that drug that supposedly does it lowers their immune system? That's rapamycin

And it was the way it was discovered is pretty sick in the Easter some guy went to study the soil in the Easter Islands Because in this one volcano that was dormant the locals were like if you go lay in like that little whatever it is

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I'm happy to dramatically read Becoming.

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I'm pretty sure Tim Ferriss wrote about this in four hour body right 15 years ago whatever right they having an apple before bed having some sort of slow releasing glycemic index carbohydrate can really stabilize blood glucose and he nailed it he was he was dead on man like those things can be really really helpful

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So it was about all things physical improvement-related, modification-related, everything from breath-holding to vertical jump to ultra endurance to fat loss, you name it, right? All these mini chapters.

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Today we're talking about your new book, Superhuman. The book came out a couple of months ago and I'm finally here with Dave, the Bulletproof plan to age backward and maybe even live forever.

And part of superhuman, the anti-aging thing. No, I've got the data. It shows I have a 20 year old's brain and it's awesome because I can keep up.

And that was one of the reasons I wanted to write this book. It might take a few decades, so you're going to need more decades or you might cheat.

Each of the books, the superhuman book would have been a lifetime of research in a library using microfiche and card catalogs on this crap.

And I go through really cool news science in superhuman 45 percent of the cell membranes in your body are saturated fats and the brain militantly holds that constant.

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For our final self-improvement episode, a man whose entire life and career are one big pile of self-improvement, of accelerated self-improvement as evidenced by his book titles, The 4-Hour Workweek, The 4-Hour Chef, The 4-Hour Body.

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So the 4-Hour Body was the same. What are the hidden assumptions that are limiting the actions?

The Four Hour Body. Was that the one?

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Tim Ferris's The Four-Hour Body

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I read, um, it was a book. It's just called Uncommon. It's just like his struggle and his journey to get to where he's at.

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What is this our third book about how awesome she is? I know it's exactly right Becoming and now I think it's 304 pages right? Something ridiculous This book? Yeah. I haven't finished it yet.

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The 4-Hour Body was 2010, which meant I started writing in 2008. So I remember having a first-generation continuous glucose monitor.

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She's the author of Dopamine Nation, Finding Balance in the Age of Indulgence.

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Anna Lembke is a psychiatrist and researcher in the behavioral sciences at Stanford University. She's the author of *Dopamine Nation*, Finding Balance in the Age of Indulgence.

You're listening to Hidden Brain. I'm Shankar Vedantam. This is Hidden Brain. I'm Shankar Vedantam. Anna Lembke is a psychiatrist and researcher in the behavioral sciences at Stanford University. She's the author of *Dopamine Nation*, Finding Balance in the Age of Indulgence.

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Chief of Stanford Addiction Medicine Dual Diagnosis Clinic at Stanford University, author of Drug Dealer MD, and also Dopamine Nation. May I introduce Anna Lemke.

Dopamine Nation focuses very much on what we as individuals and we as families can do.

The first is Johns Hopkins University Press and the Dopamine Nation is published by Dutton Penguin Random House.

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There's a great book called dopamine nation by Awesome and I love this idea that The way the dopamine system works is that you can get addicted to anything whether it's chocolate cake or heroin or the example She gives in the book is vampire novels, and I think if you're a anxious person it's very easy to go down the rabbit hole and get hooked into anything and For me, it's like health podcasts. If I don't restrict my access to health podcasts I will start beating myself up every single day that I'm not doing my vo2 max training and I'm not taking self I did my Norwegian 4x4 this morning exactly right? There's always something

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Also Anna's book, Dopamine Nation is a wonderful one.

It will allow you to see and understand that these are brain mechanisms that are at play.

These are not, it's not a lack of willpower. It's a disruption in neurochemical circuit regulation.

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And one of the things that I love so much about Anna's message, she wrote the book Dopamine Nation.

Oh, I love that book.

Yeah, wonderful book.

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Dopamine Nation by Anna Lemke, which is about phone addiction and why it's like other addictions.

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She wrote Dopamine Nation, incredible book about dopamine in the context of addiction, but all kinds of addiction.

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She wrote Dopamine Nation, incredible book about dopamine in the context of addiction, but all kinds of addiction.

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It's not this like an anilemmke when she came on the podcast, author of dopamine nation and obviously had a dual diagnosis addiction clinic. The Stanford talked about, you know, these consumptive behaviors where people are scrolling social media or consuming porn or consuming drugs or alcohol in a way that like they're not in touch with the pleasure of the substance or behavior anymore.

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excellent book by the way highly recommended if you haven't read it already it's a fascinating exploration into dopamine as it relates to addiction not just drug addiction but other types of addiction again the name of that book is dopamine nation will provide a link to it in the show no captions.

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Dr. Anna Lemke is the author of this incredible book, Dopamine Nation that I think everybody should read.

I do believe everyone should read that book so important for the addict and non addict alike because it deals with basically the state of our life nowadays we're living in this dopamine rich world where we can quickly become dopamine depleted which is terrible leads to depression in addition to things like addiction and some folks etc.

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what happens is after those big peaks in dopamine the reservoir the baseline in dopamine drops below its initial level so it's as if the reservoir got deeper and it's emptier and it takes much much longer to fill

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If you're interested in dopamine and addiction in particular that's a wonderful clear and extremely informative read.

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my colleague at Stanford doctor on a limkey who's ahead of our dual diagnosis addiction clinic has talked about in her amazing book dopamine nation about patients of hers that have really helped themselves along and out of the more depressive phases of working through addiction and in just depression in general through directed cold water therapy.

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We're all experts in addiction and she talked about this pleasure pain balance that extends beyond alcohol to things like sex and gambling and to other behaviors that can potentially become addictive but certainly includes alcohol so tolerance it seems is a process in which people are ingesting more and more alcohol as an attempt to get that feeling of well being back.

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she is an amazing book called dopamine nation all about dopamine and both its uses healthy and its perils in things like addiction

and she describes a patient of hers that used deliberate cold exposure to try and maintain dopamine levels while coming off of drugs that were increasing dopamine so politely that they were putting him down the path of addiction

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Excellent book, I recommend to all people, addicts or not.

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One of our previous guests, Dr. Anna Lemke, who's a medical doctor at Stanford University School of Medicine, she's a close colleague of mine, described the use of dopamine in her book Dopamine Nation, an incredible book about addiction and dopamine I should mention, and the use of dopamine elicited by cold water exposure by one of her patients.

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Nobody has dopamine circuits that allow them to escape this pleasure-pain balance.

the dopamine circuits of the brain have what we call a pleasure-pain balance and there I'm paraphrasing what Dr. Analemke has said and has written about in her beautiful book dopamine nation if you haven't read that book I highly recommend it whether or not you have issues with addiction or you know people that do or you don't it's an incredibly important read especially if you're interested in understanding motivated behaviors and ways to channel your behaviors in life toward healthy motivated behaviors and make sure that you avoid some of the common pitfalls that people fall into not just addiction but things like over use of social media or wasting time in general it's a phenomenal book.

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She's head of the addiction dual diagnosis clinic at Stanford has a amazing book dopamine nation finding balance in the age of indulgence if you haven't read the book i highly encourage you to check it out it's fantastic

In Dr. Lemke's book and when she was on the Hibberman Lab podcast another podcast she's talked about this pleasure pain and balance that when we seek something that we really like or we indulge in it like eating a little piece of chocolate if we really like chocolate there's some pleasure but then there's a little bit of pain that exceeds the amount of pleasure and it's subtle and we experience it as wanting more of that thing okay so there's a pleasure pain balance and i'm telling you that the pleasure and the pain are governed by dopamine to some extent

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The book comes out August 24th and is an absolutely fascinating read into addiction and ways to treat various types of addiction.

I've read the book, Cover to Cover, and all I'll tell you is that at the very first chapter and throughout, you are going to be absolutely blown away.

The stories about her patients are extremely engaging.

It brings forward the real struggle of addiction and the incredible, I think it's fair to say heroic battles that people fight in order to get through addictions of various kinds.

All of that is woven through with story, with science and ways that make it very accessible to anyone whether or not you have a science background or not.

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There's a really great psychiatry professor at Stanford Medical School named Anna Lemke, who has a big new book out about dopamine.

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And this is where a PhD like Dr. Annelemki who specializes in understanding the dopamine addiction, right? She has a fantastic book called Dopamine Nation.

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She is the author of dopamine nation: finding balance in the age of indulgence and drug dealer MD

She describes the time that we're living in now as the age of indulgence and I've never heard this time be characterized better it really is this age of indulgence where everything is at our fingertips in a way and that face value. It seems like an incredible amazing thing but there are a lot of scary downsides

Hearing those words reading those words for me just it was like the final piece in the puzzle sort of describing this unusual time that I used to say like oh, this is just the way that it is when I was a kid

What makes today so indulgent? Well, I mean if we go back to this ancient wiring where we release dopamine after we've done a whole heck of a lot of work to get things that are essential for our survival

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So my colleague at Stanford, Dr. Anna Lemke, who runs our dual diagnosis addiction clinic and wrote the wonderful book Dopamine Nation, described this best.

That trough is a state that can last a long time. And it's how long it's proportional to how high that peak in dopamine was. Not how long, but how high that peak in dopamine was. And when you're in that trough, that dopamine depleted state, typically what people do is they try and go out. Or access things that are going to reactivate the dopamine circuitry. And all it does is drive them further and further and longer and longer into that trough.

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I want you to check out a book. It's called Dopamine Nation by Anna Lemke, L-E-M-B-K-E. She's the director of addiction studies at Stanford Medical School.

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This does actually make sense because I think we have this idea that ... This is an unfortunate bit of data I read in I think the Molecule of More or Dopamine Nation by Anna Lemke.

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Did you read Dopamine Nation by Anolemki? Oh, God. It was good. I think you would really like it.

I read Dopamine Nation and thought it was really good. It gave a lot of insight into dopamine's role.

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Did you read Dopamine Nation by chance? It sounds like you really have knowledge of that.

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The Dothraki language is a fictional language in George R.R. Martin's fantasy novel series A Song of Ice and Fire and its television adaptation Game of Thrones.

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Game of Thrones is coming back. What? I thought they all died.

The prequel season like two or three. House of Dragon. Yeah, it's coming back. House of Dragons awesome. And it's so much simpler than Game of Thrones. It's like a couple lines, a couple storylines and you're good to go.

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Maybe I'm wrong. But I mean look what happens in when there's just a you know when there's I was gonna say like look what happens in like a Katrina type environment when people don't have what they need You know things escalate pretty quick. It's not a level of let's be peaceful and figure this out Things escalate pretty quick, you know, but who but but I love this thought though. It's it's so true That's the other side of the coin. It's like is this our country? Not really, you know, we were just born here how do we manage that and it's an it's an it's an it's a that's an effective thought that I wish That I'd like to think about more because I feel like it's it's a good for me to think about that so Trevor, I appreciate you calling in and bringing that to to my Just to my brain man bring into the forefront of my brain a little bit more from Trevor.

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And I think probably George R. R. Martin is struggling to give it an ending that it deserves.

I'd love to go back and read the books.

If George R. R. Martin finishes the books, I'm going to read the books.

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I guess that was...

I do enjoy that because of the gears and everything.

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I guess that was... I do enjoy that because of the gears and everything.

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And that is a mission critical concern, because as little finger said in song of ice and fire game of Thrones chaos is a ladder.

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When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar. You're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.

I believe that's what they're referencing.

I believe it was a quote from the book that George R. R. Martin wrote.

A clash of kings.

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When you tear out a man's tongue you are not proving him a liar you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.

I believe that's what they're referencing. I mean it was a game of thrones show where we heard that but it was I believe a quote from the book that George R. R. Martin wrote.

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Bohemia is more of a Game of Thrones book, and Trinny Vale is more of like a 13 episode anime, I guess is the way to put it.

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I do like this picture we're painting though of assimilation to some extent a ton of innovation that's happening here but because of that assimilation there are these disparate groups. Eventually there's a civil war and some outside group comes in and wipes them out and where we're left history is left to pick up the pieces to figure out what the heck happened and who they actually were and we're still in the dark but then these freaking stones man.

I think so. We always talk about how the Song of Ice and Fire and all those George R. R. Martin books are heavily influenced and inspired by actual historical struggles and political maneuvers and all of that stuff.

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I didn't want to wait for the second season so I got the book and I ended up reading all five books.

and that, I don't even know if it's five books in my life. I didn't even know that did that good?

oh, that was fucking great. I loved it so much, I did it on my iPad.

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By the way, every time you say winter is coming, I think of Game of Thrones.

I've never watched it. It looks too like combination scary, sci-fi, noisy, time consuming, cold.

So how can you be this alleged goal-oriented person who's always thinking about accomplishment and achievement for the sake of helping the kids, but you're also spending hours and hours and hours watching Game of Thrones?

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A decade later, when he embarked on a fantasy novel called A Game of Thrones, his visit to Hadrian's wall was to prove a particularly vivid influence - a war, as he would later describe it, defending civilisation against unknown threats beyond.

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I am, and I'm proud to say that I was an early adopter because I read the early books before the TV show started.

Yeah, I got the first book, devoured it pretty much in a day, and I thought they were really great and the book was brilliant.

I've got to say that it was one of the great reading experiences of my life.

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Game of Thrones book.

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It was a great book. I loved it. But then I got to the end, and I was ready for a new book. It had a sad ending. It was kind of like Game of Thrones. Got to the very end, I was like, yeah, God, I was loving you. But this is - That's a great example. It's like Game of Thrones. You're like, man, season two was awesome. Those first seasons were incredible. They were amazing. But you know what? They could have stuck the ending a little bit.

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You know, I did read that book as we all remember. Big old book.

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our driveway would get like a Game of Thrones level ice wall. You know, six to eight feet high. Okay. It's not Game of Thrones level exactly. But six to eight feet of ice is pretty tough.

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So Game of Thrones, Normal People, The Hunger Games, Hamnet, all manner of exciting stories.

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And then also some more modern stuff. So Game of Thrones, Normal People, The Hunger Games, Hamnet, all manner of exciting stories.

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Right now, I am reading the graphic novel of The Diary of Anne Frank. These letters and diaries of people recounting their experiences during these times of war, I think it is so important for us to read and know these things.

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I have applied what I call the Anne Frank rule, which is that if you start to bring up or reference Anne Frank in anything other than, for example, the diary of Anne Frank. Stop it. Stop it. Don't do that. Like let her be. She wrote her book. Talk about the book.

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it's because of like, you know a couple of scenes that involve her sexual fantasies and ruminations That you know are in this, you know, really long Uh book that is, you know about so much else and so that becomes A lightning rod

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I've been listening to the diary of van frank on audiobook

Uh, at this point, I'm a little confused about what her diary is actually about.

Every time she starts a new chapter, I can't help but wonder when the Blair witch is going to show up.

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I've been listening to the diary of Anne Frank on audiobook.

At this point, I'm a little confused about what her diary is actually about.

Every time she starts a new chapter, I can't help but wonder when the Blair Witch is going to show up.

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I've been listening to the diary of Anne Frank on audio book.

At this point, I'm a little confused about what her diary is actually about.

Every time she starts a new chapter, I can't help but wonder when the Blair Witch is going to show up.

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Diary Anne Frank hasn't gotten approved by DeSantis yet.

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Among the books being tossed in the fire were Anne Frank's A Diary of a Young Girl.

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Among the books being tossed in the fire were Anne Frank's A Diary of a Young Girl.

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Among the books being tossed in the fire were Anne Frank's 'The Diary of a Young Girl'.

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And so we arrived so stoned at the end house and we were like shaking like it's too emotional to go We're like, 'okay, it makes me so anxious.' Like you can't go you can't be so high and then go to the Anne Frank house You're gonna die.

Oh my god, you're gonna have the best speaking of writing and Frank. I mean Amazing authoress amazing author.

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included in that list was the Bible all versions and and Frank's diary. Not the book though, a graphic novel adaptation,

which is interesting because it makes me think this is a very imprecise kind of methodology that goes into this because there were there was controversy around and Frank's diary in the past not because of what it said about you know the Nazis and then because of violence or whatever, specifically because in a certain version of the book, and Frank talks about getting her period. And there were certain people that thought that was inappropriate for kids of a certain age to hear about you know a young woman getting her period.

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Not the book though, a graphic novel adaptation, which is interesting because it makes me think this is a very imprecise kind of methodology that goes into this because there were there was controversy around and Frank's diary in the past not because of what it said about you know the Nazis and then because of violence or whatever, specifically because in a certain version of the book, and Frank talks about getting her period.

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included in that list was the Bible all versions and and Frank's diary.

Not the book though, a graphic novel adaptation, which is interesting because it makes me think this is a very imprecise kind of methodology that goes into this because there were there was controversy around and Frank's diary in the past not because of what it said about you know the Nazis and then because of violence or whatever, specifically because in a certain version of the book, and Frank talks about getting her period.

Like okay let's walk through the structural reasoning the idea there will be very quick about this obviously the idea there is hey I have no problem with children learning firsthand about the dangers of genocide but I don't want for some reason I don't want say the authorities for people to know about the idea of administration despite the fact that roughly half of the reading audience is going to have first hand knowledge about that experience if not while they're reading very soon what do you do as authority you treat that as Santa Claus it just feels very insincere

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the book says diary the diary the diary and i assume it's spelled dia like the holy dia yeah yeah di a di a r y

the diary

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I remember picking up the diary of Anne Frank. I had a sister who was three years older and she was reading it and I think I was probably 10 or 11 and it was very small print paperback but I just remember I could not like focus on the words I could only see the sort of spaces between the words come at me and for the life of me I just couldn't finish a sentence I was very frustrated and I put it down

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you tell a story in your book about your sister reading the diary of Anne Frank and being devastated by that

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Have you ever been so socially deprived that when you read Anne Frank you low key fall in love with her?

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But there was an Anne Frank like a magazine, like an issue dedicated to Anne Frank who is a character in Stillness is the key, who I read a lot about as I was writing the book and someone who's profoundly brave and wise beyond their years person.

Why is there this magazine to her? I mean she'd be like in her, she and Martin Luther King were born almost the same year so she'd be quite old but still alive today. Quite reasonably potentially. She very well could be alive today but she's not, she's been dead for a very long time and why has she had the impact that she's had? It's not because she was a victim. That was a thing that happened to her but what she affected, who she was, what she did was all in the pages of this little journal and I tell that story in Stillness is the key which this episode is excerpting so you can listen to that and it's actually a really moving biography of Anne Frank that we carry in the painting porch all into that in today's show notes

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she says paper is more patient than people instead of vomiting your thoughts on your employees on your friends on your co-workers on the driver in front of you who's taking forever um put it on the page the page is forgiving and patient it keeps secrets doesn't care doesn't care if you're contradicting yourself it doesn't care if you're being uh a baby it doesn't care if you're whining just put it down on the page the page will help

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What is more important to you? Making sure you save some of those surprises for your book or the future of your country?

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Through her personal diary, a young teenager chronicled one of the darkest chapters in human history. Here is the story of Anne Frank.

For the next two years, Anne Frank kept a detailed record of their daily lives.

His daughter's diary was discovered shortly after the liberation of Amsterdam.

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When I read, you know, the diaries of Anne Frank, you know, ...

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I think that it's one metric. I don't think it's the metric. And I'm always careful about better metric, right? Because I think if you if you've read Isabel Wilkerson's incredible book cast or seen the movie Origin, there is a, there's a cast system that we don't talk about, but that is present in our society.

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But there wasn't a big idea in the science of learning, at least not one that I could find, that had that sort of transformative power like that kind of, oh wow, this idea makes the whole world look different.

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I read cast by Isabel Wilkerson.

The cast system in America.

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What you just were talking about reminded me of something, you know, kind of a searing anecdote in the book cast by Isabella Wilkerson.

And one of the stories she tells, and it's, you know, it's shocking, I think, to many, many ears. She showed up somewhere to do an interview, I think with a proprietor of a business who refused to believe-- this is some years ago-- who refused to believe that this Black woman could actually be a reporter for the New York Times.

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I read every page from beginning to end over the weekend, and it had a lot of praise that preceded it. But I found it to be an enormously important work.

Can't put it down.

For me, it was a combination of not just the ideas that you have in the book and the analysis in the book, but also how you string it all together with stories and metaphors.

So it's a magnificent achievement, and I congratulate you.

Many people might rightly say I had nothing to do with how all this started. I have nothing to do with the sins of the past. My ancestors never attacked indigenous people, never owned slaves. And yes, not one of us was here when this house was built.

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I've said a number of times here and elsewhere that a book that really made me think deeply about a lot of things and I think is important, I tweeted about it after the election, and I think we want to understand better where the country is, why it is where it is, why some people are so disaffected, and what the structure of inequality comes from in this country. You have to read Isabel Wilkerson's cast.

If you haven't listened to that episode, I would go back and listen to it and then read the book or vice versa. But it's an eye-opening, I know people like to say eye-opening a lot, but it was truly eye-opening.

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You have to read Isabel Wilkerson's Cast.

If you haven't listened to that episode, I would go back and listen to it and then read the book or vice versa. But it's an eye-opening, I know people like to say eye-opening a lot, but it was truly eye-opening.

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But I think the best answer to your question, or at least one of the best answers to your question, came in an earlier podcast episode when I interviewed Isabel Wilkerson on her book Cast the Origins of Our Discontents.

There's obviously a lot more there in the lengthy book by Isabel Wilkerson, but in a nutshell, that's her response.

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It's called 'Caste: The Origins of Our Discontents'. And let me just can I add my small voice to all the waves of praise that you've gotten for the book? I read every page from beginning to end over the weekend and it had a lot of praise that preceded it. But I found it to be an enormously important work. Can't put it down for me.

It was a combination of not just the ideas that you have in the book and the analysis in the book, but also how you string it all together with stories and metaphors. And so I also could not put it down. So it's a magnificent achievement.

Author Isabel Wilkerson's new book 'Caste: The Origins of our Discontents' is a riveting reframing of how power operates in our society. It's been sparking conversations all over the country and for good reason.

It's a powerful and profoundly timely meditation on the way that hierarchies form across societies from the United States to India to Nazi Germany.

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I think all the time about this part in Isabelle Wilkerson's cast where she talks about how experts in cast can identify what cast a person's from by just the way they walk into a room, regardless of what they're wearing, what they're whatever.

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And she recently wrapped production on Origin, a film based on Isabel Wilkerson's bestselling book, Cast.

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Ava's recently signed on to do a film adaptation of Isabel Wilkerson's bestselling book Cast...

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This latest movie that you did, Origin, it was based on this book, Caste.

Well, Caste, I want to differentiate it from cast, meaning most people thinking cast of a show or something.

And that's how it's pronounced. But it's talking about this levels in society, you know, and it it was this book that really talked about how calling a situation racist is really kind of almost oversimplifying it because we all have different ways of marginalizing people.

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Wilkerson's book is about invisible systems that rank humanity into arbitrary hierarchies. She connects the violent racism of the Jim Crow South to anti-Semitism in Nazi Germany and to India's caste system, which cruelly relegates the Dalit people as untouchables.

Cast was a number one New York Times bestseller in 2020, though it languished on DuVernay's nightstand until Oprah, yes, that Oprah, finally convinced her just to get into it.

It's one of the ways in which Isabel Wilkerson actually explained it to me. Personally, and I remembered hearing the word and thinking, oh, that helps me organize it in my mind in a certain way.

One of the things that Isabel Wilkerson does so beautifully in her work, whether it's The Walk of the Mother's Sons, whether in her writing as a journalist or in caste, is she is able to explain these large, you know, complex issues in a thousand different ways, and one of them you're going to get.

This is the metaphor that Wilkerson uses in a book. And as you say in the film, any more deterioration is on our watch.

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If you've ever read the book Cast, great book by Isabelle Wilkerson, read it a few years ago. It's based off this book.

When I when I when I heard that they were doing a movie based off this book, I was like, how are they going to make a movie based off Cast? Like if it's not a documentary because the book is just full of facts and research.

But she did it through the lens of Isabelle Wilkerson getting the idea to write the book Cast in the process of her writing the book.

And like you said, it's it's based off, I guess, different things that happened in the past, what, six, seven years? No. What's your research? No. What was it? The book is what, Cast? Yeah. What is the research on?

It is based off the system that we live in and how how the system of race was developed in the country, in America.

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If you've ever read the book Cast, great book by Isabelle Wilkerson, read it a few years ago. It's based off this book.

When I when I when I heard that they were doing a movie based off this book, I was like, how are they going to make a movie based off Cast? Like if it's not a documentary because the book is just full of facts and research.

It is based off the system that we live in and how how the system of race was developed in the country, in America.

The great thing about her writing, and I recommend anybody to actually read the book, cast is that she's, and you know this, her writing is so transparent and there's blood in her words.

So I looked at the book cast when I was reading it, when I got the part as a memoir of Ms. Wilkerson. So I just use that as my source material.

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Fantastic movie. And I didn't realize... I didn't know how she was going to turn it into an actual movie.

She did a great, great job. When I tell you Ava DuVernay don't never waste her art.

She doesn't do it for fun. She doesn't do it for a check. Everything means something with Ava DuVernay which is pretty dope.

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It's based off the book "Cast", which I read by Isabel Wilkerson.

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been reading Isabel Wilkerson's new book Cast

This is the hot new book pushed by Oprah Winfrey that suggests that America is basically like the Indian cast system

the narrative drawn that America is just like Nazi Germany or like the cast system in India is so patently absurd on its face

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So for Oprah Winfrey she's now pushing this new book called Caste. This is written by the same person who suggested that there have been only three durable caste systems in world history, Nazi Germany, the United States and India which is patently crazy.

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My book, Blink, which was misinterpreted as a book celebrating gut instincts, when in fact it was the opposite, was about this.

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Malcolm's own misadventure trying to adapt his bestselling book, Blink.

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I wrote a book called... My second book, Blink, was a book that looked critically at... When I say critically, it examined both the pros and cons of snap judgments. But you had to keep reading. It started out on the pros. And then as I dug deeper, got interested in the cons.

The number of people who either supported or loved that book or hated that book because they perceived it as being a book about celebrating snap judgments was limitless.

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He's written five New York Times Best-Selling books including "The Tipping Point", "Blink", "Outliers", and more.

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Malcolm Gladwell's Blink, right?

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I saw a kid I saw a beach tag kid reading Gladwell's book blink and I almost stopped and was like throw that shit on the beach now

But they were just as a girl just reading blink And I almost like went up to her like yo she kicks in and her face that dude that guy that guy

Totally lost the bear. I don't know if you saw the monk debates a mat to be being fucking It Douglas Murray, but he fucking lost look like an asshole throw that book in the trash

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Malcolm Gladwell blink judgment is this is a 59 year old black woman going up against the oldest presidential nominee in history. And the nature of it is different, is fresh, you know, and so making her carry the baggage, I think is tougher than if it was, you know, Biden, Tim Kaine or whatever, you know, it's hard to get matches.

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No, but I read about thin slicing in one of Malcolm Gladwell's books, Blink.

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And Malcolm Gladwell writes a little bit about this in Blink too right where there's something going on you see it, you can't articulate it.

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And Malcolm Gladwell writes a little bit about this in Blink too right where there's something going on you see it, you can't articulate it.

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Did a chapter on that in my book Blink in 2004.

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right after publishing my second book Blink, I realized I was spending all my time answering emails and booking travel instead of writing.

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One of your most talked about books was titled Blink.

I read about this in Blink.

You talk about in your book and Blink, someone who claimed they could tell you within a few minutes tell a married couple whether they would be divorced within 15 years.

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So Malcolm, one of your most talked about books was titled Blink.

I read about this in Blink.

You talk about in your book and Blink, someone who claimed they could tell you within a few minutes tell a married couple whether they would be divorced within 15 years.

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he wrote outliers and Blink and David and Goliath and he's...

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I remember I first read The Tipping Point, that I read Blink, then Outliers, most recently his book, then David and Goliath, which is also very good.

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you know that Malcolm Gladwell book um blink about the wisdom of the subconscious and at the decisions we make in a blink of an eye etc etc are sometimes the smart one

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No, but I read about thin slicing in one of Malcolm Gladwell's books, Blink.

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Malcolm, if you want to revisit another book, I'll put Blink aside because Blink is one of my favorites.

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I wrote my second book, Blink, and I have in that book a chapter about a very famous, infamous police shooting in New York case of Amadur D'Alo. It was organized around the Sandra Blanc case. The whole thing unfolded over a minute and a half, and I noted that the entire incident took only two seconds.

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My guest today is a New York Times bestselling author of books such as Outliers, The Tipping Point, and Blink.

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Malcolm Gladwell says in blink, when someone walks in a room, within four seconds, you feel their energy.

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I also saw that you're a big fan of Malcolm Gladwell. The one book, Blink, in particular was really good because I'm kind of a blink person. It seems to me I can make quick decisions. Are they always right? No, but they are more nearly right because I trust my own personal judgment.

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There was a book called the blink. I believe where he talks about, they had these kids in a classroom.

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I can't sit here and listen to Malcolm Gladwell talking about fact checking and the importance of it. Not to get too mean, Malcolm. I read your book, David and Goliath.

The chapter on Northern Ireland is more filled with inaccuracies than any other chapter in a nonfiction book I have read. It is.

Having written a not very well selling but widely acclaimed book on Northern Ireland myself, my book on Northern Ireland didn't sell anywhere near as much as yours did, Malcolm. But mine was filled with facts.

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Malcolm Gladwell's book, David and Goliath, has some interesting things to say about this fight.

Goliath wasn't quite as fearsome as he seemed. He was at least 6ft9, but humans aren't built to be that big.

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Malcolm Gladwell's book, David and Goliath, has some interesting things to say about this fight.

Goliath wasn't quite as fearsome as he seemed. He was at least 6ft9, but humans aren't built to be that big. One plausible explanation is that Goliath was suffering from a medical condition which causes the production of too much growth hormone.

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The most recent is David and Goliath.

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The most recent is David and Goliath.

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Matt Stoller has made this on his sub stack Goliath which is uh or it's called big I'm sorry the book is Goliath about bob iger a lot which is that he basically under iger he was he was the ceo of disney for a long time transformed disney into like a a hedge fund with an entertainment or with theme parks um because what they did was just buy up all of this other stuff and there was so much consolidation under iger

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And I've done two books on Israel, Palestine, Goliath and the 51 Day War where I covered the war in Gaza in 2014, which lasted for 51 days.

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fact this should have been a chapter of my last book david and galaeth because this is exactly a disadvantage that turns into an advantage

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When you came out with 'David and Goliath', I remember talking and I was thinking that you wrote this book about underdogs because you love to root for the underdog. And you said no.

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he wrote outliers and Blink and David and Goliath and he's...

David and Goliath is super interesting too when literally he talks about David and Goliath and how really David was the favorite not Goliath.

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I remember I first read The Tipping Point, that I read Blink, then Outliers, most recently his book, then David and Goliath, which is also very good.

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In one book, David and Goliath, he talks about how dyslexia can actually make people more successful because in the absence of one ability, like reading, people can develop other abilities like creative problem-solving, acting, listening, rule-bending, etc.

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My book, David and Goliath is a kind of antidote to Outliers.

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Salman Rushdie Sentenced to death by the Iranian Ayatollahs in 1989 for the sin of writing a novel

He lived under the shadow of a fatwa until two years ago On a stage like this one, he was viciously stabbed But he survived And undaunted this week, of course he published a book about it

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The Satanic Verses, considered blasphemous by some Muslims.

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The perceived sin was blasphemy. That he had insulted the Prophet Muhammad. That he had written things about the origin story of Islam.

And so for the next 10 years, Rushdie lived like a fugitive in England and then came to America and lived much more freely in the past 20 years.

if we are in a situation where a novel like that, of that kind of daring, is not getting published, then that's a very, very sad state of affairs.

Yeah, Hanif Qureshi, who unfortunately is now in a hospital bed having suffered a terrible fall. And he's tweeting about it, live tweeting about it. We talked about him on the podcast a few weeks ago. You know, and terrific person and himself ran into trouble early in his career with a film called My Beautiful Landerette, but nothing like Salman's situation. Yeah, Qureshi said that it's hard to imagine that anybody would write that novel or publish it.

And it's enormous. It sounds crazy in the light of our conversation, but it's enormous fun. It's a kind of fantastical telling of the creation of a South Indian empire in medieval times.

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No, I think he wrote the book. Satanic versus.

He was on the fucking list to begin with. Iran. The state of Iran put out a fatwa on him.

He wrote the satanic verses like a decade ago.

They got a ton of people associated with the book. They were killing like Purdue, like publisher. They killed.

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Salman Rushdie is kind of a famous figure because all the way back in the 1970s and 80s he wrote a book called The Satanic Verses.

Now in the Satanic Verses there were provocative passages written it's like a fictionalized work about Islam, the prophet Muhammad and more.

an actual fatwa was issued against his life by the ayatollah of Iran, Ayatollah Khomeini.

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That wasn't his sin, depicting an image of the Prophet Muhammad, but he wrote that book that obviously has been deemed deeply problematic.

And there was a fatwa issued on him and he was just attacked.

He's blind in one eye, he has three serious wounds in his neck, one hand is incapacitated because the nerves in his arm were cut, and had about 15 more wounds in his chest and torso.

He was attacked by a man who rushed the stage and stabbed him repeatedly, identified as 24 year old Hadi Matar, a Faribault, New Jersey, who's now pleaded not guilty to second degree attempted murder.

Salman Rushdie hasn't been dealing with this since 1989.

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And, you know, I was living in Sweden for a while where this became an actual issue of debate. There was a far right newspaper in Sweden was associated with the far right party. Legitimate far right people. I mean, they were not people that I enjoyed, but they published the cartoons that the Danish newspaper had initially published in, I think, 2005 or six. And the government intervened and I think shut down their server or took it offline basically.

And, you know, I was living in Sweden for a while where this became an actual issue of debate. There was a far right newspaper in Sweden was associated with the far right party. Legitimate far right people. I mean, they were not people that I enjoyed, but they published the cartoons that the Danish newspaper had initially published in, I think, 2005 or six. And the government intervened and I think shut down their server or took it offline basically. And I said, you know, this is kind of crazy. And in Denmark at the same time, they were reanimating a blasphemy law, a blasphemy law in Denmark because of the power of particular lobbyist saying this stuff shouldn't happen. And so when it happened to the US in a way that I found really disconcerting, which was initially a woman named Molly Norris, who has disappeared from the face of the earth. That's right. Disappeared. Her crime, she disappeared. I believe she changed her name and there was it. She was doing kind of cartooning or something. She's an alt weekly cartoonist. For Seattle Stranger. So Pacific Northwest. And she does in everyone draw Muhammad thing. This is actually where the real Genesis came from. And she did this kind of wry, silly thing. And this was woman's not political at all. And is a picture of a teacup. And teacup says, I'm Muhammad. And it's like an I am Spartacus thing with like everyday household items saying I'm Muhammad.

And if you think of the Salman Rushdie thing, someone survives. And I know someone reasonably well. And I've talked to him about it a number of times.

And it was a difficult thing in his life. But it was even more difficult for people tangentially involved. His Norwegian translator, Rashad, his Japanese translator, I believe was shot or stabbed. One of them died. So, I mean, this was their, you know, the Danish cartoons were published in thousands of people died because there were embassies burned all across the world. And it was and I took a step back and I was like, these are cartoons.

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He did a public reading of the Satanic Verses with various other artists at the time that Salman Rushdie had the fatwa put on him, and he would do a lot of things like that.

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He's a celebrated author of 12 novels, including Midnight's Children, The Satanic Verses.

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The author has lived under constant threat of violence for over three decades after he published his novel, The Satanic Verses.

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When the Supreme Leader of Iran issued a fatwa ordering his assassination, that was the reaction to his 1988 book, The Satanic Verses.

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When the Supreme Leader of Iran issued a fatwa ordering his assassination, that was the reaction to his 1988 book, The Santanic Verses.

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Apparently, over the course of the last few days in case you missed it, Salman Rushdie is a famous author of the Satanic Verses.

Salman Rushdie has had a fatwa on his head for decades based on his book The Satanic Verses which talks about verses supposedly excised from the Quran.

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And I sat down and wrote the final draft of the Satanic Verses.

And I discovered that not only landmines could make a big bang, sometimes books could make them too.

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He wrote that book where they put a jihad on his life... he wrote the Satanic Verses and then he went into hiding for like 20 years.

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Salman Rushdie was an author who wrote a book that wasn't even specifically about Islam.

Satanic verses?

That's it.

Satanic verses.

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I felt I always knew who Salman Rushdie is... the author of this eerie sounding novel called The Satanic Verses.

And then came the Satanic Verses and it changed everything.

It was nominated for the Book of Priors, so it did pretty well.

After the Satanic Verses, for a long time nobody wrote about me as a funny writer; they saw me as dark and obscurely theological.

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Long before I read literary fiction, he just sat in my consciousness as the author of this eeriesounding novel called The Satanic Verses, a novel so somehow dangerous he had to go into hiding after the Supreme Leader of Iran said he and anyone involved in it should be killed for blaspheming Islam.

And then came the satanic verses and it changed everything.

"

It was 33 years after Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini called for Rushdie's death as punishment for writing the novel The Satanic Verses.

To the Ayatollah, it was a righteous way to punish Rushdie for having written the 1988 novel The Satanic Verses, which to the Ayatollah was blasphemous in its treatment of Islam and the Prophet Muhammad.

It had been 33 and a half years since the Atilla Ruhala Khomeini's notorious death order against me and all those involved in the publication of the satanic verses.

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To the Ayatollah it was a righteous way to punish Rushdie for having written the 1988 novel The Satanic Verses which to the Ayatollah was blasphemous in its treatment of Islam and the Prophet Muhammad.

It had been 33 and a half years since the Aytelaruhu-la-Chomeini's notorious death order against me and all those involved in the publication of the Satanic verses.

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over 30 years after death threats over his novel, The Satanic Verses.

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Fahrenheit 451 like Tom Sawyer like just like do you ever ask someone their favorite book and they're like Huckleberry Finn and you're like yeah like you did not read. You did not read that.

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Fahrenheit 451 like Tom Sawyer like just like do you ever ask someone their favorite book and they're like Huckleberry Finn and you're like yeah like you did not read.

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Over the course of 1874 and 1875, Twain wrote his first solo novel, The Adventures of Tom Sawyer.

Drawing from Twain's own childhood, Tom Sawyer followed the antics of a mischievous boy loosely based on Twain himself, growing up near the Mississippi River.

Tom's friend Huckleberry Finn was based on a childhood friend of Twain's, and Twain called the novel A Hymn to Boyhood.

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I read so much Mark Twain as a kid and I thought, Oh, well I'll do that. That's a cool thing to do.

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The adventures of the Huckleberry Finn, Tom Sawyer, Gerald's game. It's crazy.

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I enjoyed Tom Sawyer a lot. Does that count?

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He was doing Mark Twain, like he was putting together the very first Mark Twain, which he did in North Dakota, Bismarck, North Dakota.

His, Mark Twain was insanely good, but he was just like, oh, I'm gonna just do a bunch of this material, see what's hitting, what's not.

Still amazing and fun to see it. It was really fun to see how his creative process worked, to see how he kind of boiled it down over the years.

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You know you what was that book? One of those Huck Finn Tom Sawyer things they give you whitewash the whole fence will give you an apple and he was excited

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Sitting there reading about Tom Sawyer, you know thinking about I don't know what you know The Queen Mary God knows whatever was said in that fucking book that made me think of something else

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I remember back when you read the Tom Sawyer book, right, Uncle Barry Finn, it's fucking kids painting a fence just to get an apple.

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You know you what was that book? One of those Huck Finn Tom Sawyer things they give you whitewash the whole fence will give you an apple and he was excited

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Sitting there reading about Tom Sawyer, you know thinking about I don't know what you know The Queen Mary God knows whatever was said in that fucking book that made me think of something else

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I remember I got on a boat. I remember that dingy in that kid's pool party and I flipped over and I got trapped underneath

and then my eyes keep going and like six pages go by and I have no fucking idea what I read.

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It's jam--that's what it is. Forty times I've said if you didn't let that jam alone I'd skin you

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I'd be like same with like Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn, you know some of the debates around that because of its You know problematic language and use of racial slurs

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I'd be like same with like Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn, you know some of the debates around that because of its You know problematic language and use of racial slurs It is a work of fiction that is that was written in a specific time around a certain time period so it starts to be A little bit more about like is are we censoring history? Like are we editing history

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Anyone who's, uh, who's had the pleasure, the joy of reading, uh, Huckleberry Finn, Tom Sawyer, uh, and then all Mark Twain's beautifully written accounts, nonfiction accounts of working on the river boats on the Missouri and Mississippi.

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tom soyer huck finn they didn't age very well guys

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I hadn't read Huckleberry Finn or Tom Sawyer, any of that until maybe two months ago. I read both. Amazing.

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I was reading Tom Sawyer and I'm like, I wish it said right here...

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My son especially loves Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer.

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there are also people on the left who were saying that we should not teach Tom Sawyer, Huckleberry Finn in classes because of the language that is in those books.

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where once as a kid, I played Huckleberry Finn in the Adventures of Tom Sawyer.

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He read them all. And that's where I read the Encyclopedia of Anatomy and Health. And that's where I read all my classics, you know, Moby Dick, Tom Sawyer, Huckleberry Finn, Edgar Allan Poe, Oscar Wilde.

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Did Dickens write Tom Sawyer? Or Huck Finn? No, no, no. That was, um, King? Samuel Clemens. Mark Twain. Samuel Clemens. What the hell did Dickens write?

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The last sentence of Hemingway's The Sun Also Rises is, isn't it pretty to think so?

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This book is the sun also rises or whatever. Hemingway.

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One of my buddies told me about a line in a book. I think he said it was a Hemingway book. I didn't read the book, but I like the quote. One character said to the other, 'How did you go bankrupt?' The other character said, 'Two ways. Gradually then suddenly.' How did you get divorced? Two ways. Gradually then suddenly.

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Ernest Hemingway likes to hang out there. Sure. He becomes so close with Eugene that Eugene also becomes the inspiration for a jazz drummer character in the novel The Sun Also Rises.

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It's a great time for Trump to dive into the sun also rises, sort of like be in the place while experiencing what it was like in another time.

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It's a bit of a shame because I was the Ernest Hemingway of 140 characters.

You fucking moron. Hemingway is the Hemingway of 140 characters. He's the pithy one. You could be the Hemingway of writing longer things, but you can't be the Hemingway of 140 characters. You'd be the Hemingway of Twitter. You've never read a fucking Hemingway book. Name one book, Trump.

Name one Hemingway book. Tell me one thing about The Sun Also Rises. Tell me one thing about it. What is it about? One thing about it. Say the word bulls to me, Trump. Say bulls. Do you remember that there are bulls in it? You fucking moron.

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Read between the lines, what lines?

Give me lines to read between, bitch, please thank you.

If I did a word cloud of The Sun Also Rises it would be wine, ambulance, bread, Spain.

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Read between the lines what lines?

Give me lines to read between bitch please thank you.

If I did a word cloud of the sun also rises it would be wine, ambulance, bread, Spain.

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That's from the sun also rises.

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I recently read Hemingway, The Sun Also Rises and I really got a great recommendation for it and it just didn't do it for me, Michelle.

It just feels like he's talking a lot about just kind of partying in Europe or having a lavish life, drinking, social.

It doesn't feel like there's anything of substance there,

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Hemingway. Yeah sun also rises.

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Remember that book I saw online today, Hatchet?

Remember the book Hatchet? Everyone had to read that. It popped back up to me. This book. Every kid in junior high had to read that fucking book.

Gary Paulson, though. I remember the name, Gary Paulson.

It's a honor award winning young adult wilderness survival novel. Gary Paulson. I think he's from Minnesota.

About Brian Roberts' survival following a plane crash. Explores the theme of positive thinking and perseverance. He faces challenges from nature, bears, porcupines, dehydration, and starvation. With only his trusty hatchet to help him.

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You know, I mean, I just read, you know, Sun also rise for having me just again. You know, what a great. Have you read that book?

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Tom O'Shea taught his students to love Hemingway and Wendell and Brooks and also how to deliver a good left hook.

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He had started out as a journalist, a poor starving artist, a man who loved craft, who didn't need much provided he had a few pencils and a notebook and something to write about.

It did not take me long to discover that the somewhat shy and youthful reporter whom I had met in Chicago had vanished, he observed. In his place was a literary celebrity.

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Ernest Hemingway opens his book The Sun also rises with a Bible verse, one generation passeth and another generation cometh but the earth abideth the sun also rises and the sun goes down and resteth to the place where he arose.

It was this passage as fascinating editor Maxwell Perkins who I urge you to read about. Perkins would say that it contained all the wisdom of the ancient world

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We read a lot, and we read good books, including American, Hemingway, Faulkner, Steinbeck, and we learned from this book that there was a free world behind the border of our country, that there are free people out there, and that we live in the closed totalitarian state.

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The Sun Also Rises? Yeah. In high school, yeah. I just finished it. I love it.

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The quote I like is Hemingway's quote from The Sun Also Rises. Now, 100 years ago, one of the characters goes bankrupt and another character says, how does a man go bankrupt? And famously, he says, two ways: gradually then suddenly.

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So the dog's crazy barking is what set the timeline and would he have enough time to do that crime based on the dog barking? Get to his house on Rocky hand, get changes closed, jump over the fence, get into the room, changes clothes and get to the limo, which the limo said he was late.

And basically the books was him saying, if I did it, this is how I would do it.

And it was like this create this like fantasy weird story where he had this friend, OJ had this friend that was with him and people were like, who's the friend? Is it his older child? What is this?

And most people said, I think it's his alter ego.

And also one thing Kim said in the interview with me so many years ago is they went on Oprah, uh, she and her dad and talked about all of this. And it was like that night or the next day that OJ went and broke into the hotel room and held the guy hostage to get his memorabilia back.

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This is kind of like OJ Simpson writing his book, If I Did It.

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OJ Simpson, If I Did It by Sareeti Butler.

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I once listened to If I Did It by OJ Simpson. I don't know if anybody else has had the pleasure.

But the audio book begins with an hour preface from Ron Goldman's sister because they took the rights of the book after the civil trial when they won the civil trial because he declared bankruptcy and there was no money to be had.

And so like it's an hour of her crying not only over her dead brother but over the fact that people now like berate them on the street accusing them of trying to capitalize off of their dead sibling's name.

And so like that's the level of money I feel like these Sandy Hook families are going to get is just like cartoonish.

And so they got a black dude, an older black gentleman to do OJ voice. And it is the funniest choice they could have made despite because it is an hour of the sister crying.

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That's why that book's coming out by cancer called "If I Did It".

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OJ's own entrepreneurial ventures continue to raise eyebrows, especially writing a book titled If I Did It.

Why in the world if you are acquitted of a murder, would you write a book, the title of which?

If I had done it, here's the way I would have done it.

That makes absolutely no sense.

Ultimately we were awarded the rights to the book.

By the court.

So our choice was to publish it ourselves.

It read more like a confession than a pretend book.

He put himself at the scene. He put himself covered in blood.

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And what was interesting about Faye Resnick's book, and I've said this after 20 years later, when you read it, there was another documentary that ESPN did, 30 for 30, that was truly, if you go back to Faye Resnick's book, everything she fucking said was true.

I remember being at like Barnes and Noble and picking it up and like didn't buy it, so don't worry, I didn't buy it, but I did look through it, and I was going, this is so weird, who writes this book?

The premise of the book was it was from OJ saying I didn't do it, but if I did it, this is this fantasy of a story that may have happened.

He was the most bizarre thing with a knife in his hand covered in blood, so I'm confused.

And then he realized what he was dealing with, and so but we ended up, was he just, was that like, so was that just terrifying for him to be like in a hotel room with him or wherever they met so that he could like get the story down like yeah.

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But somebody goes a cancer just released a book called if I had done it.

The OJ Simpson story.

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they won the rights to Simpson's book that he had written and that he said he had nothing to do with.

It was as close as you can get to a confession without being a confession and he says well that was a ghost ride or I had nothing to do with it and they retitled the book, I did it, Confessions of a Killer.

Yeah if I did it I think was you know but he you know it basically laid out how he did it.

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OJ Simpson, shortly after I joined Fox News in 2004, OJ Simpson through HarperCollins, which the Murdoch's also owned...wrote a book with Judith Regan on sort of an offshoot of HarperCollins. And it was called 'If I Did It'.

And it was basically his confession. And it talked about how he did it. If he did it, this is how.

He called Nicole the enemy. He talked about his outreach against her when she would flirt openly with other men in front of their children.

Down to meal with Cato Kaelin, dressed in a dark sweatsuit. He sped over Nicole's condo in Brentwood. He parked in the alley, put on a knit wool cap and gloves, grabbed the knife that he keeps in his Bronco.

According to Simpson, his intent at this point was to scare her, not kill her. Encounters Ron Goldman, sees him arriving at the condo. Simpson goes on to report that he accused Goldman of planning to sleep with Nicole.

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He did the OJ. It's a great book he wrote about OJ.

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He got away with murder. Yes. I understand that. Went on to even write a book called if I did it, didn't read the book.

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It's kind of like OJ's book, if I had done it and that's his defense.

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What's the gift that you were given? I did it it's OJ's book.

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Before his death, Simpson paid just $133,000 on the $33.5 million he owed the families of Ron and Nicole. While Simpson was forced to auction his Heisman Trophy for about $250,000 and turn over the rights to video game royalties and the unpublished book, If I Did It, the former Hall of Famer skirted payments by moving out to Nevada and Florida.

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She was a Scientologist and she sold me a book, Jones told the newspaper, Dianetics.

It just made such sense to me Brent Jones told the Review Journal when I started to apply these guidelines, these rules we call it the technology when you apply it to your life things just start working better for you.

They told me they had what I needed, Raul recalled to the New Times LA that if I followed the program I could be cured of the trimmer and I could be my old self again which is all I ever wanted.

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If you're depressed Trudeau recommends you read Dianetics by L. Ron Hubbard and become a Scientologist.

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And he's like, God damn, this guy's a fucking hack. He's a horrible writer.

And by the way, his stuff, this Dianetic stuff and all this stuff, I mean, it's fantastic bullshit.

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Dianetics book one.

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Dianetics.

Have you heard of this book?

Yes, I heard if you're really good at it they put you on a boat, an org.

It's an org.

You get to be a part of an org, a sea org.

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He like Alron Hubber wrote a book, Dianetics.

It's a great technology.

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In part one we talked about Hubbard's childhood, his incessant decades of lying that time he accidentally bombed metal in the ocean 100 times and then the birth of Dianetics.

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In April of 1950, Campbell teased that, coming in June, a 16,000-word article on Dianetics would be in the magazine, titled Dianetics, An Introduction to a New Science.

In May of 1950 dianetics the modern science of mental health reached bookstores across the nation.

A large proportion of allegedly feeble minded children are actually attempted abortion cases.

However many in billions America spends yearly on institutions for the insane and jails for criminals are spent primarily because of attempted abortions done by some sex blocked mother to whom children are accursed, not a blessing of God.

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In April of 1950, Campbell teased that, coming in June, a 16,000-word article on Dianetics would be in the magazine, titled Dianetics, An Introduction to a New Science.

In May of 1950 dianetics the modern science of mental health reached bookstores across the nation.

A large proportion of allegedly feeble minded children are actually attempted abortion cases.

However many in billions America spends yearly on institutions for the insane and jails for criminals are spent primarily because of attempted abortions done by some sex blocked mother to whom children are accursed, not a blessing of God.

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Scientologists don't walk up to people and then say here's the book on Scientology they come to you with Dianetics they ask if you want to take a test yes they say do you want to take a test and ask you questions and they say buy this book called Dianetics if you then go through these steps eventually you'll find yourself more so in Scientology that's what wokeness is

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I bought Dynetics.

He gave me the book

Don't you think you should know what the book says before you criticize it?

The Church of Scientology will get credit cards and these people's name and buy books with it.

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We got Dianetics, we got the books, we got the DVDs.

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You know what I'll take a page from L. Ron Hubbard's book and call it cognitive technology

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I'll take a page from L. Ron Hubbard's book and call it cognitive technology

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I'll take a page from L. Ron Hubbard's book and call it cognitive technology

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Founded by L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology and a science fiction writer who wrote a book called Diagnetics which was supposed to be this psychological self help manual.

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The best way to make real money is to start a religion because people will do anything for religion and the government can't take away your money and your power.

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there is a concept that Hubbard had in his fundamental book Dianetics the Modern Science of Mental Health that you have these incidents that occur that cause you to have negative emotions reactions pains upsets whatever and that by addressing those incidents with a sort of a regression theory of going back to the beginning and the earliest time that you had such a feeling or an incident that you will be able to relieve that.

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And he asked me if I knew anything about dionetics because that I think that's what it says.

And I actually got maybe like 50 pages in and then laughed and then put it down.

So I actually bought dionetics.

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And he asked me if I knew anything about dionetics because that I think that's what it says. Like, or Scientology.

And then he's like, hey, how's it going? He talks to me. And he asked me if I knew anything about dionetics because that I think that's what it says. Like, or Scientology.

And I was like, no. And then there's like, do you know anything about Scientology? And I was like, just what I've seen from the TV. I was like, don't you guys believe like aliens and like volcanoes? And he goes, that's what the cartoon says.

So I actually bought dionetics. Now I'm completely skeptical. I think it was like 20 bucks.

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Do you remember the Dianetics commercials? Do you remember the commercials with the volcano, like the lava was going on and it just gave you like the most generalized things anyone feels. He goes, are you sometimes tired and sometimes awake?

I did that too and I did that in San Diego. I was down there filming something and we were in the park and it was like at a time where a lot of people didn't know who I am and I could sneak in and I sat down at this guy's table and he gave me the e-meter and I put my hands on things and he told me what it was reading. I'm like, how does this thing function, like what is it, what is it reading off? And the dude was like, oh I don't want to explain. He didn't want to really be there. He's just a member who got roped into doing this thing. He had zero enthusiasm about the sale.

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He was a weird-looking dude... He came up with Dianetics. He was trying to selfdiagnose, trying to fix his own brain.

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I read that book "Spare" and it's full of scenes where he complains and moans about how hard things were for him and they were hard you know his mom died and the paparazzi were all over him but it makes him seem more human and flawed and that makes people realize how privileged he is he's no longer this sort of ghostly queen character he's like a real person who sees himself as a victim and is complaining there's a scene in the book when he's at eaton college the world's poshest high school looking out the window and he's telling us the reader how lucky everyone outside that window was compared to him well eaten is a beautiful college in a beautiful place but it's surrounded by low-income areas such as slough and stains that's where those just sound like low-income area those have been low-income areas for centuries but given the name right those are unbeautiful names slough was the chosen location of the british office the original sitcom the office because it sounds so dull and boring that's the whole point it does so that was slough and stains that was ali g sasha baron cohen his first character was ali gene he was from stains so again these were places chosen for that they're right outside eaten people are sometimes struggling by the way i don't want to say that everybody in those places is you know it's difficult for them it's just that they're not the same as eaten so people are sometimes struggling to put food on the table for their families and they're being told by the prince that they're lucky compared to him that's like big let them eat cake vibes hearing something like that

He made this whole thing about his privacy being invaded and then he wrote this book impinging upon the privacy of pretty much everyone he ever encountered in great detail at least when it's the press doing it it's like okay harry can shut the door and ideally they're not going to hack his phones which he's saying they did and they might have done but this is like detail about the person he first had sex with and what was going on like only he could know that and like details about his dad doing like handstands he did these weird headstands or handstands just in his underwear in the house and stuff like that and he's supposed to be this elderly statesman and now we're listening we're reading this in harry's book so the impinging upon freed privacy stuff was just mad come on

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If you read The Spare, which y'all made me read for this program.

We know that it is Harry and Meghan claim that they lie all the time and they release information as it benefits them.

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For example, Prince Harry describes the moment a friend advised him to use Elizabeth Arden cream on his frostbitten penis following a trip to the North Pole.

The same cream his late mother used, which is interesting since I didn't even know she had a penis.

The memoir's title, Spare, is actually short for Spare a Penis, Govna? Mine snapped clean off while I was at the Northie with me lads.

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For example, Prince Harry describes the moment a friend advised him to use Elizabeth Arden cream on his frostbitten penis following a trip to the North Pole.

The memoir's title, Spare, is actually short for Spare a Penis, Govna? Mine snapped clean off while I was at the Northie with me lads.

Who is treated not unlike a young stallion by the older woman who took their virginity?

Harry left as a captain. Wesley left as lieutenant junior grade after much less service than Harry.

Who do you think you're bullying? You bumped into me. It was your mistake. You were at fault. Do you want this to become violent?

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Those last two sold like gangbusters Britney's The Woman in Me is the most recent one to come out and sold 1.1 million copies in its first week on sale in the U.S.

Yeah, we did you say when you said why because they make a lot of money Prince Harry got a 20 million dollar advance for Spare So yeah, even if you're a celebrity you want to you want to make more money

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I think it's pretty much, is what he was saying. The book is like a tease. It's not blackmail against the monarchy, but it's like, 'don't play with me'. This is the warm up.

It showed how well his books can do. It shows people do care what he says.

And it's kind of like they know what he knows and he's not going there.

It looks like, oh, he's breaking up. He's causing all this drama. But they know he's just doing the like, you know, oh, like I have my frozen penis stuff, you know, like stuff like that.

Oh, I think I always go back to like why Harry bounce so fast if he knows like what, you know, because once the blood stuff comes out, it's a wrap, you know, like the adrenochrome level.

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It is the number one most successful nonfiction book that has ever been sold.

He is the only royal in the history of royals who has actually done his own memoir, you know, where someone else was writing it without their consent.

I think we're all sick of hearing about his frostbitten penis. I don't think anyone needed to know that he and his brother were not circumcised.

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Harry's book comes out in January.

I think that's going to set the tone for the next chapter of this whole Megan and Harry thing, because I think it's going to really disrupt the Royals. I think he's going to get a little too, uh, what's the word? Uh, honest.

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After all, he admitted to widespread and extensive drug use in his memoir, Spare, a bestselling book on both sides of the Atlantic selling a huge number of copies.

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My penis was oscillating between extremely sensitive and borderline traumatized.

I've been trying some home remedies, including one recommended by a friend. She urged me to apply Elizabeth Arden cream. My mom used on her lips. You want me to put that on my toddler? It works Harry, trust me.

I found a tube and the minute I opened it, the smell transported me through time. I thought as if my mother was right there in the room. And I took a smidge and applied it down there.

If the case need arise, someone asked why if that were the case, he hadn't been forced to donate his hair to Prince William.

He's come out now and said, I have enough of me for another book easily, that my original manuscript was 800 pages. And this book is only 400 pages. And all of it was stories about my brother, some about my father, but mostly about my brother, the future king of England.

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He's promoting his book Spare, right, which is out this week. Comes hits stands officially tomorrow.

In the book, you call this a full scale rupture. Can it be healed?

But every time we ask that question, no one's telling us the specifics or anything.

This all started with them briefing daily against my wife with lies to the point of where my wife and I had to run away from our country, from my country.

I'm just fed up, fed up with being second all the time.

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We were currently hunched over Prince Harry's memoir in scanning every page for our names.

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Harry says Prince William and his wife Kate Middleton encouraged him to dress up as a Nazi for that one infamous Halloween party in 2005.

He describes how William attacked him in 2019, knocking him over onto a dog food bowl following an argument about Harry's wife Megan.

And he claims that prior to meeting Megan, William and Kate were quote religious fans of her TV show Suits.

he also casually mentions that he killed 25 people in Afghanistan

I'm going to say yes, I'll be purchasing this book. Never read. I don't think it'll be my first celebrity memoir and I am ready. I'm going to rip through that.

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But my interview with Prince Harry I had a gut feeling all along That I shouldn't agree to do the interview

When you read his book You can see why And people couldn't understand How this is possible How could somebody so privileged That the very apex of society In gilded palaces be traumatized

His father touches Harry on the knee And says, but it'll be okay And leaves the room This 12-year-old, nobody held him

Harry was a traumatized child He was told about his mother's death That it was an accident Your mother didn't make it

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He was on my podcast talking about Prince Harry, the book and everything. For someone who worked for Prince Charles, he was very even-handed, which I was surprised at.

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Prince Harry's memoir Spare is now the fastest selling nonfiction book ever. It sold 1.4 million copies on its first day.

A recent poll found that 41% of Britons think that Harry is just doing this for the money.

Love him or hate him, it's doing really well. And it's really reinvigorating book sales.

I've decided to call it Harry Potty.