We Can Do Hard Things

I read Untamed during the pandemic and I didn't know your work before that.

And it felt incredibly aligned to me.

And it felt like everything was meeting with you and with Abby, the balance of your relationship and the humor. I just related to it so much.

I think that I want to tell that story, the not story that's in Untamed.

I just go, oh my, I've never seen her do this before in our life together.

Then 6 a.m. comes around, I'm always the first one up. Abby's rolling out of bed with your book. I said, what are you doing up? She said, I can't stop. I cannot stop.

I'm telling you when I picked this book up, I cried, I laughed, I cringed and I could not put this book down.

And we were talking about this ridiculous situation we find ourselves in parenting where we are still human beings who have needs, but like suddenly no one cares.

And Bernay was talking about this situation where she had just come home from this long business trip.

I'm gonna have to go read the book again I'm gonna go read that again it's you Untamed again because Untamed I mentioned it in my acknowledge section do you think I don't you think I don't know that my friends have sent it my friends who get the arcs of the books I had it's a very exciting happening in my life that you put and him to the acknowledgements and then watch me I sat in my truck like when I still had to be a little bit in hiding and couldn't go inside a basketball game but I could take my kid to a basketball game so I would just sit in the car and I listened to it in the car and then when we had to drive I was like I have to get home so I can start listening again I was so caught up it was so good it was so good

And you wrote about this in Untamed.

I'm like halfway through your boundaries, podcast, the latest one, and you were discussing boundaries for married people.

The writer of Untamed was like anorexic the whole time I wrote it.

I think what I did is what I wish for other people to do, which is that I wrote the truest, most beautiful self I could imagine.

And the refrain of Untamed is you're not crazy. You're a goddamn cheetah.

It's the same person who would say she wrote Love Warrior and then left her husband.

And you go through the Untamed process and you're peeling back and you take that brave next step and the next step appears and you either tell yourself, oh, I'm not going to take that because then that will give someone ammunition against me.

She picked up a copy of Untamed. I had it before all this stuff went down and I read it and I got lost in it.

This deserves all the praise that it gets. And I was just so proud of your relentless honesty that it did a lot for me and it gave me sort of the fortitude to sort of get through the worst of times.

I wrote this book called Untamed and the... Yes, I know it well.

the kind of parable story that I opened Untamed with was about a cheetah who was running back and forth on this ridiculous performance for the crowd because the cheetah had been raised with a black lab to learn how to be a lab, not a cheetah.

I wrote this book called Untamed and the...

the kind of parable story that I opened Untamed with was about a cheetah who was running back and forth on this ridiculous performance for the crowd because the cheetah had been raised with a black lab to learn how to be a lab, not a cheetah.

the thesis statement of Untamed was I'm not crazy, I'm a goddamn cheetah because I think a lot about growing up as a woman is about rejecting the idea that there was ever anything wrong with you.

I do wonder if I were not in a gaslighting tango with the world, would my thesis statement of Untamed have been, I'm not crazy, I'm a goddam cheetah.

And it reminds me of the thing I wrote about in Untamed with the touch tree.

The writer of Untamed was like anorexic the whole time I wrote it.

It's the same person who would say she wrote Love Warrior and then left her husband.

Because it's the same person who would say she wrote Love Warrior and then left her husband. Of course, when you get to the path of the Love Warrior and you understand the next step is that you do it because it's the thing you need to do.

And the refrain of Untamed is you're not crazy. You're a goddamn cheetah.

And I think what I did is what I wish for other people to do, which is that I wrote the truest, most beautiful self I could imagine.

And those early writings have turned into three books, the last of which was Untamed.

I watched from my home this past year in awe as Untamed became one of the biggest books of 2020 and 21.

This song has already become a personal anthem for me, and it's helped me through many hard days. And I hope it will become our family's pod squad anthem too.

Like this hot yoga. And I was like, no matter what happens in here, I'm going to stay. I'm going to stay. I'm melting, but I'm going to stay on this damn mat.

I lived in New York for two years and I literally left because I was reading Untamed.

I think that part of this has to do with, I have gotten male privilege because of the way I present through my life and because of sports. So I have a sense of male privilege that maybe you both because the way you present and the way that you've been received in the world, it just might be slightly different. So that's interesting. Yeah, I think that that's kind of interesting. So you obviously played the iconic role of Elle Woods.

So you obviously played the iconic role of Elle Woods. And because everyone, I mean, everybody knows Elle Woods, but because of Elle's beauty and popularity and femininity- From Legally Blonde, just to- Right, from Legally Blonde. She was constantly assumed to be not smart enough, not serious enough, not powerful enough to be at the table she earned her way to.

Well, I don't think women or any women are actually too much or not enough. I just think that's the structure we're given. Exactly. Please say that again. No woman is too much or not enough.

Why are we told that? Like, that was Untamed for me was this unlocking of all of the constructs that don't hold water for me anymore. This idea of the perfect woman or the perfect, yet showing up in society with everything that is weighing down on us, it's just crushing.

I don't know if you wrote the full story about this in Untamed, but do you want to tell the first bit of the story where you called?

Well, I'll tell you. You called me. Oh, the blowjobs.

Untamed is like letting loose.

And I think switching into, I rather experience everything than miss everything, right? Is that feeling that is related to our defenses. Our defenses are our idealization, our denial, our repression, right? What do we do internally? Projection.

Stuff I wrote in Untamed that doesn't exactly feel right anymore. And lots of it's about gender and sexuality.

It was something like you gave a litany of things that might possibly be going on in our lives that were really hard to say. They were embarrassing or they were hard or they were sad or they were shocking and they were carrying these things around, but we were not saying them out loud.

And one of my things was embedded right in the middle of the list.

And I had your book open and I just kind of like very quietly, I closed it and I set it down and I sat there quietly for about one minute and I picked up my phone and I texted you. And I said, something's wrong in my marriage.

And I have a whole chapter in Untamed where I would say she's pearl.

In Untamed I call it, the truer, more beautiful world.

If you understood that metaphor in the book, you might be bittersweet.

My wife had just read, um, Love Warrior and Untamed and she was talking about you all the time.

You were the person that wrote Untamed.

And in Untamed, I write woman, woman, woman, woman, woman, woman, woman, woman, women, women, like all the time.

And now when I listen to things, I'm starting to think differently about it because I'm thinking, oh, if you, like a TERF, if I'm a TERF, if your most important thing is protecting your idea of what a woman is, then that's an over-identification with an identity.

I do remember spending a lot of time talking about having Untamed myself in many, many ways in terms of sexuality and our family and marriage and gender stuff even.

And so it was before COVID hit. And oftentimes before you go on the book tour, there's a huge to do, you know, like your whole team has planned an entire for a whole year, this book tour, you have a whole situation of clothes and so stage and you are about to go talk about this, this, this art that you've just created.

It's now going to go out into the world.

So when we talk about getting weird or getting weird again, I just want to, to talk about all of the context that was an is a part of those times when you start getting like, we talk weird, but like you start to obsess, I think a little bit about your body.

You are literally turning your insides out and letting people read your insides.

I have been working really hard with a few amazing people to take the magic and the fire and the love in the Untamed book and turn it into a TV show to come into your living rooms.

Untamed is on the surface, a sexy, funny, modern classic love story between two women. Underneath it is a story about women breaking free from conditioning and tribalism to save ourselves, each other, and the planet.

The reason the book is selling at astronomic levels is that this is what's needed in this exact moment. We need a woman to lead us out of the matrix of patriarchal capitalistic white supremacy, but we need her to do it a little clumsily and sweatily and simply by trying to live her own fucking life.

Now I ask you who the hell else can play this role but you? You are already this role.

I think the book is too huge in terms of its importance and its value to even put. And almost also because of the way it's written each piece of it, each individual... each story vignette.

So much of my life was transformed when I kind of figured out how to get back to that knowing.

And so we're trying to figure out how to just be. The parts of Untamed that people responded to the most, I think, were this idea that there is a part of us that knows how to live and what we were meant for, but that we get that part drowned out by the expectations of our culture and by family and by religion and by all of these forces that tame us into forgetting our wild.

This was the whole point of Untamed.

Like we've been, we're conditioned with all these little stakes and applause from the people on the sidelines and whatever to continue the cheetah run when we actually, we were meant to be in the wherever cheetahs are supposed to fucking be.

And so I sat down in the office to write Untamed, and I could not do it because the office was too big and there were too many distractions.

You wrote the whole book, Untamed book, in the closet of the office.

In the closet of the office.

my cousin introduced me to Untamed and I read it in a day.

So if the snakes holding each other till they die is on one end, it's one way. In my way of letting no one in ever or near me, there is a third way, right?

Remember when she read Untamed and then she posted on her Instagrams and saying how it like split her open and made her feel alive and then I died 1000 deaths of joy?

And it was wild because Abby and I when we were falling in love, Adele was like one of the soundtracks to our...

And then all the British tabloids started writing about us which was real wild for a week.

It was my journal page 235.

there's this quote from Untamed that people circulate a whole lot and um it's it says the braver I am the luckier I get.

My girlfriend gave me Untamed and like every probably like on page two, I had already underlined so many things and I just kept calling her.

It arrived at the, at a time where I was circling the drain and I, it just saved me.

I read certain chat, like I've read certain little excerpts at the right time, just like when I read your book at the right time when I'm feeling like, I read your book at the right time when I'm circling the drain.

I wrote a poem about it in Untamed. It was like, I've always been midnight blue and you were this pearl color.

And after the Untamed extravaganza, people kept asking me, well, that's great that you've gotten Untamed. How do we get Untamed?

Oh, he's totally read Untamed.

I was thinking back to my own freaking book.

I was thinking back to Untamed and the line that was like, 'these doors aren't even locked'.

Like these doors aren't even locked. Why are we staying here?

In your book, you said that your family did not feel loved by you when you were deep in your addiction.

She says, are you Glennon? And I said, yes, I am Glennon. And she said, okay. Um, I have to tell you that I am sitting right there.

And she points to her porch, finishing your book Untamed right now. Like I literally finished the last page of your book, looked up and saw you standing in the middle of the street.

And I said, oh, I know that's why I'm here. I come to everybody's house when they're done. With the book.

Remember, I've told you all this story and I put in an Untamed and I'll tell a brief version of it.

I'm sure I am one of many men who listened to your podcast and who have read or listened to Untamed. It's an amazing book.

I have read a whole chapter about it on Tamed.

and as you know or is in Untamed I sat down with a long time trusted therapist that had been Craig and I's marriage therapist for a very long time

And the truth is, and I wrote about this in Untamed because I didn't look at it this way until after, but Craig, when we, when I found out I was pregnant, you told me that you weren't ready to get married.

I felt so freed by Untamed, and I'm hoping you can help free me from my own body hate.

I do not in any way believe that there's anything wrong with me inherently or that I was born broken, which I wrote in my first memoir or that I have this like debilitating mental illness that will always...

Untamed came out the same year my book, Fear, Self-Compassion came out.

Maybe I'm presuming, but I love that book.

Oh, I love that sister books.

I mean, like, Flannan, when you were married and you were busily out promoting Love Warrior, and then you met Abby, did you sit down at some point and say, well, yeah, I'm going to stay in this marriage forever.

And then I see Love Warrior on there and I read the little bio that Glennon had.

And it had something in there like about being sober.

I went back to my room that night and I read Love Warrior until one or two in the morning.

So was I, babe. So was I.

And so I scanned through the authors and I'm like, nah, and then I see Love Warrior on there and I read the little bio that Glennon had.

And it had something in there like about being sober. I was newly sober and I remember being like, oh, that's a sober person. I've heard of those people, but I've never met one.

I went back to my room that night and I read Love Warrior until one or two in the morning.

So was I, babe. So was I.

And then in Untamed, it was like the metaphor was, oh, I can just pick up my mat and leave this room. I don't have to be in this hot room anymore with these people.

And for some reason, like the big metaphors in my books are often about yoga and, you know, in Love Warrior, the big life metaphor for me was I can stay in this room no matter what's happening.

And I was like, oh, well this is kind of similar to what happened with, uh, Love Warrior, you know?

I remember reading Love Warrior and just feeling like, oh my God, I had all those feelings. I was so scared. I was so scared.

Love Warrior is an Aries name.

Did I live Love Warrior and then write it? Because I don't think so. I think I wrote Love Warrior and then hoped that I would live into that version of the redemption story.

I wrote about this in Love Warrior. I remember learning from Kathleen Norris in one of her books that the root of the word crisis is a Latin word that means to sift.

My wife had just read, um, Love Warrior and Untamed and she was talking about you all the time.

I wrote all of Love Warrior from a closet, okay?

it happened to intersect with the weeks and months right before the biggest book I'd ever written was coming out called love warrior.

I have to love on pain. Funny story. I actually read the book on an airplane in one sitting. And then once I got off the airplane a few days later, I got, we can do hard things tattooed on my arm.

I wrote in Love Warrior about the word beautiful.

I mean, I have had people who have read Love Warrior and said to me that they knew that I was gay just from that book.

You were touring the book Love Warrior.

She is an activist for equality and inclusion and the author of the number one New York Times bestseller WOLFPACK as well as the adaptation of WOLFPACK for the next generation.

was that your WOLFPACK speech at Barnard was circulated among all the women very early on and everyone started calling us, like each other, WOLFPACK within our group in Time's Up.

If you read it, you need to point. Why are you not leaving from the bench?

I've never in my life read a better, more impactful leadership book than WOLFPACK.

I don't think anything changed my life as much as WOLFPACK.

It was so monumentally just impactful and useful and really changed me, changed who I am as a person, as a parent, the way I am in my partnership with Steve.

Babe, tell Dr. Becky what happened this morning at your big loud sweaty gym.

Dr. Becky Kennedy is a clinical psychologist, bestselling author, and mom of three - who's rethinking the way we raise our children - and named "The Millennial Parenting Whisperer" by TIME Magazine. Dr. Becky is the author of the #1New York TimesbestsellerGood Inside: A Guide to Becoming the Parent You Want to Beand founder of the Good Inside Membership platform, a hub with Dr. Becky's complete parenting content collection all in one place.

She's a Pod con. Helped me repair it myself. Yes. Um, she is the founder of the Good Inside membership platform and host of the chart topping podcast, Good Inside with Dr. Becky.

She is the author of the number one New York Times bestseller, Good Inside, a guide to becoming the parent you want to be.

She is the author of the number one New York Times bestseller, Good Inside: A Guide to Becoming the Parent You Want to Be.

Dr. Becky is the author of the number one New York times bestseller Good Inside guide to becoming the parent you want to be

Dr. Becky Kennedy. You know how much we love Dr. Becky. She's the Good Inside person.

So I'm actually going to run this by Dr. Becky before, before I release it so that she can fix it if it needs to be.

So Dr. Becky said that guilt is what happens inside of us when we do something outside of our values.

Okay. Dr. Becky called it guilt and not guilt. Guilt is what I feel when I have acted outside of my values.

And now I have another thing that Dr. Becky said that is going to help this.

Dr. Becky is the author of the number one New York Times bestseller, Good Inside, a guide to becoming the parent you want to be

Dr. Becky is the author of the number one New York Times bestseller, Good Inside, a guide to becoming the parent you want to be

I started reading Dr. Becky's new book and I think that Dr. Becky is a Trojan horse.

I've been reading nonstop for the last week. You know this. I took her book on vacation and I didn't stop underlining of this highlighting the underlining, the sitting, the people down, the making them listen to all the things.

Dr. Becky is founder of the Good Inside membership platform, author of Good Inside, a guide to becoming the parent you want to be, which is out this month and the one I just read on vacation. So freaking good.

I felt that reading your book, like, oh, I'm figuring out why I am this way. Because hunger was a threat to my connection.

Example, a line in the book that was whenever you're triggered by somebody, don't try to shrink the thing in the other person. Try to grow the thing in yourself.

She wrote Big Magic which. It's interesting. I stand in solidarity. Below your mind is exactly what it's like about getting out of your mind, right? Oh, that's good. That's good. I meant it. Welcome. This is a lot of buildup.

In 2010, Elizabeth published a follow-up to EAT PRAY LOVE called COMMITTED--an instant a #1 New York Times Bestseller, as well as Big Magic: CREATIVE LIVING BEYOND FEAR.

In 2010, Elizabeth published a follow up to Eat, Pray, Love called Committed as well as Big Magic Creative Living Beyond Fear.

as well as Big Magic, Creative Living Beyond Fear.

I was talking to Liz Gilbert about this a while back and she said, she told me to think hard about the word disappoint.

Vanessa Marin is a sex therapist and New York Times bestselling author of Sex Talks, The Five Conversations That Will Transform Your Love Life, co-written with her husband Xander Marin.

Vanessa is here to help you kick shame out of the bedroom so you can start feeling the connection, pleasure and joy you deserve.

in Sex Talks, we do have a section of it where we talk about the experience of abuse.

Vanessa Morin is a sex therapist and instant New York Times bestselling author of Sex Talks, the five conversations that will transform your love life.

I mean, what the hell? What do you do then?

One of the things that he was sharing with me is all of the pressure that he felt growing up as a man around being good in bed.

He would tell me, I feel like I'm always supposed to be the initiator. I'm always supposed to want it more. I'm always supposed to know exactly what to do at every step of the way.

I'm supposed to pull the interaction along, be in control of it. I'm supposed to give you this incredible jaw-dropping orgasm that no man has ever given you before.

Vanessa Marin is a sex therapist and instant New York Times bestselling author of Sex Talks, the five conversations that will transform your love life.

And to hear our original "Silent Sex Queen" episode, go way back and check out: Episode 14: SILENT SEX QUEEN: Why aren't we talking about sex more?

Everybody go get Sex Talks.

Vanessa Morin is a sex therapist and instant New York Times bestselling author of Sex Talks, the five conversations that will transform your love life.

I mean, what the hell? What do you do then?

But the really tough part of the chapter for me when thinking about all of the hetero friends that I have, or the part where you talked about the women who the problem is not that their husbands don't know how to give them an orgasm or that they're faking or that whatever, it's that their partners don't care if they have an orgasm.

My husband says he doesn't feel like taking the time to make sure I orgasm. My boyfriend won't go down on me even though that's the only way I orgasm because he says he doesn't enjoy doing it. When my husband and I have sex, it feels very one-sided. He reaches climax and then he stops and leaves me hanging.

Everybody go get Sex Talks.

Vanessa Marin is a sex therapist and instant New York Times bestselling author of Sex Talks, the five conversations that will transform your love life.

Here are some turnoffs. Trying to kiss me with coffee breath, getting drunk, just getting naked. No, I need a little romance first burping and farting.

When I bent over to pick something up, he comes behind me and grinds himself against my ass, deep throat and phlegm clearing.

Initiating by pulling out the lube and tossing it at me.

I have received multiple pictures of actual printed out menus, collages, laminated.

Vanessa Morin is a sex therapist and instant New York Times bestselling author of Sex Talks, the five conversations that will transform your love life which Abby Wambach and I have worked our way through Vanessa because we do not recommend anything to the pod squad unless we put it to the test first.

But the articles always end there and there's no advice for, but what do I say? How do I say it? When do I say it? And so I really wanted to create a very practical guide to walk couples through these conversations. Exactly what to say, how to say it, when to say it and really lead you through so you're not feeling lost.

Vanessa Morin is a sex therapist and instant New York Times bestselling author of Sex Talks, the five conversations that will transform your love life which Abby Wambach and I have worked our way through Vanessa because we do not recommend anything to the pod squad unless we put it to the test first.

The premise of your work is that there are several conversations you can have with your partner or partners or self even that will make your sex life richer and better.

But the articles always end there and there's no advice for, but what do I say? How do I say it? When do I say it? And so I really wanted to create a very practical guide to walk couples through these conversations. Exactly what to say, how to say it, when to say it and really lead you through so you're not feeling lost.

I talk about how I think that what do you want is a bad question for us to ask.

So instead of asking your partner, what do you want, which puts all the mental load and effort onto their part, give them options there and give them two options.

Emily Nagoski's book, Come As You Are, reviews the science that I've just summarized and again, paints this hopeful picture while at the same time empowering women to get help.

And the reason why we liked it was because it was helpful, but also because the authors who are friends of this pod, Emily Nagoski, who wrote Come As You Are and her sister, who is also an author, Amelia Nagoski, they are just kind of the antidote to like the self-help or self care that there's no suggestion of we can just fix, you know, burnout with a candle or a bath or a manicure.

And don't forget, Come As You Are, Emily's book that, um, rocked our first silent sex queen episode that if you haven't listened to, you definitely are going to want to go listen to now.

Emily Nagoski is the award-winning author of the New York Times bestselling Come As You Are, newly revised and updated in 2021.

Now listen to this people. Here's what I read just in the introduction. All right? Oh God. So many women come to my blog or to my class or to my public talks convinced that they are sexually broken.

I wrote this book to share the science stories and sex positive insights that prove to us that despite our culture's vested interest in making us feel broken, dysfunctional, unlovely and unlovable, we are in fact fully capable of confident, joyful sex.

What I loved about Come As You Are, so many things, but I loved how it was organized because this structure was helpful to me.

If you're not a reader, listen to Emily's book, Come As You Are. Her voice is perfect. You're so good at reading. I loved it.

She was watching her adult brother change his baby daughter's diaper, which is great. She's all clean and he reaches for the new diaper and when he turns back, she is touching her vulva. And he goes, ah, don't touch that.

Also, Nagoski's Come As You Are, great book.

Yes, I actually just bought that. You are normal. I'm going to read it. Good. I'm going to read it. I'm going to read it.

I think i before i read um nagaski's book Come As You Are which everyone i think should read

And it became an essay in Carry On Warrior in the first book.

And I went and grabbed Carry On Warrior and I opened up the book to a mountain I'm willing to die on. Dear Chase, here's what would happen if one day you told us you were gay.

And by the way, two days after I came out online, someone in this community, probably someone who's listening to this podcast right now, sent me an email. And it was anonymous.

This person had written back to me the entire essay, A Mountain I'm Willing to Die On, but had changed all the words in it so that it was no longer a letter to Chase. It was a letter to me from my community online.

When my book, when my first book, Carry On Warrior, was allowed to be in Christian bookstores, it would all had a big sticker on it that would say read with discernment.

And she sent Carry On Warrior.

And I like started reading it and I was like, I'm going to be okay.

I'm going to be okay. So don't worry.

But when Carry On Word came out, they said, we'll sell it. But we put a big sticker on it that says, read with discernment.

The first book was Carry on warrior.

I love that book. I love that sweet little book.

and it became an essay in carry on warrior in the first book called a mountain I'm willing to die on

and I went and grabbed Carrie on warrior and I opened up the book to a mountain I'm willing to die on dear chase here is what would happen if one day you told us you were gay

Martha's most recent book, The Way of Integrity, Finding the Path to Your True Self was an instant New York Times bestseller.

Martha's most recent book, The Way of Integrity, Finding the Path to Your True Self, was an instant New York Times bestseller.

Her newest book, The Way of Integrity, I love this book, I love this book, I love this book, Finding the Path to Your True Self was an instant New York Times bestseller, obviously.

One of the things when I wrote this book about integrity, I was like, how do you know what's true?

And I realized that it's when your heart, your mind, your body, and your soul are all saying the same thing.

And what it feels like is like puzzle pieces clicking or locks coming into alignment.

I am meant to live in peace.

I've never met anyone, not people convicted criminals, psychopaths, they always still when they said that there was nothing in them that said that is not true.

Well, first I will say The Way of Integrity, I read it. I loved it. When you say every truth makes us relaxed and every lie makes us tense, it feels warm to me.

Her published works include the New York Times international bestsellers Finding Your Own North Star, I've read it. The Joy Diet, I've read it. Expecting Adam, I've read it. Martha's newest book, The Way of Integrity. I've read it twice. Finding the Path to Your True Self was obviously an instant New York Times bestseller.

I love the part in Way of Integrity too, where when you said write down all of the rage, write down what you hate, I feel like that was such an important chapter for me and something that I've always known to be true, which is that this compulsive fake positivity.

Their work and writing have appeared in the New York Times, Huffington Post, You Are Your Best Thing, edited by Tarana Burke and Brene Brown and Holding Change by Adrienne Marie Brown, who you all know, pod squad.

She is the author of three novels: STERN MEN, THE SIGNATURE OF ALL THINGS, and City of Girls.

She is author of two novels: THE SIGNATURE OF ALL THINGS, and City of Girls.

I don't remember writing my novels.

She is the author of three novels, Stern Men, The Signature of All Things and City of Girls.

She is author of two novels, The Signature of All Things and City of Girls.

She has written several books which have changed so many lives, including, Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents and Disentangling from Emotionally Immature People.

She has written several books including Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents and Disentangling from Emotionally Immature People.

Elizabeth Gilbert is author of the international bestseller, Eat Pray Love, which has been translated into over thirty languages, and sold over 12 million copies worldwide.

In 2010, Liz published the follow-up to Eat Pray Love called Committed.

Elizabeth Gilbert is author of the international bestseller, Eat Pray Love, which has been translated into over thirty languages, and sold over 12 million copies worldwide.

Elizabeth Gilbert is author of the international bestseller Eat, Pray, Love, which has been translated into over 30 languages and sold over 12 million copies.

The book became so popular that Time magazine named Elizabeth Gilbert as one of the 100 most influential people in the world.

I feel like to me, she's one of definitely one of the most five influential people in my world.

I wrote about this in Eat Pray Love. So this was like 25 years ago.

Sounds like the beginning of Be Pray Love or one of those.

Precisely, it was exactly that.

I think I wrote an Atlas of the Heart.

And I write about it a lot in Atlas, always trying to predict, okay, I see this behavior. I heard this comment. I've got 10 minutes to get both the girls here, find Jason.

I think the whole world's going to be watching Atlas of the Heart on HBO Max.

In her latest number one New York Times bestseller, Atlas of the Heart, which has been adapted for television and is now streaming on HBO Max, so good. She takes us on a journey through 87 of the emotions and experiences that define what it means to be human.

And I have to tell you that Atlas, I really did not think I was going to survive writing this book. I did not think this book was going to happen almost to the very end.

But I think coming to grips with so many things that I got wrong over the years and thinking about not just, wow, as a social scientist, wow, I didn't get this right, which to me that's fine. That's what science is.

I think one of the big things was there were two big things related. One is what you're talking about, that the depth of connection we have with ourselves is the best predictor variable of how deeply we'll be able to connect with other people.

And I think the second part is, shit, for years, for 20 years, I've said let's try to understand emotion. Let's try to recognize emotion in ourselves and others. And I am fully convinced now that we cannot recognize emotion in other people.

the whole book Atlas of the Heart is about using specific language to tell you who I am.

So this book is a guide to defining our internal selves so that we can translate ourselves to the people we love into the world.

I didn't know going into this book, first of all, oh God, this book was so freaking hard. I wasn't sure I was going to make it through this book, to be honest with you.

It is how do we find our way back to ourselves and to each other? And how do we do it without language, without some kind of understanding of, I love what you said, what this is wild thing happening inside of us.

It's everything you said, Glennon, no splicing necessary. A plus on the book report, Glennon, A plus on the book report.

In her latest book, Atlas of the Heart, which our entire team has spent the last weeks with, she takes us on a journey through 87 of the emotions and experiences that define what it means to be human.

Her published works include several self-help books and memoirs, including New York Times and international bestsellers, Finding Your Own North Star and Expecting Adam.

Her published works include several self-help books and memoirs, including New York Times and international bestsellers, Finding Your Own North Star, and Expecting Adam.

This is when I read, was it North Star? This is when I was reading your book about academia versus spiritual world, which for me was Christian world versus feminine world.

Her published works include the New York Times international bestsellers Finding Your Own North Star, I've read it.

Her published works include several self-help books and memoirs, including New York Times and international bestsellers, Finding Your Own North Star and Expecting Adam.

Her published works include several self-help books and memoirs, including New York Times and international bestsellers, Finding Your Own North Star, and Expecting Adam.

I read Expecting Adam during that time. And that book more than anything else just set me at such joy and peace during that time.

So I read Expecting Adam during that time. And that book, more than anything else, just set me at such joy and peace during that time.

Expecting Adam, well, can you describe it and just tell them what it's about so that they know why this is a big deal?

Expecting Adam, I've read it.

Her best-selling collection of Dear Sugar Columns, Tiny Beautiful Things, one of my favorites,

was adapted for a newly released television show starring Catherine Han and is available now for streaming on Hulu.

Abby and I just binge watched all of Tiny Beautiful Things.

I was scared because Tiny Beautiful Things is one of the books that I give away the most in the world.

It's a magical thing, that book.

I said that in the column, Tiny Beautiful Things, the title column of the book, but that's what I was talking about.

So what's interesting to me about that at the time that I wrote that column, The Truth That Lives There, about like, I give you permission to leave your relationship because you want to and wanting to go is enough, is what I said, is in the decades since that was published, when I'm out and about, I can't even now, it's in the thousands, the people I've met who've said, that column changed my life.

I think this is from that column. I was struck yet again by how many of the people were asking, in essence, the same haunted question. Is it okay to be who I want to be, to do what I want to do, to live how I want to live?

as well as the bestsellers Tiny Beautiful Things, Brave Enough, I know, and Torch.

Tiny Beautiful Things is currently being adapted for a TV show for Hulu and will star Katherine Hahn.

Katherine Hahn's one of my favorite actors, but Tiny Beautiful Things is one of my favorite books of all time.

I said that in the column, Tiny Beautiful Things, the title column of the book, but that's what I was talking about.

In the decades since that was published, when I'm out and about, I can't even now, it's in the thousands, the people I've met who've said that column changed my life. It is the thing that compelled me to leave my partner.

I would say that my entire book, Mating in Captivity, is really about that question, you know, where I began to understand the difference of what does it mean to explore the erotic, but erotic in the mystical sense of the word, aliveness, vibrancy, vitality, energy, life force.