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Hillbilly Elegy was a good book. It just was.

Ron Howard made my book into a film.

Ron Howard directed a movie based on his book right, I mean he's changed since then, but he has an ability to live in a lot of different worlds and that's a really really, um, a valuable asset for a vice president, J.D. Vance, um, hopefully he's going to be on the show very soon but I've said to the audience from the day we launched, it was literally one of, if not, the most favorite interview I've ever done, it was while I was NBC, it's one of, one of the few very good things that came out of that year, that year plus when I was there and, um, I encourage you to go back and look at the YouTube of it, it's truly worth your 11 minutes, or however long that the piece was, and I don't say this in a sycophantic way, I don't have a girl crush on J.D. Vance, I love only one man and that's my husband, but J.D. Vance is a beautiful person, that's my biggest takeaway, was this is a beautiful man, he has been through a lot and has overcome and has managed to like stay within his own soul, solid, spiritual, connected to his family, very aware of his own failings and the dangers to him given his upbringing, loves his wife, his family, all of his family's nuclear family and the children he has of course with Usha, and I'm rooting for that guy to succeed, I don't really care if it says vice president or a senator, or just as a human, you just the more you learn about him I think the more you like him.

I think it's 100 true, I, I don't think there's anything that's going to diminish the desire of Democrats, if he wins another term to impeach him, I, I think that that's just, but also I think it's funny that I just said about Steve Bannon talking about how much he loves AOC, if you take that, that Don Jr. quote, and you gave it to somebody, I don't know, 10, 15 years ago and you said, who is the person talking about corporate billionaires and warmongers, you would assume it was Noam Chomsky, you would assume it was somebody on the left, I mean, this is why people like Bannon, and why people like Don Jr., uh kind of, you know, respect people on the populist left because it's become, it's become such an overlap, but somebody like J.D. Vance, who I really strongly disagree with on a lot of issues, the one thing you can't take away from him, if you see him, I've seen him dealing with, there was one recent, uh interview he gave to CNN in which they were thought they were going to dunk on him because what, what happens with journalists, when it comes to MAGA types, is that you always assume because you are right and they are wrong, this is from the perspective of the journalist, that it'll be easy right, because you know they just lie and they make things up, J.D. Vance is no dummy, I mean, he's very very skilled at this and I, it was the first person I saw in kind of MAGA universe, so skillfully and artfully, you can win by, you know, as Steve Bannon says in that clip, having a hammer like Matt Boyle, hammer is usually the tool that they use, that would be Vance's uh great advantage.

Look, I was wrong about Donald Trump.

I didn't think he was going to be a good president.

He was a great president.

I think you should, when you, when you're wrong about something, you should change your mind and be honest with people about that fact.

I think he's doing that.

Hillbilly Elegy becoming a major bestseller and movie

There are really three finalists remaining for the vice president. It is Marco Rubio, Doug Burgum and JD Vance. I think JD Vance is by far the best selection.

Look, there are many, many things that JD brings to the to the to the to the picture that other candidates don't. One, I think that he is by far the best person on camera to defend Trump.

You know, Trump's gonna go into the presidency with a Democratic Party that wants to put him in jail and extremely hostile media, and he's gonna have to have an aggressive fighter who is gonna support him 100% of the way, and I think that JD does the best job at that. JD can fundraise for Trump and JD will be an agreement with Trump on the big issues.

I said I told that to the president yesterday. President said, you know, I love JD, you know, obviously, you know, it's strongly considering it but he wasn't always with me. I said no, no, I say I think that helps because you want to try to have people vote for you that might not have always been on board for your agenda.

And I say that somebody who supported in the day, he came down the escalator as soon as he said, you know, you know, we need a wall. I was like, this is my guy. So I don't behold. I don't have a grudge to anybody who wasn't with him the first day. I wasn't. I don't begrudge you something wasn't within the first 100 days of his administration.

For those that do not know, he's a bestselling author of the book Hillbilly Elegy, which also became a Netflix series.

He's bestselling author across the board, made a bunch of money, came from a forgotten part of the country, understands those needs, wants and concerns, speaks to them effectively.

I think there's no pass to the White House at Georgia Arizona. I'm not guaranteeing we're going to win them, but we should be okay. I mean, God willing, you have to pick off one of the blue wall. You have to. And JD is built for the blue wall. He is the best blue wall candidate, not Marco Rubio, not anybody else. He is a senator from the former blue wall that Donald Trump has turned red.

He would do amazing in Western Pennsylvania. He is pure MAGA. He's young. He's incredibly articulate. He is a ruling class traitor just like Donald Trump. I want everyone to understand this that Donald Trump and JD Vance are in common because they are ruling class traitors. Now, JD Vance grew up in a blue class background, best-selling author, Netflix series.

He then got into the ruling class and defected. What are your thoughts, Kane?

I would be ecstatic if JD Vance were the choice by the president. You know, I've tried to analyze everything Trump has said right in between the lines. And one of the things he talked about three or four months ago was the person has to be ready to step in day one. You don't want to talk about the death of a president or the possible passing of a president. Trump says you have to be realistic. You have to choose a candidate who's ready, who has the skills.

You talked about JD Vance. Yeah, growing up blue collar and then sort of Stanford and venture capital and being incredibly successful. I think he's been great in the last 10 days, two weeks out there for President Trump.

I grew up in in Scotland which was where we we pioneered Hillbilly Elegy, it's kind of like we did the pilot before JD Vance was even born we decided I don't know let's just deindustrialize and see what happens and I saw deaths of despair in Glasgow in the 1970s before I knew that that was what they were and I saw the demoralization of the society in the west of scotland in the 70s and 80s.

J.D. Vance barely won. Oh, he had to spend a lot of money in order to win. Oh, he doesn't have a whole lot of track record.

If Karl Rove and Mark Thiessen, two of the biggest never Trump rhinos out there, are attacking J.D. Vance.

He's come a long way since buying into mainstream media narratives.

J.D. Vance represents America first very, very well.

I give credit to J.D. Unlike almost every other politician, he actually wrote his book.

It's been a while. It's been a decade or so.

I mean, that book came out what? In like 16, if I remember correctly.

Yeah, I did back in the day.

If you've read Hillbilly Elegy, I never hear him talk to this anymore.

And it's funny thinking back on the advice that I gave him.

And thinking of like collecting, going from collecting like 30 emails at a Barnes & Noble in like Columbus, Ohio to being the vice presidential nominee is quite something.

I'll tell you it is personally surreal and weird to kind of see something.

He's like, I think I was wrong.

I believed a lot of these media lies.

J.D. will do a great job. I'm extremely excited about the pick of Senator Vance to be vice president. He will be a great ally with President Trump in pushing President Trump's policies and priorities.

J.D. Vance is the representative of the working class. He grew up in a very poor family in Appalachia. His grandmother raised him. His mother had a drug addiction problem. He has experienced in his lifetime on how he was raised with so many Americans, whether it's in the Ozarks where I come from, Appalachia, whether it's the Rust Belt. These are Americans that a lot of times feel like in Washington that they are viewed as flyover country. And he's going to be such a strong voice for them. And I think you'll see that tonight in his speech. So I'm extremely, extremely excited about Donald Trump, Donald Trump's selection of J.D. Vance.

J.D. Vance is the representative of the working class. He grew up in a very poor family in Appalachia. His grandmother raised him. His mother had a drug addiction problem.

J.D. Vance I mean you know read his book watch the movie I mean it does connect he had a tough life you know and I think when you look at those things I think those stories and focusing more on those issues than like the policy issues of trying to pick somebody that oh well Tim Scott is his policy record no what's the story and how do you connect with people so that's why I think J.D would be a great choice.

JD is somebody who comes from that working class background. Everybody's kind of familiar with him and his book, Kill Billy Elegy and all of that.

Senator J.D. Vance is an interesting guy, traditional conservative, Marine Corvette, Yale Law School, Catholic convert, author, journalist, business guy.

As Donald Trump's VP selection, Vance will immediately be lionized by Republicans and attacked by liberal Democrats.

Now I don't know Vance, never met him, but he's not boring.

In fact, the Trump-Vance ticket may be the liveliest in the history of the United States.

Huge bestseller, Hillbilly Elegy.

He's a Marine. I mean, he's got an impressive life story even at just age 39.

And he felt like this kind of conduit to this part of the country. And yet he did not consider himself like a Trump supporter. At one point he said, I can't stomach Trump.

I think he's noxious and is leading the white working class to a very dark place. I mean, what changed?

Be careful what you read if you read too much harry potter you're going to try and cast spells on people once you've had one too many but this is this there's three really that are that are very very interesting here that i think link link together

You know, J.K. Rowling, she's had a bit of a rough time.

You know, she's had a bit of a rough time, she's been cancelled.

I did it with page turners. I listened to audiobooks. So whatever, you know, the latest Harry Potter novel or Hunger Games novel that I was listening to, I just wanted to know what happened next.

Joseph knows Chinese Taiwanese and English his favorite books are the Harry Potter books the prettiest place he has ever been is Paris

Current Warner properties like Harry Potter or HBO or Batman are very attractive to would-be suitors.

He's so brilliant that he gets his hands on a copy of the final Harry Potter book before anybody else does.

Harry Potter.

It's the reason why she will let our kids read a Harry Potter book, well, my 14 year old is passed, but my daughter's young, read a certain Harry Potter book without watching it yet.

Because the images that she creates in her head is from a very limited bank.

So I've been reading Harry Potter

Maybe like a Harry Potter sized book. There's a lot. There's a lot.

I don't read it, is that thing, does that thing have a lot of adverbs?

Oh, she loves adverbs, they're all over those books.

Was that a Harry Potter book?

I didn't read all the Harry Potter books when they came out.

And I feel like that's why it was so popular with millennials because you kind of grew up with them.

I just watched some movies.

I tried reading the first one and I think I read that one, but I don't think I've read all those books.

I was at a bookstore the other day and I saw like a nice like collector's edition of them. I'm like, I don't know if it would still hit the same as an adult.

You can ingest, you can watch Harry Potter a million times. You cannot spit Harry Potter back out.

They have read over 300 books, including The Maze Runner of Mice and Men and Harry Potter, and have invited many guest authors to speak at their meetings.

Have you read Harry Potter? I'm going to give you another read.

And they'll brag, they'll rub it and they'll come up to me like, I just read the Harry Potter series in two days. So I do, I've been reading Harry Potter for six months, and Harry doesn't even know he's a wizard yet.

You can tell how she lives for three years.

Either that or you read a lot of Harry Potter books.

And we went into Trinity College in Dublin. And they have the oldest library. This is like where Hogwarts keeps its hogs you know this thing old.

as someone who is a giant pussy literally though I can't even watch Harry Potter because I have nightmares

Phillip was a sweet kid in 4th grade who played baseball, loved Harry Potter, and he had recently gotten into the hobby of go-karting.

I remember Bob Innis when I was reading every single one of the Harry Potter books to the children and I don't know how much you know about that I sadly know everything there is to know but Voldemort the antagonist murdered people and every time he murdered someone his soul would split that causes your soul to split and I remember reading that to the children you know editing out parts I thought were really really scary and they said why does your soul split in half when you kill somebody and I said because it's the worst thing in the world in the universe to take away God's most precious gift and that is your life

I grew just reading the Harry Potter... But it was part of growth.

I really learned from Harry Potter that human beings come from immutable groups and those groups are really, really important. And we should really divide children into groups when they're small.

I didn't ever read it. I've watched all the movies.

I feel like your friends in life are your Horcruxes.

Cause I read a Harry Potter book one time that was a screenplay.

You're also a huge Harry Potter book and movie fan.

Oh my God. So am I. Biggest nerd!

It's like all the lines where she's just so sassy that I'm always like referencing.

And you know what's funny, actually, Harry Potter is one of those things that I feel like is that that thing that you'll mention something small and then the other person will go, wait, wait, wait, what?

And so we were filming a scene in Paris for Emily in Paris, and it was myself, Ashley, Luca, and I believe Camille. We were all at this table shooting a dinner scene. And someone said something Harry Potter. And then all four of us, we had to stop filming because we were looking at what our what our like different houses would be. And we just literally went off on some tangent. And it was so funny because there we are in the middle of Paris talking about Harry Potter.

And she was like, cause I read a Harry Potter book one time that was a screenplay.

It's first we show them the letters, then we start with the sound. It's very slow, structured, but it adds up and then, you know, it creates, you know, the greatest literary artists in the world, the system. And if we implemented that to our self-improvement, if we implemented that to our physical health, our diet, you know, the sky is the limit.

She read a chapter of Harry Potter in Italian like she does every single night

I am recently rereading the Harry Potter series, and I was reading the description of Ron Weasley. He's a tall redhead who's in the middle of, like, several children, and he's awkward, he's funny, kind of comic relief. He's always sort of just part of all the stories. He's hilarious.

Conan, I couldn't help but think of you as I was reading this, after having listened to the podcast and watching all of your just old clips on YouTube recently.

So I'm wondering, have you, when you've ever read the Harry Potter series or watched the movies, identified with Ron Weasley?

I'm glad you brought this up because this is a longstanding lawsuit I have with the Harry Potter people because I think I was ripped off.

I immediately identified this. I immediately identified this. I didn't read the books when the books came out. I didn't read the books. But when the movies came out and I saw that Ron, first of all, I said, when did they, how did they shoot me as a child? I was confused. How did they digitally put me into a movie?

And then I stay inside and I read Harry Potter books again.

No, Harry Potter was way better than Twilight.

Listen to a bold new take on George Orwell's classic 1984 on Audible, starring an epic cast with Andrew Garfield, Cynthia Erivo, and Andrew Scott and featuring Tom Hardy as Big Brother, plus a haunting original score by Matthew Bellamy and Ian Ishikari that takes this thrilling production to the next level. Experience an immersive listening experience like nothing you've heard before. This chilling tale of constant surveillance, thought police, and rebellion is more relevant now than ever.

Listen to George Orwell's 1984 on Audible now. Go to audible.com slash big brother.

Listen to a bold new take on George Orwell's classic 1984 on Audible, starring an epic cast with Andrew Garfield, Cynthia Erivo, and Andrew Scott and featuring Tom Hardy as Big Brother plus a haunting original score by Matthew Bellamy and Ian Ishakeri that takes this thrilling production to the next level.

Experience an immersive listening experience like nothing you've heard before.

This chilling tale of constant surveillance, thought police, and rebellion is more relevant now than ever.

Big Brother is watching and listening.

Hear why those who control the past control the future.

You might find a new title from an old favorite like David Gran who wrote killers of the flower moon and his new book, the wager, a tale of shipwreck, mutiny and murder or listen to a classic novel for the first time like George Orwell's 1984 narrated by Andrew Garfield, Cynthia Erivo and Tom Hardy.

In George Orwell's dystopian novel, 1984, there were lots of ways to get in trouble with a totalitarian state. Protesting in the street was a quick way to get seized by the authorities, but you could also get in trouble for subtler things, like reading the wrong book or having the wrong opinions.

In George Orwell's dystopian novel, 1984, there were lots of ways to get in trouble with a totalitarian state.

Protesting in the street was a quick way to get seized by the authorities, but you could also get in trouble for subtler things, like reading the wrong book or having the wrong opinions.

J.D. Vance was born in the year 1984, which for viewers, the few viewers who don't know, was the title of a very ominous book by George Orwell about the dangers of autocracy and regimentation.

Republicans also pushed legislation that would have banned books like Maya Angelou's book, I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings, or George Orwell's 1984, or F. Scott Fitzgerald's The Great Gatsby.

Republicans also pushed legislation that would have banned books like Maya Angelou's book, I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings or George Orwell's 1984 or F. Scott Fitzgerald's The Great Gatsby.

I mean I don't know like it's just QED it is we are living in some weird 1984 reality as far as like how courts are describing what they are doing with the law.

George Orwell is spinning in his grave and laughing at the same time. 2 plus 2 doesn't equal 4. It equals 5 because we say it is.

2 plus 2 equals 5 because we say it is.

It's some stuff straight out of 1984.

Oh my God. And by 1984, all of this shit that they're saying in the book, which really is happening now. He just, he was a little too early.

I don't know if you've read 1984. Highly recommend the read. It's like 100 pages long.

And dude, the forever wars across the world, you're just fighting a new enemy. We had ISIS. Now we have ISIS-K. Now we're fighting the Taliban. Now we're fighting the Russians. Now we're fighting who God knows what. But there's always some enemy, foreign enemy.

Well, I've read Brave New World too. Not the script of the new Captain America movie. But that kind of gives you the other half of the picture where we're just... You know, we're dopamine freaks. We're looking for our next high and just going day to day. You know, looking for Soma.

It's almost like, well, it's almost like Orwell said fascists are much better with propaganda and they just throw things against the wall and the Trump campus said in the past that Steve Bannon has said they're going to throw so much stuff at the wall that they're going to numb America.

Jonathan complains about the lack of interest producers have shown in a futuristic musical he's written, loosely based on George Orwell's 1984.

Listen to a new bold take on George Orwell's classic 1984 on Audible, starring an epic cast with Andrew Garfield, Cynthia Arrivo, Andrew Scott, and featuring Tom Hardy as Big Brother.

Plus, a haunting original score by Matthew Bellamy and Ilan Iskari that takes this thrilling production to the next level.

Experience an immersive listening experience like nothing you've heard before.

A chilling tale of constant surveillance, thought police, and rebellion now more relevant than ever.

Big Brother is watching and listening.

Listen to a bold new take on George Orwell's classic 1984 on Audible, starring an epic cast with Andrew Garfield, Cynthia Erivo and Andrew Scott, and featuring Tom Hardy as Big Brother.

Plus a haunting original score by Matthew Bellamy and Elon Ishkeri that takes this thrilling production to the next level.

Experience an immersive listening experience like nothing you've ever heard before.

This chilling tale of constant surveillance, thought police and rebellion is more relevant now than ever.

Big Brother is watching and listening.

Listen to a bold new take on George Orwell's classic 1984 on Audible.

Starring an epic cast with Andrew Garfield, Cynthia Erivo and Andrew Scott and featuring Tom Hardy as Big Brother.

Plus a haunting original score by Matthew Bellamy and Ilan Ishkari that takes this thrilling production to the next level.

Experience an immersive listening experience like nothing you've ever heard before.

This chilling tale of constant surveillance, thought police and rebellion is more relevant now than ever.

Listen to a bold new take on George Orwell's classic 1984 on Audible.

Starring an epic cast with Andrew Garfield, Cynthia Erivo and Andrew Scott.

And featuring Tom Hardy as Big Brother.

Plus a haunting original score by Matthew Bellamy and Ilan Ishkari that takes this thrilling production to the next level.

It's an immersive listening experience like nothing you've ever heard before.

And if you have ever read or even read excerpts of George Orwell's 1984, he talks about how they will show you something with your eyes and they will tell you not to believe it.

If you go back and look at 1984 by George Orwell, that's the point of what we're dealing with. We're dealing with the disillusion of truth so that nobody can really know what truth actually is.

The book 1984 by George Orwell you're just in this big brother you know is watching you but today we do have this technology that is watching us we all carry a microphone and a video camera around with us and those things are being gathered so they'll know whenever the the net is tightened around us enough.

It's a classic. It's like the Casablanca of dystopian futures.

I mean, I'd like to die in it

Did you guys know that George Orwell's 1984 is one of the most banned books in the history of the world?

He has this it's his new book is really really great it's basically a personal development book masquerading his dating book, he's got this line about self-compassion which I'm going to read to you.

I struggle to believe I'm worthy of moments of joy and peace without first putting myself through a brutal schedule, monitoring my productivity levels down to the minute, perhaps some people apply this earn your cookie mindset in ways that lead to healthy achievements not me, mine is a mutation whereby joy and self-compassion are regularly outlawed by an internal tyrant who decides when I've been flogged enough for one day just when I'm about to collapse a voice inside says okay give him half an hour of peace before bed, but make sure he knows we'll start again bright and early in the morning.

It's like we encourage you to get into your Bible, you know, get into your Quran, get into your Torah, like get into the Septuagint, whatever you read and hold it up against our show and try to prove us wrong. You know, we're not going to quote scripture in the show, but try to prove us wrong.

We actually want to encourage it. But it's like the system built on top of those beliefs, let's in faith, let's look at that. Like we encourage you to get into your Bible, you know, get into your Quran, get into your Torah, like get into the Septuagint, whatever you read and hold it up against our show and try to prove us wrong. You know, we're not going to quote scripture in the show, but try to prove us wrong.

Always the way. Yeah. It's the best. 18 of the rescued girls were in the church at the time of the explosion.

The explosion is supposed to be the work of Chinese high binders who hope to kill seven mission women and the preacher. The Reverend Mr. Gardner, who married a Chinese woman and learned many secrets of the high binder through his wife.

Serve the Lord with gladness, come before his presence with singing. Psalm 100, verse 2.

Prepare your heart for this devotional from the book of Psalms guiding you into a restful embrace under his watchful eyes.

Tonight's psalm invites us to joyfully enter the presence of God and find rest in His truth that transcends time. Psalm 100 from the King James Version says, Make a joyful noise unto the Lord all ye lands. Serve the Lord with gladness. Come before His presence with singing.

Know ye that the Lord He is God. It is He that hath made us, and not we ourselves. We are His people and the sheep of His pasture. Enter into His gates with thanksgiving and into His courts with praise. Be thankful unto Him and bless His name.

For the Lord is good, His mercy is everlasting, and His truth endureth to all generations.

Prepare your heart for this devotional from the book of Psalms, guiding you into a restful embrace under his watchful eyes.

Welcome to "Sleep Psalms with Bishop T.D. Jakes," a tranquil oasis of serenity for your weary soul. In each episode, you'll embark on a soothing journey guided by the wisdom of the most popular book of the Bible, the book of Psalms.

Tonight's prayer is from Psalm 98:4.

Prepare your heart for this devotional from the book of Psalms guiding you into a restful embrace under his watchful eyes.

Psalm 97 verse 1 Dear Lord as I lay down to sleep tonight I thank you for the light

Psalm 97 from the King James Version says,

The Lord reigneth, let the earth rejoice, let the multitude of isles be glad thereof. Heavens and darkness are round about him, righteousness and judgment are the habitation of his throne. A fire goeth before him, and burneth up his enemies round about.

His lightnings enlightened the world, the earth saw and trembled. The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth. The heavens declare his righteousness, and all the people see his glory.

Declare His glory among the nations, His marvelous works among all the peoples.

Prepare your heart for this devotional from the Book of Psalms, guiding you into a restful embrace under His watchful eyes.

O sing unto the Lord a new song, sing unto the Lord all the earth. Sing unto the Lord, bless His name, shew forth His salvation from day to day. Declare His glory among the heathen, His wonders among all people.

For the Lord is great, and greatly to be praised. He is to be feared above all gods, for all the gods of the nations are idols, but the Lord made the heavens. Honor and majesty are before Him, strength and beauty are in His sanctuary.

Give unto the Lord, O ye kindreds of the people, give unto the Lord glory and strength. Give unto the Lord the glory due unto His name. Bring an offering and come into His courts. O worship the Lord in the beauty of holiness, fear before Him all the earth.

Prepare your heart for this devotional from the book of Psalms, guiding you into a restful embrace under his watchful eyes.

The Bible reminds us the Lord is stronger than the storms we face in our lives.

Psalm 93 from the King James Version says The Lord reigneth.

Prepare your heart for this devotional from the book of Psalms, guiding you into a restful embrace under his watchful eyes.

When we lose hope in this world, the Bible reminds us of God's loving kindness and of His promise to preserve and protect us, to set us apart for His glory.

Psalm 89 from the King James Version says, I will sing of the mercies of the Lord forever.

Prepare your heart for this devotional from the book of Psalms, guiding you into a restful embrace under his watchful eyes.

Psalm 88 from the King James Version says, O Lord God of my salvation, I have cried day and night before thee.

God's word makes it clear that God is always with us, and He listens to us when we call upon Him.

Tonight's sleep psalm. Teach me your way, Lord. I will walk in your truth. Make my heart undivided to fear your name. Psalm 86 verse 11.

Prepare your heart for this devotional from the book of Psalms guiding you into a restful embrace under his watchful eyes.

Tonight's psalm tells us to turn to God and put our trust in Him so that we can find rest in His joy and peace as we lay down to sleep.

Psalm 86 from the King James Version says, Bow down thine ear, O Lord, hear me, for I am poor and needy. Preserve my soul, for I am holy. O thou my God, save thy servant that trusteth in thee. Be merciful unto me, O Lord, for I cry unto thee daily.

The Bible reminds us we can place our trust in God during difficult times because there is no one like him. He is compassionate and gracious, sovereign and strong, and loving and faithful.

Prepare your heart for this devotional from the book of Psalms,

The hope humanity has longed for is found in the Jesus Podcast.

When we seek God and dwell in his presence, the Bible tells us we will grow in his strength, grace, and glory.

Psalm 84 from the King James Version says,

Blessed are they that dwell in thy house, they will be still praising thee, Selah. Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee, in whose heart are the ways of them, who passing through the valley of Bacchah make it a well, the rain also filleth the pools.

They go from strength to strength, every one of them in Zion appeareth before God. O Lord God of hosts, hear my prayer. Give ear, O God of Jacob, Selah. Behold, O God, our shield, and look upon the face of thine anointed.

For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God than to dwell in the tents of wickedness. For the Lord God is a sun and shield, the Lord will give grace and glory.

No good things will he withhold from them that walk uprightly. O Lord of hosts, blessed is the man that trusteth in thee.

Prepare your heart for this devotional from the book of Psalms, guiding you into a restful embrace under his watchful eyes.

Although God is sovereign over all the nations and their leaders, the Bible reminds us we have an important role to play in bringing his justice to our world.

Tonight, receive strength from God's word to stand up for what is right in his eyes and find rest for your spirit as you submit to him and his ways.

Prepare your heart for this devotional from the book of Psalms, guiding you into a restful embrace under his watchful eyes.

He even gets an early copy of Go Setta Watchman, which is Harper Lee's surprise prequel to Kill a Walkingbird.

Here is a storyteller justifying the novel as a form that transcends time and place.

The one thing that doesn't abide by majority rule is a person's conscience.

In our courts, when it's a white man's word against a black man's, the white man always wins.

The Pulitzer is one thing the approval of my own people is the only literary reward I covet.

What happens in a small southern town when citizens learn that one of its natives has just become a Pulitzer Prize winner? Well, the word travels fast telephones ring bulletins go on the radio people jump in their automobiles and travel to the next block to tell their neighbors.

He's not like Harper Lee.

We don't have to wait 50 years for the first draft.

Finally though, a good Harper Lee book.

Well, hopefully like To Kill a Mockingbird in 50 years there will be a sequel to it After David E. Kelly's death His publisher will be like

I think you said the kill of the kill.

Yeah kill the monkey bird.

Kill the Mockingbird.

What's that about?

I forgot.

It had been 17 years since she'd written the wildly successful, yet at the time divisive, To Kill a Mockingbird.

We had a guy walk in for a minute and talk about don't do drugs and then he walked his ass out and we went right back to kill a mockingbird.

To kill a mockingbird.

Don't you ask it.

They always make me read that page.

Payton, would you like to read page 87?

In his final address as president, President Obama gave this speech in Chicago, it was supposed to be like the closing address of the administration. And in that speech, he talked about the line from To Kill a Mockingbird. If our democracy is to work the way it should in this increasingly diverse nation, then each one of us need to try to heed the advice of a great character in American fiction, Atticus Finch, who said, you never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view, until you climb into his skin, and walk around in it.

He'll recommend books to me. Recently, the most, the book he recommended last is called To Kill a Bird That's Been Mocking You.

People talk about Kill the Mockingbird and I didn't read that book. I didn't read any of these books because I couldn't.

I miss what Atticus Finch is going to be able to do to this post-George Floyd crowd.

Think Atticus Finch from To Kill a Mockingbird's demeanor.

It's like replace Beloved with To Kill a Mockingbird. This also gave me nightmares.

To Kill a Mockingbird, like we mentioned, Harper Lee's classic because of offensive language and racism.

That's a big one.

I've used the episode on book banning several times while teaching to kill a mockingbird or informing students about banned book week

To Kill a Mockingbird, like we mentioned, Harper Lee's classic because of offensive language and racism.

Yeah. So the whole point of banned book week is to celebrate intellectual freedom.

I've used the episode on book banning several times while teaching to kill a mockingbird or informing students about banned book week

To Kill a Mockingbird, like we mentioned, Harper Lee's classic because of offensive language and racism.

Yeah. That's a big one.

I've used the episode on book banning several times while teaching to kill a mockingbird or informing students about banned book week

To Kill a Mockingbird, like we mentioned, Harper Lee's classic because of offensive language and racism.

I've used the episode on book banning several times while teaching to kill a mockingbird or informing students about banned book week

Something that I have wanted to talk about now you all know to kill a mockingbird boo Radley and Atticus Finch and Scout story about good overcoming adversity overcoming the system it's been around for quite some time childhood classic has been stage play for a very long time you may have also heard that Aaron Sorkin wrote a version of to kill a mockingbird that is currently being staged on Broadway starring I believe Jeff Daniels in the role of Atticus Finch

the producers of this production on Broadway has shut down community productions of the other to kill a mockingbird the old to kill a mockingbird play and there was this New York Times story in which this amateur actor who also runs the Playhouse had to tell Scout that she didn't get to be Scout anymore because the New York producers of to kill a mockingbird decided to shut down the Dayton Ohio production and how ironic is this they thought they had a good case but they were afraid to fight him in court they were afraid to take their chances in court to win their righteous cause to perform to kill a mockingbird

but don't worry there was a compromise and the compromise is some of these local groups they can still do to kill a mockingbird but they can only do the Aaron Sorkin version so basically because New York City has a Broadway production of to kill a mockingbird Scout in Dayton the little girl doing the amateur production has to learn a new version of the play that that is the compromise it is fucking insane

why do they care what happens at the local Dayton production of to kill a mockingbird just let them do the other version who gives a shit sorry guys this Broadway production starring Jeff Daniels has to shut down we're facing too much competition in Dubuque

Some shenanigans involving To Kill a Mockingbird

Yeah, that's the one most often cited as the one hit wonder because Harper Lee wrote one book.

Yeah, that's one of those rare ones where I actually think the movie is better than the book.

And I love the book, it's one of my favorite books of all time and I hadn't read it in a while and I went back and read it and then I watched the movie shortly after and I was like holy cow the movie is better than the book.

She wrote the one book that in the 1980s she started another book and never finished that one either.

I guess she just... procrastinated. No, I think she just, I don't know. I don't know if anyone has an answer why she never wrote again.

Yeah, that's the one most often cited as the one hit wonder because Harper Lee wrote one book.

And I love the book, it's one of my favorite books of all time and I hadn't read it in a while and I went back and read it and then I watched the movie shortly after and I was like holy cow the movie is better than the book.

It feels like entering a different world when you walk in. One second you're walking across the street ... and next you're staring at Hogwartsesque buildings complete with stained glass and gargoyles.

Harry Potterstyle glasses, illfitting clothing, the works.

Some kind of cloak. Well, let's see then. Put it on. Whoa! My body's gone! I know what that is! That's an invisibility cloak! I'm invisible?

Is it is the gender stuff? Yeah?

But like do they put JK Rowling on there because they want us to be fooled

That's why you got to play the game. Yeah now gender matters. It sounds like Sorbo tweet

For me for me. It's between Sorbo and Rowling which sounds like wow that's a fucking Mad Libs threesome

Also, it's kind of ironic that Hercules The magical powered Hercules like Hercules the strongest man in the world Could be taken down Because he voted for Trump

Everything good must come to an end at some point.

Like I was a fan. I grew up with them.

I was one of the first kids who read Harry Potter in my, in my class. And I remember it because I was in fifth grade and my teacher called over the couple of us who had read it. And she was like, is it okay for my, my kid to read? Cause I'm hearing some stuff that it's like satanic.

Cause if you recall, yeah, there was a big, yeah. They were like, you know, if you read the hidden message in Harry Potter, you know, JK Rowling wants your kid to, you know, suck the devil's dick or whatever.

But now JK Rowling is a piece of shit.

It's like you have to have a touch of... It's like Harry Potter. You have to have a touch of the devil inside you in order to understand what the devil's like.

Harry Potter, just volume one, just volume one, where we're doing some serious world building, right? Tolkien and J.K. Rowling build a world which would be required for the Book of Mormon. Harry Potter, volume one took six years.

J.K. Rowling, Harry Potter author, has been weighing in in a significant fashion.

J.K. Rowling, Harry Potter author, has been weighing in in a significant fashion.

One of the great things about J.K. Rowling's Harry Potter books was that she recognized that system and you can see it in her creation of Beatrix Lestrange who the more that Voldemort abuses his followers the tighter she clings to him.

And one of the great things about J.K. Rowling's Harry Potter books was that she recognized that system, and you can see it in her creation of Beatrix Lestrange, who the more that Voldemort abuses his followers, the tighter she clings to him.

The most repeated listen was Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, which makes a lot of sense.

However, if we read the Bible in a way that treats us like an ancient text with no application to our current day lives, then we might as well read Harry Potter.

The feeling I have right now is the feeling that probably most of the younger people in this audience have when I talk about the Dukes of Hazzard or something. Where you're just like, I don't really know what any of this is. You didn't read it to your niece?

I read the books. She read those herself.

I have started, I have started, um, the first Harry Potter book, Sorcerer's Stone final world to escape to regret it.

I have started, I have started, um, the first Harry Potter book, Sorcerer's Stone final world to escape to regret it.

You'll also find in just about every list, the most challenged series since 2000 is the Harry Potter books.

Yeah, because of Satan.

They received 3,000 challenges and that was from up to I believe 2008 or 9, maybe 2010, from 2000 to 2010.

They received 3,000 challenges and it was because it had satanic overtones or undertones, one of the two.

like I said, she is, I guess, of the devil because a lot of people have a problem with the Harry Potter books.

You'll also find in just about every list, the most challenged series since 2000 is the Harry Potter books.

Yeah, because of Satan.

They received 3,000 challenges and that was from up to I believe 2008 or 9, maybe 2010, from 2000 to 2010.

Yeah. They received 3,000 challenges and it was because it had satanic overtones or undertones, one of the two.

You'll also find in just about every list, the most challenged series since 2000 is the Harry Potter books.

Yeah, because of Satan.

They received 3,000 challenges and that was from up to I believe 2008 or 9, maybe 2010, from 2000 to 2010.

They received 3,000 challenges and it was because it had satanic overtones or undertones, one of the two.

like I said, she is, I guess, of the devil because a lot of people have a problem with the Harry Potter books.

J.K. Rowling, but for her political writing only. Not Harry Potter, absolutely not. No, just the politics.

You have to destroy Harry Potter World, Star Wars Galaxy's Edge or Pandora, the World of Avatar. Which one's got to go?

I am a politician of conviction... I think Harry Potter should be eliminated in all circumstances.

You go to a fucking castle.

The story I tell in the book is about J.K. Rowling and the first Harry Potter book. When she submitted the Harry Potter, I think it was the Sorcerer's Stone, which is the first book to publishers, they were unanimous in their opinion.

I could see Harry Potter and his friends going to Hogwarts for another semester to learn magic.

I know that you don't spend much of your day thinking about Harry Potter, but Harry Potter actually does play into this a little bit. The author of Harry Potter, J.K. Rowling is a left winger, a left wing activist, a feminist. But she thinks that the left has gone too far.

She came out. She put out a long tweet thread, and she signaled this point of view before where she said, look, I support people who are transgender. I support my transgender friends. I want them to be happy. I want them to feel comfortable. But it is simply the case that a woman is a woman, and there's something about being a woman that a man can't be.

And she's trying to, sort of like the Minneapolis mayor, trying to come to this accommodation with the hard left. They are furious at her.

I think she's waking up and saying, gosh, this is not the left that I thought I was a part of. This has gone too far.

I would also point out JK Rowling's really good at what she does and that talent ultimately allows you the freedom to do a lot.

In Salt Lake City, old audio recordings of the Book of Mormon text are a common find.

Trey and Matt, Book of Mormon, basketball, everything they've ever done, I've encouraged it.

Have you read the Book of Mormon?

I know what I want you to do to Book of Mormon that we should do Book of Mormon.

Yeah the movie version.

I think Roxy Velma.

No no no you think Roxy Velma he's Velma he's Velma for sure.

Mike notes that the teaching is part of the Judeo-Christian tradition, which makes it sound as if it appears in the Old Testament of the Christian Bible.

The language is actually from Mosiah chapter 18 of the Book of Mormon.

John Smith, he found some like golden plates that said like,

this shit is important and it led to our podcast.

He found some golden plates that said like, this shit is important and it was in our podcast.

Oh, okay. Respect. That shit's important.

He's like, religion's a naked grandma.

The book of Mormon was great did you see it right holy shit and I hate musicals fucking hate them but wow was it good what's that yeah yeah so we heard South Park get me to go and you screamed it inappropriately so let's get a guy let me let me just let me just explain again I love all cultures and all nations were all brothers and that's all good that being said that being said yeah you turn on the TV and every commercial you see for the home alarm system is some good looking white guys 29 who's raping a chick and kicking open the door and bustling thing and then you go to Times Square and you see a black chick is a Mormon what the fuck did we flip this one around a little bit yeah really it fucking drives me crap that burger and the thing is people don't understand what that burglar alarm white burger of course there's white burglars but there's not only white burger right but it's like I I'll actually fucking just go on that's the white bird that's the preview guy from the party that's a guy from the party by the way he was at the party he left and he comes back is that the guy and he's like let me in or it's like why did you leave the party stupid you could have just raped during the courtroom he he kicked in the door yeah he kicked in the door I love that commercial they all look like this are like good looking dudes who haven't shaved in three days and they're coming back with a conway in 1988 right okay breaking your house some are raping got me some ass well isn't rape if the lead really likes it and his wake falls off probably yeah they're all here's here's a nice montage of good looking white guys who are now doing forced entry style robbery yeah but the black guy in the commercial is actually the helpful guy at the call center going right right right right away yeah it really drives me crazy but nobody gives it should enough to go on a rant about it when you're in your personal life and you're talking to people what the fuck are they doing it's always the same fucking burglar alarm no in my book I would mention this phenomenon where it's just strictly thank you strictly white guys breaking into houses and by the way it's not like we don't commit crime whether we do a different kind of crime so we're self crime white we steal when you're sleep from your bank account that's so much yeah thinking in the front door with the broken glass and whatnot but uh yeah I said it would be really confusing if you had an alien come down to this planet have watched TV for a year and then tour the prison systems they go wow are these black criminals stupid because the white guys commit 100% of the crime yet they almost never get caught or maybe they wouldn't know what the prison was that think it was a place of honor and the guy the guy for the guards were in prison and the other people were all guarding those few dangerous white people so the guy the black guy this eyeball missing you know give me your mother fucking shoes will be guarding the white guy absolute I fucking love that guy's name was Ali from scared straight by the side that was it yeah scared three 10 years later 20 years later I always watch the updates to see what happens all right scared straight makes me think of did anyone see the uh scared straight like I think it was a TV series or something or documentary with um Scott Valentine who played Nick this is another family time we don't watch yes I know oh yeah you know I'm talking about you can you play justine Bateman's boyfriend oh yeah he did all but he also he also starred in an anti-drug campaign great story okay that's awesome and that was worth the wait listen do not send her back she has a needing disorder she'll be vomiting all night please don't don't cheer that sorry yeah those are good stories that was awesome yeah white criminals a lot of white criminals I just find it hard to believe that no one knows what I'm talking about it's that no one cares it's not that we don't have there's a difference see there you go there you go see yeah the book of Mormon all right so my black Mormons and we have white rapids are breaking the house this okay and again I don't mind a white criminal once in a while of course they're this but when everyone is sprinkling sprinkle in a blanket it's okay black people just a black guy yeah maybe they wanted to hire a black actor but they're all in prison that's right oh maybe he was just late oh boy me and Tracy Morgan after going to sorry but anybody actually gonna believe his PSA don't make fun of homosexuals they're ruined your fucking life sponsored by men who are afraid of being fucked in the ass metaphorically so force but out of list of the 27 highest grossing musical acts of the last year all right number one is your favorite you two oh yeah 195 million bucka bucka bucka bucka bucka bucka bucka bucka bucka bucka bucka bucka bucka bucka bucka bucka bucka that's everything if you go where are they from Ireland yes I could speak if I walked around there and said just pulled guys over on the stream go what do you think abana douche bag I think we think he's I think they don't they don't like them on that yellow glasses. They've had up here that fed up with him and it's fucking boring speeches

The Book of Mormon.

I would recommend the Book of Mormon for you. I think that might...

It's funny you saw Book of Mormon.

And if you got one person to talk to you or one person to take a Book of Mormon, that was a good day.

He was saying he hasn't even read the Book of Mormon.

And to hear him talk about it, he was saying he hasn't even read the Book of Mormon.

It is very strange that he hasn't read the Book of Mormon.

All my homies had read it multiple times before going on their mission. And they read it like right before their mission to just like script up on it. Like learn.

And for him, it's almost like, are you going to like make your parents proud for whatever reason? Or are you going? That's it.

How have you ever seen the musical The Book of Mormon?

It's they they have all their research done just like this just like the site I the South Park Scientologist shit right.

Oh that scene in South Park where they did that whole like explanation of what.

Yeah they.

You know what he's talking about right now?

South Park like ran an episode thing where they were talking about Scientology and it was basically this entire rundown of the lore of Scientology because it was kind of kept under wraps for a while of like what Scientologists actually even fucking believed in.

And then it got leaked somehow I guess and honestly I think that South Park running this episode was the first time that like it was kind of publicly on a larger scale made aware of what they actually.

Large scale.

Yeah.

And it would be like this whole story and then there was like this caption like right below and very bold lettering and was like this is what Scientologists actually believe.

And it was just this insanity about like fucking alien ghosts like being trapped inside a volcano and then the ghosts like escaped and then they're in the bodies of like humans now on Earth.

They did a Mormon episode too.

I don't know if you've seen that.

Dum dum dum dum dum.

I think some of the viewers will definitely have seen it.

I think I have.

I've seen a lot of episodes of South Park.

They deep dive into the lore though and then they just absolutely fucking skewer it.

And Book of Mormons you know kind of the same thing.

Yeah.

The Book of Mormon is always relevant. The Book of Mormon is the story, if you think about it, of two peoples who can't live next to each other. That's the problem we have in a lot of parts of the world. The Book of Mormon begins and ends with the destruction of a people.

And it's going to tell us how to build and maintain faith. That's where we're going to kind of go today. This is probably the finest chapter of how to do that, and then we'll talk as we get into Amulek in particular, the single greatest theme of the Book of Mormon, what I call the immediacy of Jesus in one's life.

If you examine members of the church or believing people of other faiths, that's exactly what you find. Now, we have our problems. We can be self-righteous. We can be judgmental. We're trying to be as good as we can, but the soul is being enlarged.

The fruit isn't just precious. It's most precious. There's nothing more precious than it.

And it's not just sweet. We have an expression, how sweet it is. Okay, well, you want to know what the sweetest thing? It's the fruit of the tree of life. It's God's love. It's sweet above all that is sweet, and it is white above all that is white.

That returns our whole mindset back to the Book of Mormon.

This book really changed my understanding of human history and where we came from.

At some point it was just amoebas and then eventually these amoebas evolved to Tyrannosaurus rexes and it took billions of years he said what AI now is an amoeba but it'll get to T rex in about 10 years and I think he's right

Sapiens, that's one of those books that I read a couple times because it just, I got so much insight from it.

It was between Homo Deus and Sapiens. I was like the meat in the sandwich there that was kind of a cool thing as an author as they're real famous books and It turns out if you can increase the electrical power in your brain you can increase your IQ.

New from world-renowned historian Yvall Noah Harari, author of the number one international bestseller sapiens comes the second volume in his middle grade series unstoppable us available now wherever books are sold.

Douglas Murray's attack on "Sapiens" author Yuval Noah Harari ignoring the importance of a classical education curriculum

Douglas Murray if you would teach a child, uh the bible, Plato, Shakespeare

I think I can say with 100% certainty, all of that will still be useful in 20 years time, and it'll be useful in 50 years time, and a hundred years time, and more is the pity that so many modern education systems don't give you any sight of yes because later, well because then you don't know what you're grounded in and the problem is then you don't know the waters you're swimming in, so many of us those kids who are out there chanting for things they have no idea what they're saying, they're not grounded to anything related to reality of media that lies to them, education system that lies to them and everything else, but we better start fixing it.

Real quick, I'm sure we've mentioned this book on the podcast before but Sapiens A Brief History of Humankind by Yuval Noah Harari is a fantastic read and deals with a lot of this stuff in depth in a very, I would say understandable and intelligent and pretty poetic way.

Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned sapiens Harari's doing some great work Not everybody loves him but I think I read every book I would just say a very good science communicator

The whole homo deus phenomenon, as for example illustrated in the book by Yuval Noah Harari on artificial intelligence, this idea of transhumanism that actually we should go for this and turn human beings into gods seems to me to be incredibly dangerous and it's the height of pride, arrogance, and it is very destructive.

He has shown millions of readers how humans have evolved to where we are now, but what does the future hold for us as a species?

He is best known for his bestselling books, 'Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind', 'Homo Deus: A Brief History of Tomorrow' and '21 Lessons for the 21st Century'.

You can pre-order the 10th anniversary edition of 'Sapiens', here: https://bit.ly/48JVQ6c

Right now, I read the book a long time ago, but I wanted to hear it again. It's called Sapiens by Yuval Noah Harari. I hope I'm pronouncing you right. Yuval, hopefully, you've heard of him before. Get it? So this is a book about how we started as a human species, and it explores everything from then to now and compares and contrasts all different ages of the human life, really. It's really, really cool. Check it out if you can.

It reminded me of this book called Sapiens by oh my god, Yuval Noah Harari.

He talks about how the agricultural revolution more so resulted in the domestication of man rather than us domesticating plants like wheat and shit.

And now? No. I was just reading that shit. And nothing's going on that day. She just comes in, grabs the book, and fucking throws it across the room, starts screaming.

In Yuval Noah Harari's book, Sapiens, he argues that our societies are almost entirely constructed around stories.

He just recommended a book which I'm really interested in that. I wanted to tell you about okay, because it sounds like it's right up here 1491 alley, okay called sapiens. All right a brief history of humankind.

It has a pretty remarkable thesis which is that humans can Humans didn't kill each other off Because they can cooperate in large numbers Because we have a ability a unique ability animals don't have to believe in things that exist only in our imagination huh, like government and money and God right and he said all of these things allow us to cooperate Like we talked about in our money episode.

He said it was amazing So and thank you for relating that.

He just recommended a book which I'm really interested in that. I wanted to tell you about okay, because it sounds like it's right up here 1491 alley, okay called "Sapiens". All right a brief history of humankind.

It has a pretty remarkable thesis which is that humans can Humans didn't kill each other off Because they can cooperate in large numbers Because we have a ability a unique ability animals don't have to believe in things that exist only in our imagination huh, like government and money and God right and he said all of these things allow us to cooperate Like we talked about in our money episode.

He said it was amazing.

He just recommended a book which I'm really interested in that. I wanted to tell you about okay, because it sounds like it's right up here 1491 alley, okay called sapiens. All right a brief history of humankind Oh, that sounds neat by Yuval Noah Harari love that guy and the

It has a pretty remarkable thesis which is that humans can Humans didn't kill each other off Because they can cooperate in large numbers Because we have a ability a unique ability animals don't have to believe in things that exist only in our imagination huh, like

He just recommended a book which I'm really interested in that. I wanted to tell you about okay, because it sounds like it's right up here 1491 alley, okay called "Sapiens".

All right a brief history of humankind Oh, that sounds neat by Yuval Noah Harari love that guy and the

It has a pretty remarkable thesis which is that humans can Humans didn't kill each other off Because they can cooperate in large numbers Because we have a ability a unique ability animals don't have to believe in things that exist only in our imagination huh, like

Government and money and God right and he said all of these things allow us to cooperate Like we talked about in our money episode. Yeah, it's like money has that paper has no value We just all agreed so it's essentially fiction right the whole concept of money, right?

And just to give your listener some context, one of the three authors on this New York Times article is famous for writing this book, Sapiens.

I'm thinking about my guest Yuval Noah Harari, the author of Homo Deus and Sapiens.

His amazing international bestselling books, Sapiens, Homo Deus, and 21 Lessons for the 21st Century.

By the way, reading that book helped me because that context and perspective I think is so important in understanding who you are and how you fit into this world and why you got there and why you got there.

As Sapiens author Yuval Noah Harari said, on this show actually, so if you missed that episode, go back and catch it. It was great.

Now, what stood out to me is that I know that Sapiens is one of your favorite books.

We've had everyone from Yuval Noah Harari, the author of Homo Deus and Sapiens.

His amazing international bestselling books, Sapiens, Homo Deus, and 21 Lessons for the 21st Century.

By the way, reading that book helped me because that context and perspective I think is so important in understanding who you are and how you fit into this world and why you got there and why you got there.

That's like the book Sapiens. Yeah, that basically we've all One of the things we've created here is we've imagined ideas that we all share ideas of beauty ideas of truth Ideas of fairness we've all created together and there's it doesn't exist outside of us as a society and no it only exists to us

There's a great book Sapiens from Noah what is Yuval Harati um it's a great book but it just it outlines the history of the human race and these various tribes that have dealt with like weird shit like that like there's there's certain tribes that like when they see like old ladies that are moving too slow yeah they just kill them.

Did you read Sapiens?

It's a evolutionary book about human history.

What is Noah Yuvall-Harradi?

I think that's his amazing writing down.

Yeah, it's a great book.

They would talk about these nomadic tribes that would

Yeah, that's it. Yuvall Noah-Harradi, I fucked up his name.

They would talk about these nomadic tribes that would kill the old ladies.

F. Scott Fitzgerald's masterpiece, The Great Gatsby, describes the story of a man who desperately tried to climb the social ladder.

Gatsby believed in the green light, the orgiastic future that year by year recedes before us. It eluded us then, but that's no matter. Tomorrow we will run faster, stretch out our arms farther and one fine morning. So we beat on, boats against the current, born back ceaselessly into the past.

Republicans also pushed legislation that would have banned books like Maya Angelou's book, I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings, or George Orwell's 1984, or F. Scott Fitzgerald's The Great Gatsby.

Republicans also pushed legislation that would have banned books like Maya Angelou's book, I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings or George Orwell's 1984 or F. Scott Fitzgerald's The Great Gatsby.

In his blue gardens, men and girls came and went like moths amid the whispers, the champagne and the stars.

I can't, I read that and say, that's why I am not a novelist. Yes. And he is.

So many recommendations like Great Gatsby, Moby Dick, Catcher in the Rye.

You have the outsiders, great Gatsby, the notebook, water for elephants of those four.

I don't know who that is. She wrote Great Gatsby, right?

I love her in Great Gatsby. Love that queen.

Wrote herself into Great Gatsby, actually.

She was like Stephanie Meyer in Twilight. She did a little cameo.

F. Scott Fitzgerald once wrote that there are no second acts in American lives.

The great writer that he was, F. Scott Fitzgerald, was not a Detroiter because we fall but this city always gets up and I want to tell you Detroit that you done set me up for a comeback.

And so like, it's a book you have to read not when you're older, but like when you reread it when you're older, you, you go, oh, I didn't even understand all these things that I was missing.

Great Gatsby. I just think that you had to be married.

You could probably like take a really great novel like The Great Gatsby, run it through an AI video creator, and it would just make you the most amazing version of The Great Gatsby.

Like the quintessential example from my life is that when I was a teenager, I hated the Great Gatsby. I thought it was...

I wrote a paper that I still have, that I should destroy before I die, but I wrote a paper that I still have in which I called the Great Gatsby a bunch of rich Yankees with Yankee problems.

And like the lack of understanding in that characterization of the Great Gatsby is a reminder that like one star Goodreads reviews are not necessarily reflective of the quality of a work.

Yeah. And from The Great Gatsby, right? Is that what you thought of it?

I think it's Jordan Baker's aunt is mentioned and it's like Mrs. Sigourney Faye or something like that.

also one other thing about him is that it's pretty much a certainty that Jay Gatsby From the Great Gatsby was based on George Remus because he had met F. Scott Fitzgerald at some point

Have you read The Rise of the Colored Empires by this man Goddard?

Like that's literally they're the same guy. Lothrop Stoddard is the same kind of like public intellectual.

If you've read The Great Gatsby in high school, right, you've probably run across references to Stoddard's work.

Tom Buchanan, the male antagonist in the book and prototypical chud, tells the narrator at one point, quote, civilization's going to pieces.

I've got to be a terrible pessimist about things.

Have you read The Rise of the Colored Empires by this man Goddard?

And Goddard in the book is a reference, a thinly veiled reference to Lothrop Stoddard, right?

F. Scott Fitzgerald said the test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in the mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function.

I'm really the most again. Didn't he do that with the great Gatsby? He did like a few times.

And he goes to the classic gig where his character's struck from taxi and he ends up getting angry and he sits down and he just reads- Great Gatsby.

I like that image of the green light across the water in The Great Gatsby.

The initials of the author F.S.F.

The Great Gatsby

So there are a lot of critics saying we should really shorten this period

So he wasn't really incentivized to write another great Gatsby from 1940 to 2021 because that dude was in his grave

But the great Gatsby didn't enter the public domain until 2021

They don't get it which by the way, it's which is another book that is very similar to the Harry and Meghan situation It's called like don't don't be simpin right to Gatsby was This is like your favorite.

So he's And what is it? Mabel the girl Mabel no in Gatsby. Oh, I forget her name. I forget her name

But so he's great. So rather than go and find some Zelda rather than go and find some other girl He's got a completely changed his entire identity He's got a by-manchin directly across the bay from hers

He's got to and then eventually he holds these parties to try to get her in but but no the professor says That's not good enough because I won't teach it as as as the dangers of simping no no no no no

It's we're gonna make Gatsby black and teach it this way which totally changes the novel has nothing to do with what the story was And sets it up in a complete different way

But then I've like I like never read The Great Gatsby Because that's like A high school book

Terrible cover. Equally terrible book, right?

The book sucked ass, right? Can we agree?

I hated The Great Gatsby. It's a terrible book.

I loved the movie. I thought the movie was fantastic.

Yeah right, it's like well I mean I could stay here and obviously learn this is a very these are very smart people but like what if I could just send Malcolm Gladwell an email and what if I could just like meet him wouldn't that be really cool.

So many recommendations like Great Gatsby, Moby Dick, Catcher in the Rye.

I think about JD Salinger one of my favorite books is Catcher in the Rye Jay he only wrote one book and then he checked out into a subterranean passage in New Hampshire and he probably wrote I think was 30 other books but he never published one of them so how do you develop this kind of philosophy well you stop plugging in to the cultural majority and doing whatever everyone is doing and you do you take a radical act and you start thinking for yourself and I think that's the power of the eight forms of wealth the book is based around it's a framework it's a Mount Everest for the eight most important elements of a life well lived doesn't mean you're going to do them all in a day but every day you advance on growth on wellness on family on craft on money on community on adventure and on service and you start to think for yourself and I guess what I'm trying to say is you start to live your own life versus your neighbor's life and I think that's a powerful way to live no one wants to get to our last day and say we lived like the tribe we lived like our neighbors.

His delusional killer, inspired by the novel The Catcher in the Rye and enraged by John's atheism and earlier claim about the band being bigger than Jesus, remains in prison to this day.

politicians would justify banning books that used it like Catcher in the Rye from schools

We were working on some Holden Caulfield, you know, Catcher in the Rye scenes, you know, and other scenes that he worked at because we were trying to get me an agent and so forth.

And he also had a copy of J.D. Salinger's Catcher in the Rye. Ah. In a plastic bag.

So this guy is literally just taking pieces from other people. He's like BTK. Yeah he's the fucking BTK of celebrity murderers.

Catcher in the Rye? Come on. Yeah literally go fuck yourself.

...and then just fucking re-catch her in the rye if you haven't already because you're a phony if you haven't and but don't bring it anywhere with you to do any bad things because I bet J.D. Salinger is so sick of that.

J.D. Salinger is sick of that shit. I'm sick of that shit. He's had enough of your shit.

If you're in high school, that was Mark David Chapman.

Yes, because he's the one that shot John Lennon.

Right. And he had John Lennon sign Catcher in the Rye.

Which is just like, all right, calm down. I mean, Jesus, like, come on.

If you're in high school, that was Mark David Chapman.

Yes, because he's the one that shot John Lennon.

Right. And he had John Lennon sign Catcher in the Rye.

It came out in either the late 50s or the early 60s.

In 1960, a teacher who assigned it to his class for reading got fired.

It's one of my favorite books.

And it's one that I've reread several times over the years and it always takes on a little different meaning depending on my age, which is interesting.

It came out in either the late 50s or the early 60s.

Because in 1960, a teacher who assigned it to his class for reading got fired.

It's one of my favorite books.

And it's one that I've reread several times over the years and it always takes on a little different meaning depending on my age, which is interesting.

It came out in either the late 50s or the early 60s.

Because in 1960, a teacher who assigned it to his class for reading got fired.

It's one of my favorite books.

And it's one that I've reread several times over the years and it always takes on a little different meaning depending on my age, which is interesting.

He published The Catcher in the Rye in 1951.

It dropped like a neutron bomb on America and essentially created the current popular image of a teenager.

Especially disaffected, disillusioned teenagers who are starting to realize, like, the world is not what they've been told it is their entire lives up to that point.

Phony, perhaps? He started that. Yeah, phony.

And that's pretty much all you need to know. We can end the episode here, really.

More than 11,000 books have been challenged since 1982, Josh. That's just since 82. I was reading about The Catcher in the Rye.

It came out in, wow, man, I wish I knew. It came out in either the late 50s or the early 60s. Because in 1960, a teacher who assigned it to his class for reading got fired.

It's one of my favorite books. It's one that I've reread several times over the years and it always takes on a little different meaning depending on my age.

Unfortunately, ACAB includes the person who tried to get me to read Catcher in the Rye.

Catcher in the Rye was a good book.

Unfortunately. ACAB includes the person who tried to get me to read Catcher in the Rye.

I do not care about Caulfield I do not care about Catchers and the Rye

And uh and uh uh the salinger book the catcher the ride because that's responsible for killing Lenin shooting Reagan like taught nice like okay well so these fucking dummies use it as their thing right so now I can't enjoy it like to fuck yourself yeah there's too many interpretations there's too many perspectives there's too many people you just have to be a reasonable person be nice do your shit do your best and you know look we work together all the time man people are laughing yeah yeah people are having a good time yeah like and and it's not it's also like what's your intention yeah it's not my our intention is to create right our intention is to come up with funny thing and like me as a person who enjoys standup I like sitting in the back of the O.R. and watching someone kill I fucking love it's the best I told somebody like I'm a Jim Rat but for comedy clothes yeah yeah I've been seeing you for 27 years yeah just hanging out I mean to be able to wear in Vegas and some kid was like what do you he was a chef at uh this place yellow tail and and he was just saying like being a chef you just fucking have to cook for 12 10 years 10 12 years just like it's hard and shooting I was like I've known him for 28 years yeah he's been going to clubs for 33 years yeah like that's the only thing that Matt it just makes sense yeah it's fair it's like it's an economy that you understand if the idea is good enough you will get this response and there's not there's not really politics there's not there's preferences but there's not like you know like oh uh have him although you got the fact that you got banned from the stores hilarious um that is like from a movie like we'll ban we have to ban one of them uh but uh but and you want in the end as it were but um but it is a fair thing and it is like the only people as rock says we're like X-Men where it's like they they're always mad at the X-Men they're always mad at the X-Men but like you fucking he's until like the X-Men yeah you're mad you're you're mad at Louis but fucking he went on stage on the line fuckers hilarious yes if he walked on stage they would stand up and and give him standing motivation yes and there's also it's also that it's almost that corporate thing where it's like if if um you know Chinese slaves are making phones did they make this one right like that this one like whereas with Louis it's like this one guy is responsible for all institutional sexism it's like no he's not he's a fucking he just was a dumb he just was dumb and he handled he was dumb from beginning to end and about it yes he was fucked he just fucked up and it was stupid um but he doesn't have to take the fall you know for whatever like yeah he is valuable yeah he's valuable he's valuable to our culture he creates a lot of I don't think of stand up this way where it's like you create joy for people like I never think of that way but he did create a lot of thought and joy like yeah he's responsible for a lot of positive shit I mean that is what the art form is yeah you're literally changing a person's state and then I mean and as an audience member I still love it and that was uh that was a struggle for me early on because I was jealous like I'd see people doing well and I wasn't doing well like god I wish I was doing that I wish I wrote that joke yeah I wish I was doing that show I wish I was and then I realized like oh this is like totally unproductive like yeah the opposite of productive it's negative yeah they can be activating in terms of like if you turn it into willy then work harder right well but the problem is like I wish I did that like that part of his no good or god why is he have to get this that part of his just no positive to that but what is positive you watch someone kill go god damn he's funny I gotta go to work yeah that's good but the hate part yeah like it's taking it out on him is like spanish yeah it's not it's counterproductive it's really common I think it's then 11 year old it's that's your first that's the easy reaction like no yeah yeah yeah the 11 year old and then and then it's like okay but what am I what's underneath it what's underneath it is like respect I don't and then there's certain people that it's like I've never hated Brian Riegan right right right name like nice and also like there's so yeah and he's fucking hilarious in a way that's just like I don't know this fucking dude this dude's funny he's so funny and so clean you could take your grandma to see him and never worry for a second I go where's he going with this yeah grandma get sensitive oh fuck I gotta get a drink yeah he's just he's one of those rare cats like gaffigan that figured out a way to make clean justice Sebastian too though yeah like Sebastian so I always forget he's clean and Nate Bargazze is now like getting into that area where he's like clean southern accent like it's a big it's like it's a good place to be but he's fucking so funny if you're naturally inclined to do that yeah yeah like if yeah if you're forcing yourself to it um but uh yeah I think that there's a ton of value in in standup I mean it's it seems so obvious but it's like and I think Netflix must there must be some metric in Netflix where they at a certain point they're losing a ton of programming meaning all of their shit's licensed Disney's taken all their shit back in like a year or two a lot of like parent like all of these places are starting their own apps so they're gonna lose and I think they realize like a lot of Netflix is standup and documentaries and I think they must be in terms of like they can never monetize it in terms of like if the alley Wong special begat this much money but if it costs them 500 grand to get alley Wong's first special including product everything they made a lot of money you know what I mean like they and it's millions of people watched it and like as well as you know it's fucking great so like they it's just a cool it's just the coolest thing I can imagine I agree like I agree that's why you're good at it though man I mean that's that's to have that appreciation respect for something that you enjoyed doing that is actually your your your your your surracuitation means beautiful thing we're really really forged yeah and the gifts that we get like a lot you know the main like and it's all for it's all from comedy yeah glasses shoes car yeah everything you're doing yeah basically like every single thing is from just a personality part yeah yeah and like creativity we're grinding too I like grinding I really do it when I'm doing three four shows a nine I get a kick out of it I'm like here we go this is how things get good work a joke out yeah the best that's how they come alive yeah I gotta wrap this up yeah yeah tell people your podcast how you feel find it's on the on cuz I'm fucking I'm excited to do it with her yeah very cool yeah it's great we get chemistry and um and it's iTunes everywhere so go check it out it's just me it's like this except it's like this yeah it's like this yes except there's a higher pitch voice just a good yeah exactly not much higher and you know you got a pretty she's yeah it's kind of high right all right bye everybody

Same with the Salinger. Yeah. Catcher on the Rye, that was it. Except he wrote short stories too but I mean like he never published another novel.

Same with the Salinger. Yeah. Catcher on the Rye, that was it.

I don't know if J.D. Salinger had that with Ketra and the Rye.

Remember that podcast we did with J.D. Salinger? The only time he'd ever been interviewed. And I did a whole podcast with him and I asked him all the stuff everyone's ever wanted to ask him, like who is Holden Caulfield? What's the inspiration?

Same with the Salinger. Yeah. Catcher on the Rye, that was it. Except he wrote short stories too but I mean like he never published another novel.

In Catcher in the Rye, Holden says that his loaded grandmother has been losing her marbles a little bit and has been sending him money for his birthday multiple times a year.

It's just a happy coincidence.

You ever recapture on the rye Nia? Oh my god.

The Art of the Deal or Promises to Keep?

If you're gonna actually read art of the deal, don't let anybody see you do it.

That's a Kindle read.

Donald Trump, let's just say Donald Trump loses this election, Clay, this fall. He goes back to having a big family, lots of healthy, happy kids. The grandkids got billion dollars. I know he's got the legal stuff, but he'll beat all that, too. He has another life. He had another life before politics.

Like that he was, one book that he would actually read like according to Ivana Trump.

But this guy wrote The Art of the Deal.

And if you read The Art of the Deal, which, of course, is sort of Trump in a book, in a single book, it is about doing this this style of dealmaking.

And even including his tweets, which were consciousness of his guilt in 2018, his legal filings where he admitted that this was a reimbursement and all of the books that he wrote proclaiming how you got to be Donald Trump.

You know, he wrote that book, The Art of the Deal.

I knew House was the head of the publishing house that did art of the deal, lifelong friend for Cohn, et cetera, et cetera.

Trump himself has said in his books he prized loyalty.

Tim O'Brien, who literally wrote the book about Trump businesses and record keeping and all that sort of stuff and lying about his wealth level, which got you sued by Donald Trump, a lawsuit that he lost, you won.

I just gotta say like the art of the deal is the biggest sham book in the world.

The guy is literally the worst negotiator ever.

Like he's must have never read how to win friends and influence people because it's unbelievable.

I got so into reading about this once I understood it and realized, okay, now I understand Donald Trump, that I wrote an 11,000 word article. It was originally like 17,000 words for The Atlantic.

My last book was called 'The Deal' and Harper Collins published it. And it is just essentially it teaches you how to negotiate in any field.

You know this is the guy who wrote, you know, the art of the deal and cultivated an impression of himself as the guy who fires people and the guy who loves to take advantage of losers and dopes.

She calls her sequel to Trump's book The Art of the Deal, The Art of the Steal.

maybe second to his own book, The Art of the Deal, the best book.

If only we had a president that wrote a book about the art of the deal.

He was doing little fist bumps if you read Art of the Deal too.

Sweden does have at least one big Republican fan. His name is Donald Trump. How do we know this? Donald Trump pretended to be of Swedish ancestry for decades, including the line in his book, The Art of the Deal.

The Trump family was German, but pretended to be Swedish to avoid angering Jewish tenants during World War II and then just kind of went with it because it seemed cool.

But he's taking - this is like we said last week. He's buying his cards at sticker price.

The Bible is the only book better than art of the deal

And that's the thing Donald Trump makes the worst deals over and over again.

He wanted to exclude his own statements and speeches and statements that he's made in books claiming that he doesn't really write his own books. They're ghost written and therefore it's here say and those words can't be attributed to him.

...the fact that defendant Trump suggests that books he authored and sold under his name may not in fact contain his own statements because he wrote those books with ghost writers goes to the weight and not to the admissibility of those evidence of the evidence you said it these are your words stop trying to run away from your own conduct is what the DA is saying right here...

I joke very much so they always hold up the art of the deal I say my second favorite book of all time but I just think the Bible is just something very special.

I did the apprentice and I did lots of books that were big, big, big, big sellers. Even now I have books that are tremendous sellers.

starts with him like reading his son a copy of the art of the deal and telling his daughter to build the wall with toy blocks.

But then again, I didn't write the art of the deal. Neither did he.

but again neither Trump nor I wrote the art of the deal

My family, his books were on the shelf. There was The Art of the Deal, there were the books about him, there was Trump.

He's, I mean the man is on a book tour right now going and sitting down Sean Hannity of course it's like the biggest Trump booster of all time and trying to get back in good with conservative media.

gotta love trump he said the greatest fucking he said the second greatest book of all time is his book the art of the deal and then the right behind the bible

Gotta love Trump, he said the second greatest book of all time is his book, The Art of the Deal, and then right behind the Bible.

gotta love trump he said the greatest fucking he said the second greatest book of all time is his book the art of the deal and then the right behind the bible

gotta love trump he said the greatest fucking he said the second greatest book of all time is his book the art of the deal and then the right behind the bible

I have [read it], I read it a long time ago when it first came out.

I think there were lessons to be learned.

I think of Trump much more as a marketer than a negotiator.

Is there a Chapter 11 in Art of the Deal?

This is the most important chapter in the book.

First, don't pay. Second, say you're broke.

The follow up to Art of the Deal.

By the way, if you're in that hurricane, yeah, good luck That's the president's Look America, it's about time. We had a president without a soul.

Joe Biden, basically, I got to give it to him. He's a man. He must have read the art of the deal, right? Some Donald Trump. The big ask. Joe Biden allows wave after wave of criminal migrant to come in this country and then says, how about we stop it at 5000? And that's a deal. Brutal.

So Vivek read it, he realized, oh, I can legally do it. Those guys were lying to Donald Trump because they are deep state and you can go in and reorganize and reformat the actual organizations themselves, the FBI themselves. You can gut, you can just terminate the FBI. You can't fire the individuals, but you can terminate the service and then reposition or lay off the individuals.

I was just thinking like, you know, when I was younger at my cousin, she lives in Mexico, she said it's so cool that, you know, you live in America, because you're able to be an entrepreneur and start a business. And she's like, you know, in Mexico, it's so corrupt and people if you mess with somebody that has power or if you start a business and it's successful and knocks out somebody big, they'll just literally burn your business down, you know, hypothetically or what's the word? They'll do it. They'll actually burn it down or whatever. And so but so when I lived in America, I'm thinking like, oh, this doesn't happen in America, but now I'm starting to see. I mean, I think things don't happen in America, quote unquote, because people are we're supposed to theoretically have laws and a culture that that that that prevent these things. But you know, if you have corruption though, is that what I'm saying? And I think it becomes more rampant as all parts of culture fall apart.

You know there if you go read Dale Carnegie's how to win friends and influence people it's a really good book for this kind of situation.

Like he's must have never read how to win friends and influence people because it's unbelievable.

How to win friends and influence people whatever that I've read that three times.

actually started reading books like thinking grow rich rich dad poor dad how to win friends and influence people and it really just taught me how to change my level of thinking

You wish you read more Dale Carnegie, you know, than, than listening to Rodney Dangerfield albums because I probably could have learned some more.

Still a really useful book.

How to Win Friends and Influence People is an amazingly useful book.

I think it was Carnegie who said that the one word that the person would always prefer over all the other words in the vocabulary is his name.

Dale Carnegie's principle number six from How to Win Friends and Influence People is remember that a person's name is to that person the sweetest and most important sound in any language.

Manson also became fascinated with a popular book by Dale Carnegie called How to Win Friends and Influence People.

This is so strange to hear, that he read Dale Carnegie. Not only read Dale Carnegie, absorbed it.

He's the guy who wrote How to Win Friends and Influence People.

It's an incredible it's one of the best selling books in the history of like writing, you know, say what you will about it. That's undeniable.

Dale Carnegie's How to Win Friends and Influence People is kind of the unofficial con artist's Bible because a lot of those tactics he talks about in terms of building relationships and being successful in business are ideal for getting people to trust you.

Dale Carnegie, you can also find his books at any given estate sale.

Dale Carnegie, you can also find his books at any given estate sale.

Dale Carnegie, you can also find his books at any given estate sale.

Like he definitely didn't read the book. Like he didn't read about how to be a man and use your shoulders, but he's, he's internalized it.

There's these incredible biographies of men and women in history. And some very early personal growth books like Norman Vincent Peale, The Power of Positive Thinking, Dale Carnegie, I mean, Napoleon Hill, all the classics, right?

His favorite book was actually Dale Carnegie's How to Win Friends and Influence People.

So he starts just going around trying to find people that look vulnerable and this is what's called the sewer period.

He would befriend them how to win friends and influence people.

Wait, not the power of positive. How to win friends and influence people.

So the Dale Carnegie effect where you say someone's name, Stephen.

I think Dale Carnegie was right about a lot of things and I think he's right about this one.

I recently reread Dale Carnegie's How to Win Friends and Influence People, and he says basically never tell anybody you disagree with them.

I recently reread Dale Carnegie's How to Win Friends and Influence People, and he says basically never tell anybody you disagree with them.

I think you need to read a go buy a book uh called how to fucking do a kool-aid prank because you went too far

that's when I first picked up a personal development book, Thinking Grow Rich, How to Win Friends and Influence People.

I started reading a lot of books when I was young. You know, I think you grow rich, rich, dad poured out how to win friends and influence people. And then they just kept rolling from there.

How to win friends and influence people were books I read in like the first Year or two out of at a high school and in University 2010 2011 and those books Helped me do a lot of things.

It's a great title because it encapsulates exactly what it is.

It was written in 1931 by Dale Carnegie and has since inspired many people like the first two names on the Wikipedia page.

One, Warren Buffet quote took the Dale Carnegie course on how to win friends and influence people when he was 20 years old and to this day has a diploma in his office.

Or two, Charles Manson. Charles Manson who used what he learned from the book in prison to manipulate women into killing on his behalf.

Yeah, that's actually the sample I'd use. So you could see the spectrum. That's the guy. I would use Manson over Buffet.

The most beautiful sound in the world is the sound of your own name

Remember that a person's name is to that person the sweetest and most important sound in any language

You know that I'm a secret superfan of Dale Carnegie, right?

I am a superfan in how to win friends and influence people.

I'd like just the title, how to win friends and influence people.

And to tell someone they're wrong, first tell them they're right.

I mean, the whole Dale Carnegie shtick is a little distasteful.

So Dale Carnegie 7 habits of highly effective people we've talked about this self-help book.

How to win friends and influence people.

Can't remember the title of the book but I remember how it made me feel sorry but do you remember the chapter or the recommendation?

to be liberal with your compliments to be liberal with your praise.

How to make friends and influence people.

Later, Angela refers to Dale Carnegie's 1936 book How to Win Friends and Influence People, but mistakenly refers to it as how to make friends and influence people.

Paul defined trauma as some event that is aversive, that changes the way that our nervous system works such that we function less well in the future.

The body keeps the score. This book absolutely broke the internet and there's so much to take away from today.

It is interesting indeed that it's so obvious and I actually have gotten, my bookstores sold 5 million copies. I've hardly had any blowback of people who say that I'm getting it wrong. I mean, it's really obvious but we come from a world of medicine where we try to define things very carefully.

I'm just writing a new book, finished last chapter for a new book and I started with a quote from Marcel Proust, in order to change, you need to see the world with new eyes.

So at the end, if you really want to recover from trauma, you need to, we need to help people to change their perceptions of the world. We're not gonna change the world out there, but we're going to change what they see and how they experience themselves and the people around them.

You mentioned that you tried every modality that you put in The Body Keeps the Score. Which is the one that you have found to be either most impactful or the one that you keep coming back to most regularly?

And as my colleague Bessel van der Kolk has so beautifully stated, when it comes to trauma, the body keeps the score.

Have you read that book The Body Keeps the Score?

I haven't read it but it's fucking crazy.

I would also encourage you to read the book The Body Keeps the Score. It's one of the best books about trauma theory and treatment.

It is extremely educational, very eye-opening.

What's the name of Besser Van Der Kolk's book? What's the name of it? Is that the Trauma Stewardship? Nope, that's a phenomenal, phenomenal read. I forgot her name off the top of my head. That's a phenomenal read but no, the name of Van Der Kolk's book is The Body Keeps the Score.

And what made you a great ICU nurse is you could navigate even when your body was falling apart underneath you and now that you've stopped it still registers, man. Yeah, that sounds exactly right.

one of the first books I really dive into is how the body keeps score

Yeah, I mean, the body does keep score. That's a famous psychology book.

If you look at Judith Sarman's work on her most recent book on trauma and healing, she really talks about how injustice is such an impediment to healing from trauma.

there's a book called the body keeps score and Carolyn Mase it was sort of a mystic said your biography becomes your biology it works the other way too from up down right and it's a biography if you're eating crap and you're nutritionally deficient and you have all these health issues and mercury poisoning that can affect your mental health too in your story but we know really clearly that your trauma is influencing your biology

There's a book "The Body Keeps the Score" by everyone talks about a Besser vanil cock or whatever his name is He was dude. This guy was a goat psychologist and they fuck they pulled some bullshit Like me to ish kind of stuff on him where it was like he was inappropriate this book for anyone who like likes this kind of stuff, it's like the Like in psychology, there's like a trauma focused field and it's like I think it's one of the most important things anyone can like learn about at all who like Somewhat feels like their mind might be somewhat out of sorts, which is probably pretty much everybody. Yeah, dude

It's crazy the stuff they talk about how you get just zapped as a kid not realizing it You build your whole personality on these like marbles and they just get like irritated throughout the day. You're like what what? Totally it's fucked up. Yeah, it's fucked up

And then the biology of belief and how energy and how any kind of vibrational frequency that we experience sends a message to ourselves. And we know this through MRIs. We know this through the way we even detect cancer. So this is being used in the medical community. This is not woo-woo, no, no, no, no, no, no.

So, there's a famous book by Dr. Bessel van der Kolk. You probably heard me say it on the show. I used to talk about all the time, especially at the beginning of the show. It's called The Body Keeps the Score.

I think Bessel van der Kolk's really great book, the title I think probably did a lot of disservice and confused a lot of people who never read it and made assumptions about what was in the book.

That whole thing of like the body, you know, the book, The Body Keeps the Score where it's like a whole different situation is happening physically.

I remember learning once that the human brain and the human body aren't necessarily always on the same page. If you're running from danger, if there's a threat and you run from the danger, even when the danger subsides, your body's still in the danger. And I think they talk about something similar in the book, The Body Keeps the Score.

The book, The Body Keeps the Score was one of the first offerings of this idea, this concept that our body is remembering.

A psychiatrist and best-selling author Bessel van der Kolk writes in The Body Keeps the Score, by the way it's a phenomenal book you have to check it out, traumatized people chronically feel unsafe inside their bodies.

And then I got you know once a week therapy amazing people.

I didn't want to put language to it I couldn't I just didn't feel like it like I just felt like gutting through it.

Dr. Paul Conti who is some of you know is a medical doctor and psychiatrist he's been a guest on this podcast first to talk about trauma he wrote an excellent book about trauma I provide a link to that book in the show no captions by the way and he and I did four episodes of the human lab podcast a so called guest series specifically aimed at mental health what it is how to build mental health specific protocols and Dr. Paul Conti is really a great person to talk about.

I highly recommend the book Trauma by Dr. Paul Conti.

He's an MD, medical doctor, psychiatrist.

He was featured as a guest on this podcast. He's been on a number of other prominent podcasts. We will provide a link in our show note captions to the book Trauma.

I consider that book to be the best book in terms of describing what trauma is and isn't and how it leads to PTSD.

It also describes some of Dr. Paul Conti's own experiences with trauma and his own treatment of trauma in his patient population, which is quite wide-ranging: men, women, young people, older people, and a variety of traumatic experiences.

And here again I'm paraphrasing but Dr. Conti describes trauma something that fundamentally changes the way that our brain and body function in a way that makes other aspects of living more challenging again an event either emotional or physical or both that fundamentally changes the way that our brain and our body as our nervous system and other organs function in a way that prevents us from in enjoying daily activities and that could even be ongoing.

I personally think it's the best book on trauma and tools for alleviating traumas incredibly thorough easy to read and well informed.

not realizing the level of energy Your Body Keeps the Score, the level of energy of hate and not willing to forgive that I was keeping in my body which was blocking me from the abundance frequency,

The book 'The Body Keeps the Score' is the number one definitive book on trauma, so dense and insane but what he's done so many studies on people with like PTSD, but even just small forms of trauma and what what it does, yeah, the black and white thinking.

She had mentioned that in her book about stress that you can actually tell people that they seem like the kind of person who can handle this and you see that person feeling better about their own capability and handling a specific situation or problem so that's kind of nice.

one really wonderful book is the body keeps score about trauma

When I interviewed the psychiatrist Bessel van der Kolk for the first time, his book The Body Keeps the Score was about to be published.

And The Body Keeps the Score has become one of the most widely read books in the pandemic world.

His knowledge is so very practically helpful, a distinctively illuminating perspective towards meeting what is happening in our world and inside each of us.

Bessel van der Kolk's work on the brain, the body, and the human reaction to overwhelming experience that we call trauma has met its moment. We've been hearing foundational insights from my first interview with him when his now famous book, The Body Keeps the Score, was just about to be published.

He says we're not teaching people how to get rid of their anxiety. I call it alarm. We're not teaching how to get rid of the alarm. What we're doing is we're teaching you how to acclimatize to it so that when you feel that discomfort, you don't compulsively and relentlessly go into your head for a solution that you'll never find there.

There's this book called The Body Keeps the Score but the title is just the thing that I've actually gained the most from it just says that when there's things going on in our psychology and our mind the body will show it yeah man.

The title of Bessel Colk's Vander Kolk's book is the body keeps the score whether you want to keep it or not.

your body is keeping the score the whole time as Vanderquark says.

You've heard me say over and over the title of the great Bessel van der Kolk's book, The Body Keeps the Score, but the body keeps the score.

Your body is keeping the score as Vander Cook says. It's running and running and running and running.

How many times have you read Moby Dick? 50 is probably reasonable. I'm 50 years old. I read Moby Dick for the first time at the age of 17.

At some point you may have read Moby Dick or pretended to.

I'd like to say that Moby Dick is a book about whaling, I mean, we have been doing this three part series on the history and economics of whaling. Moby Dick isn't really about whaling.

The Essex was a real-life inspiration for Moby Dick by Herman Melville, the whale of all whaling books.

Don't worry, we will hear much more about Moby Dick later in this series.

For my money, Moby Dick is America's Bible. It contained everything that makes us Americans. You know, the diversity, the brutality, the spirituality, its delivery. It's a great, I think, I think it's a great Athenian poem about whaling. It is just one of the great books of all time. For me, it's something I take up continually. I've read it at least 12 times. It became the novel that led me to the reality, the history of Nantucket.

The ship in Moby Dick isn't called the Essex. It's called the Pequod. It's the name of the whale that maimed him on an earlier voyage. Several hundred pages after the Nantucket departure, the Pequod finds a whale which, spoiler alert here, sinks the ship and kills nearly everyone on board other than the narrator, the one who in the book's first line instructs us to call him Ishmael. Where Moby Dick ends is really where the real-life story of the Essex begins.

Just about every kid in America was learning the story of this ship that was rammed by a whale and Melville would use for the climax of Moby Dick.

So many recommendations like Great Gatsby, Moby Dick, Catcher in the Rye.

I'm reading Moby Dick!

What's the awesome part of Moby Dick?

I like it when he sees the whale and he's like, Oh, God, I'm gonna get you if I can hate you whale!

He does kinda say that.

I hollowed out Moby Dick and I filled it with porno.

And that's unfortunate. Moby Dick was just to be a turnout to be a pamphlet.

And she holds up a book, the Moby Dick book.

And it's a real book.

And it's a real book.

He said I could hold it or touch it.

He said I could hold onto it.

And I am locked into a fight with Moby Dick and like and he's like for revenge and and and and like my my palms are sweating this little cane pole is bent in half and sliding out of my hands and I'm just like I can't if I lose this pole I will have to like run away I will have to get in this boat and like go down the inlet to somebody else and find a new like grandparents.

As Herman Melville put it in Moby Dick, these brave houses and flowery gardens came from the Atlantic, Pacific, and Indian oceans. But in all, they were harpooned and dragged up hither from the bottom of the sea.

It's one of my favorite passages about who on the boat got to eat butter for dinner.

And, you know, the captain gets butter. And then as you go down the chain of command, eventually it gets down to Flask, who does not get butter.

And it has one of my favorite sentences in all of Moby Dick, which was, Flask alas was a butterless man.

Of course, Melville makes a lot of it in Moby Dick.

Serenity is kind of like Moby Dick with Sims.

But it's just a tuna fish, right? Yes. It's not like a special fish. It just seems like a large tuna fish.

Like Ahab does to Moby Dick or whatever.

And we are building out, I think, still many more story formats. We are teaching journalists and learning as journalists how to use that. And exponentary journalism, one thing about it is that it's simply long to do that kind of work.

90% of your listeners probably don't know who Starbuck was. He was the navigator on the ship of Herb and Melville's Moby Dick.

But wait a minute. They did shoot Moby Dick in Wales with Gregory Peck. My grandfather worked on it.

Is that true? Is that true?

Yeah, they built three large rubber whales. And one of them, I know, this is a great joke, is like they came to Wales. And one of them sailed off into the Irish Sea, which I think is fantastic.

His friend Edgar was a carpenter and they kind of helped out in the framing of the whales.

I was trying to read Moby Dick myself hard copy, but it was that kind of thing where I just kept falling asleep.

I would get through three pages and then fall asleep.

And then I was like, oh, this is the perfect solution. So I can still hear it. And then it's Phoebe reading it to me.

It's intimidating to look at the size of the book and just read it, but reading out loud, I had no idea how long it takes to read something out loud.

It's of course amazing writing. That's the reason it's a classic, but it's very dense and it's very specific.

I'm currently reading Moby Dick.

Oh, but Canon, but I'm doing it to be trendy. But I'm reading the Cliff's Notes version.

But then the ship is rammed and sunk by a sperm whale and that's when Herman Melville got his fucking idea to write Moby Dick.

And the captain of the vessel swore retribution on the culprit, but then the ship is rammed and sunk by a sperm whale and that's when Herman Melville got his fucking idea to write Moby Dick.

But then the ship is rammed and sunk by a sperm whale and that's when Herman Melville got his fucking idea to write Moby Dick.

These are the complicated relationships that Herman Melville left out of Billy Budd in Moby Dick, you know?

Cirrus and Cordelia are reading Moby Dick to us.

Cirrus and Cordelia are reading Moby Dick to us.

I'm reading Moby Dick at the moment. I like that book by Herman Melville.

All of human science are but passing fables. I like this because when we think of how advanced we are scientifically, here we sit in this great hub of technology. One day it's hard to think, isn't it, that we will look back at this and it will be like some whirring steampunk daft old engine of silly old pistons and buckles and cogs.

Always call me like you've done if you have any Lord Of The Rings questions?

And for those who didn't know, the Lord of the Rings series was mostly filmed in New Zealand. By Peter Jackson. And Peter Jackson was inspired to, one of the key inspirations for him in making Lord of the Rings was Excalibur.

He then went on to found his own venture firm, Narya. He named it after another object from the Lord of the Rings book which just shows how much he really was kind of this Peter Thiel stan.

he looks like he'd be carrying a staff in a Lord of the Rings kind of film something like that

If you're a fan of Lord of the Rings or just honestly documentaries and stuff, it was really crazy.

And what will be like the elves from Lord of the Rings will just go away will be a myth who built these buildings well they say they were angels They're not here anymore

And I picked out one of old, one of part of my favorite novel, J.R.R. Tolkien's book, Lord of the Rings.

And there's a place there where Gandalf, great Gandalf, boy, could I use Gandalf on my staff right now. But Gandalf is this wizard and he's basically an old wizard and all the world's problems are on his shoulders. He's really trying, basically, he's basically trying to save the world from falling under the dominion of darkness and evil and terror. And it's all on his shoulders.

And at one point somebody makes a statement and he begins to laugh. And he laughs from the heart, deep down. And this friend of his looks at him, and in the novel this friend looks at him and says, he suddenly realized that in spite of all this incredible pressure and strain and stress on this old man, that underneath it all there was a fountain of joy that was so deep, a gusher of joy that was so deep that no matter how big a boulder there was put on the top, that gusher of joy could not be held back. And that there was enough mirth down there to set a kingdom laughing.

I don't know if any of you are fans of Lord of the Rings, but you might remember that passage.

There's this old bent man with the weight of the world literally on his shoulders and suddenly he laughs a clear laugh from the heart.

I don't know what they're going to do this the last of the three Lord of the Rings movies about to come out and I don't know what they're going to put in you know they leave things out of the book and they put certain things in and they change a few things and I don't know if this will be in the last movie but it's in the book and if it isn't the last movie I want you to remember this sermon because one of my favorite things in the book is at the very end the returning king you know the true king has come back and he's got it all he's got the lineage he's got the royal line he's got the sword he's got the stature he's got the size he's got the battle skills and he has conquered he has conquered and so they come to the field of Cremalin it's a place where he's going to be honored and there's a throne set up and there's banners everywhere and all the roads lead to the throne and there's the crowd the host has come to see and there's a feasting that's going on and then at the key moment the king steps off of his throne and he's got the returning king and he grabs the two little hobbits he grabs Frodo and Sam Gamgee and puts them on the throne of course they both fit and he turns and he says to the host praise them with great praise and they do that's what Jesus is doing in some cosmic way do you get that Paul got it and once he got that it converted him he spent the rest of his life spinning it out and it converted him more deeply and more deeply and more deeply why would you ever feel poor again when you know you've got the only wealth that's real why would you ever care about what people say about you when you know that your charges against you have been dismissed by the only judge that counts when God beholds you in Christ he sees an absolute beauty that you know the honor of being a Christian secondly when Jesus Christ says why persecutes thou me he's not just saying what's true of me is true of them he's also saying what hurts them hurts me and that's the second amazing killer app I would like to share with you when the resurrected Lord says I am still experiencing the suffering of my people we have an incredible resource for suffering and what we do I know are going through some terrible things and when you go through some terrible things it's natural to say how do I know he cares how could I know he cares how could he care if I'm going through all this only Christianity and we just said this three weeks ago so I won't go very long on this only Christianity even claims that God has suffered only Christianity gives you a God who knows what it's like to lose a son only Christianity gives you a God who's been tortured only Christianity gives you a God who's suffered who's been rejected who's died only Christianity gives you a God who's actually on the cross looked to heaven and said why why of course he cares are you kidding even in heaven he's hurt when you're hurt persecute them he's persecuted me stab them you stab me hurt them you hurt me of course he cares there is no other religion even that makes a claim like that that God has so enmeshed himself in our needs and so bound his heart to our heart that he suffers when we suffer there it is that's one resource but it's not the only resource the other resource is this this is the resurrected Lord saying he hurts for you and you know what this means the resurrection the resurrection the resurrection is a teaching completely defeats the whole idea of suffering people say well why is all this suffering happening I don't know why the particular suffering is happening but I know this when I had a nightmare that my family was dead and then I woke up and saw they weren't the nightmare only enhanced my joy in my family remember the doctrine the Christian doctrine of the resurrection is not just that when we're all raised from the dead and when the whole world is renewed we're not just going to heaven the world is going to be renewed so the Christian doctrine of resurrection is not just that the suffering is going to be eliminated or that there's a suffering is going to have a consolation don't you realize what this means on the field of Cremalin Sam Gamgee said I thought you were dead I thought I was dead is everything sad going to come untrue is everything sad going to come untrue the doctrine of the resurrection engulfs suffering it doesn't just end suffering it doesn't even just console you for suffering the doctrine of resurrection engulfs suffering because what it says is everything sad is going to come untrue all the worst things that have ever happened are going to become a nightmare the resurrection will make all things a nightmare which means the worst suffering that's ever happened to you will only make your eventual joy infinitely greater for it having happened that's the defeat of suffering it's not just ending it not just consoling you for it it's just suffering so the suffering is taken up into the glory and it makes it vastly better that's defeating suffering when the resurrected Lord says I have come into your suffering so that you will come into my glory you got a to defeat her for suffering in your life one last thing and it really is the last thing Jesus identifies with the church so much that he says when you hurt them you hurt me he identifies with the church now I want you to know we don't want to it doesn't matter what church you identify with right now you're embarrassed if you're Baptist there's things to be embarrassed about by Baptist so you're Presbyterian there's things to be embarrassed if you're Episcopalian there's things to be embarrassed it doesn't matter what your church is so let's just not belong to any church let's not identify with any church it's just humiliating if Jesus wasn't afraid to be humiliated if Jesus wasn't above identifying with the church then you shouldn't either why because Jesus says I am present in my people so much so that what happens to them happens to me and if Jesus is present with his people you need to be present with his people you need to be deeply committed to the church you need to be deeply enmeshed participating in the church do you want to be converted do you want to have a more converted life have an untamed God through the Bible resurrection and spin out the implications when Jesus Christ says you are in me and I am in you and that is life and you'll be converted let us pray thank you Father for helping us understand what it means that our lives turned inside out by the truths of the gospel and we've seen some of those truths now and we ask that you would help us to either become converted for the first time or be converted because we have spent this time considering what you did in the life of Paul do that in our lives we ask it in Jesus name Amen Thanks for listening to today's teaching We trust you were encouraged by it and that it gives you new insight into how you can apply God's word to your life each day You can find more resources at www.gospelonlife.com Just subscribe to the Gospel Unlife newsletter to receive free articles sermons devotionals and other valuable resources Again it's all at gospelunlife.com We also invite you to stay connected with us on Facebook Instagram YouTube and Twitter This month's sermons were recorded in 2003 The sermons and talks you hear on the Gospel Unlife podcast were preached from 1989 to 2017 while Dr. Keller was senior pastor at Redeemer Presbyterian Church

One of my favorite things in the book is at the very end the returning king you know the true king has come back and he's got it all he's got the lineage he's got the royal line he's got the sword he's got the stature he's got the size he's got the battle skills and he has conquered he has conquered and so they come to the field of Cremalin it's a place where he's going to be honored and there's a throne set up and there's banners everywhere and all the roads lead to the throne and there's the crowd the host has come to see and there's a feasting that's going on and then at the key moment the king steps off of his throne and he's got the returning king and he grabs the two little hobbits he grabs Frodo and Sam Gamgee and puts them on the throne of course they both fit and he turns and he says to the host praise them with great praise and they do

If you know anything about the history of how he would write, probably every chapter in The Lord of the Rings was written 10 times.

He was trying to... He had this idea in his head of a tree, a beautiful tree. And he was trying to paint a tree.

Before him stood the tree. His tree finished. Its leaves opening, its branches growing and bending in the wind that Niggle had so often felt and guessed, but had often failed to catch.

He gazed at the tree and slowly he lifted his arms and he opened them wide. It's a gift, he said. Suddenly Tolkien realized there is a real tree and someday everybody's going to see it.

And so over the next 20 years, C.S. Lewis wrote the Space Trilogy, Book One, Book Two, Book Three, Narnia Chronicles, Book One, Book Two, Book Three, Book Four, Book Five, Book Six, Book Seven, Screwtape Letters.

He just churned them out and churned them out and Tolkien continually wrote over and over and over again, rewrote, rewrote one book.

All those 37 years he was just working on one book and he never got it done. He thought he would never get it done. And he envied Lewis because he had more problem with envy.

And in the early 40s he actually got so frustrated with his own artistic incompetence and his own envy, in a sense, that he got writer's block and he stopped working on The Lord of the Rings completely.

And one night he had a dream. And when he woke up, he wrote the dream down into a story.

And the story is called Leaf by Niggle.

Kathy and I have a lot of trouble, whoa, have a lot of trouble not crying when we read one chapter in the third volume of Lord of the Rings.

It's called, it's the chapter is the Battle of the Pelliner Fields. It's in the famous Tolkien fantasy trilogy.

There's a hobbit. His name is Meriadoc and he's a little guy. That's what hobbits are.

And he's, he's in this great battle and he, his, his, his beloved king, his friend and father has just been cast down by this towering evil general, a kind of a demonic king.

And Meriadoc is supposed to defend his king who's now lying wounded and dying. And he's absolutely terrified. It says he was just crawling around in the mud blind with terror and he was saying, why can't you get yourself together? You're supposed to be a king's man and here you are terrified.

And he couldn't, he couldn't get the courage up. And the evil demonic king starts to come on to the good king. And suddenly a woman stands up in full armor, throws off her helmet.

Some of you know this, surely. Her name is Eowyn and she stands between the nameless terror and her and her beloved father. And she says, touch him and I'll smite thee. And of course the evil witch king looks at her and says, if you don't get away, I will not only kill you, but you will die in terrible torment.

And what does she say? She just draws her sword and says, okay, do what you will. But if you touch him, I will smite thee.

So the demonic king comes down upon her and starts to crush her into the ground. And when Meriadoc, the hobbit looks up and sees what she's doing, this is what he says. He suddenly, his courage comes up and says, if she is willing to stand there like that, I can do my little thing.

And he jumps up and he attacks this towering inferno of evil. And together, the way the story goes, together Eowyn and Meriadoc do slay the terrible general. What's that mean? I'll tell you what it means.

It's very hard for us to read this thing and not cry. Jesus Christ stands between you and destruction. Justice, death, that's what we deserve.

Death and destruction, the nameless terror. And Jesus Christ stands between us and it's after us. Death is after us. And Jesus says, no, no. You want my brothers and sisters, but I will stand here.

And the Bible tells us that down upon him came our punishment.

And we are as, even as Christians, we are as cowardly and as blinded with terror in our daily lives as Meriadoc, unless occasionally we look up and we see what he is doing for us.

We see what he's done for us. And then your courage will come together and you'll start to say, no, if he's willing to do this, I can do my part.

You become a great heart. You will only answer the totalitarian call. You'll only say, how high do I cut it off?

You will only say that if you see how he was cut utterly off.

You know, Jesus says, cut off your hand, pluck out your eye if I asked you, but Jesus was cut off at the waist.

Jesus was cut off at the roots. He was cut off from the land of the living.

Unless you don't remember the Lord of the Rings when when Gandalf smoked and then he made like a boat out of the smoke

And I would just sit there cross-legged and read Isaac Asimov and Lord of the Rings and all of these books because my mom was like, it's okay for you to do what you want to do, not what you should do.

The thing it reminds me the most of is when I first got a copy of The Lord of the Rings as a child and was like this is the biggest book of all time. It's also three fucking giant books.

Melanie published an enormous memoir in 2018 and like The Lord of the Rings, it has three volumes.

When you're reading a fantasy novel like Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings or Fourth Wing, isn't it interesting that the main character has this ability to pass between worlds?

Lord of the Rings trilogy, 12 years.

Because he likes Lord of the Rings.

I like Lord of the Rings. I guess that makes me weird.

Kind of sounds like The Handmaid's Tale.

Oh, a lot like The Handmaid's Tale.

One of the first things that happens when they're slowly taking over is that they close all the women's banking accounts and have their funds transferred to their husband's accounts.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And somebody obviously got a book in the month club membership last year because not only is she not reading the Iliad she might also not be reading the handmaid's tale she's just like ordering these books and they're on her shelf and she just occasionally quotes them but I just want to explain to Justice Bradley that the political party that is actually associated with forced childbirth and the denigration of women is not the party of the majority in this decision like wrong party wrong book wrong horse

I just think we've got to get back to the basics and restore America to look like The Handmaid's Tale.

I always thought those robes were really cool in the TV show. They look kind of glamorous to me.

You know, he's going to bring in Handmaid's Tale dystopia and all this kind of stuff.

And it's going to be like Handmaid's Tale.

You're going to be in a lot of trouble.

You know who else is the traditional wife? Serena Waterford on The Handmaid's Tale.

Yeah, she's also a sociopath.

And I'm going to tell you, you do kind of get these sociopathic vibes from these videos. They're like, it's like a Stepford slash sociopath vibe.

What did they say on The Handmaid's Tale? Blessed be the fruit.

Oh, blessed be the fruit. Under his eye. Under his eye, yes. Under his eye. Under his eye.

Other than some outtake from The Handmaid's Tale, I mean, if you actually want families, you know, IVF is something you want to encourage, not not punish.

I don't want the handmaid's tale streamed in America for real life when he tries to deport 15 million people.

You got to put them in concentration camps before you can figure out where to deport them.

the Handmaid's Tale. These people are...

Before you tell me that Donald Trump is going to put me in the Handmaid's Tale and I'm going to be at home making sandwiches, at least I'll be the only wife.

The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood.

And as a Canadian, I feel a sort of sense of ownership on that book because, you know, Margaret Atwood is a great Canadian author and we all read it in school.

So I was doing the second season of Top of the Lake in Sydney and it came my way as a script. And I had read the book years ago, but sort of didn't, you know, really remember it that well.

A woman is forced to become a handmaiden to bear children for her mistress's husband.

It is half past Handmaid's Tale.

The picture book I Am Jazz, Kate Bornstein's My Gender Workbook and the YA novel Two Boys Kissing also included as Margaret Atwood's The Handmaid's Tale.

Margaret Atwood's The Handmaid's Tale

And it was one of the inspirations for Margaret Atwood's The Handmaid's Tale, which was based on things that had already happened.

It's also I feel when a very kind of like morose still from the new season of Had Mane's Tale pops up and it's like, I don't know, I kind of can I can I watch something where I don't know, like the good guys win like relatively quickly.

I honestly think reading the clue about the abortion detention got me into a Handmaid's Tale mindset, and I went to Janine.

he was going to various members of his staff and saying hey can i put a baby in you via via sex uh because you'll be my surrogate and his statement was remarkable it said i just got so comfortable with the topic of surrogacy that i forgot that it might make some women uncomfortable to basically do handmaid's tale in my congressional office

We have the Handmaid's Tale It's on my mind

And that is how the very famous Margaret Atwood quote that has been used in The Handmaid's Tale, that men are afraid women will laugh at them. Women are afraid men will kill them, came to be.

The handmaid's tale was a 1990 movie was seen like filmed there, there was actually a scene filmed on the back staircase so that happened before Kathleen's death.

I thought it was a bit of a weak response because I think he should have just led with that. I think it would have been had some gravitas to it.

the handmaid's tale on Hulu is anybody watching that I came home the other day and my mother-in-law she always she watches all these shows that I would never see she started to watch one about it was about this girl who committed suicide and left like a tape

now it's like little house in the prairie meets like an S&M video it's really weird I don't know what was going on like they would they were like these nuns and they were trying to escape this thing and one of them makes it on the subway and the other one doesn't and then next thing you know they got her tied down and they're beating her feet

the handmaid's tale on Hulu is anybody watching that I came home the other day and my mother-in-law she always she watches all these shows that I would never see she started to watch one about it was about this girl who committed suicide and left like a tape and she was watching that one now it's like little house in the prairie meets like an S&M video it's really weird I don't know what was going on like they would they were like these nuns and they were trying to escape this thing and one of them makes it on the subway and the other one doesn't and then next thing you know they got her tied down and they're beating her feet how do you get that job the official like feet beater

because they have skull face tattoos we know who the criminals are and then it turns out once you crack down on the criminal element your country improves

Glenn Close Lost. Was anyone waiting to go home and watch it live?

but you, I couldn't deny my body you couldn't deny your body you guys this is our first episode since our backlog of LA episodes that was so fun we loved all of our guests for that love Lesandro surprised myself with how much we loved it sure I you know what this was the trip or is like I can move here I could do it no stranger to LA who our guest our guest honey because he's been there

two years ago I started reading the book and it terrified me it's very scary and mostly not a fap worthy show

So we were I read the book Handmaid's Tale and we were watching the show together and we have been joking about how everything becomes a musical and how that.

And but yeah like these other shows that you see like I mean first of all how many people had to die just so they could make Spider-Man.

Offred is June and she like moves to New York to become a barista and is pursuing her dreams and all this stuff and then just winds up a handmade and as you do.

Honestly though like the the Hamids tell the musical, okay so did this come from being a huge fan of the show?

And we still put on this like full show. It's so cool right now. It feels big and also it will get bigger which is what's cool to think about.

when they made a movie version of The Handmaid's Tale, it was terrible and when they made the TV version, it's great.

I have been revisiting and also visiting for the first time the films of Park Chan-wook who is an excellent Korean director who did Old Boy directed the film Old Boy, which is a favorite and you know did the Vengeance trilogy old boy was the third one. He did Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance then Lady Vengeance and then Old Boy.

Phil's point about like music like I became a libertarian reading the liner notes on a rush album when I was 13 and you talked to so many libertarians that have some sort of story about Neil Peir turning them on to the ideas of Ayn Rand so I think I think if it's good music and it's based on some sort of philosophy that's great but I think I think culture is better than telling people to read the books I read because that's a non-starter that's why we're doing so much comedy right now because you can say things when you're doing a comedy skit that that we can't say here that would in any way attract people who think they're socialists right yeah they just think we're making fun of them

You know 60 years ago there was a book written called Atlas Shrugged.

That's why the smallest minority as Ein Rand said is the individual

It's also, is it based on Atlas Shrugged?

There's a book about it called the red famine or you could read Atlas shrugged

But you won't because it's a thousand pages long great book. Yeah, great book describes exactly what's going on.

It does it does the producer stopped producing you know it at the point in which people are not an end unto themselves

Or means to another's end. What's the point in doing anything?

It's all in Ayn Rand's famous book, Atlas Puttage.

Really?

That's...

That's my literate crowd.

I read that in college, actually.

It's all in Ein Rein's famous book, Atlas Puttage.

It's corruption. Really? That's that's my literate crowd.

I read that in college, actually. This is corruption in plain sight.

The Daily Wire has acquired exclusive rights to adapt Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged into a television series.

Atlas Shrugged is famously the least filmable thing of all time.

I hope they do shot for shot that one like 70 page speech that What's-His-Name goes on.

I started reading iron Rand

I've just been rereading out the shrug which I do oddly enough about every 15 years and I figured out one of the core problems with her doctrine it might be the core problem so she assumes that self-interest is the appropriate governing principle but she never really defines what constitutes self-interest and that's a big problem so because you can have narrowly hedonic self-interest and Rand actually wanders into that territory because her protagonists, Rourke and Dagnitaggart and so forth do have and express quite continually their right to do whatever the hell they want whenever the hell they want to and that they should be guided by no other principle in some sense than the gratification of their own desires but that's exactly what the hedonists on the left say and so this begs the question of what constitutes the individual whose self-interest is its stake and where Rand makes a mistake is she doesn't understand that there's a set of constraints that operate on what constitutes individual self-interest

I think that enlightened self-interest and social interest are exactly the same thing and I don't think that Rand understood that right is that she seems to believe that there's this internal self which is the part that's self-interested that's almost like the internal self, the radical leftists insist upon being able to establish such things as gender self identification right that's 100% autonomous and unmoored that can operate itself as an autonomous governing principle it's almost like a deity and it's the same it's the conservative version of the same mistake that the radicals on the progressive side are making

You talked about you yourself rereading Atlas Schrogg I do that with about the same frequency and the last time I did three or four or five years ago it's because I had a junior colleague at the policy organization I was leading prior to being adhered to as a capital O objectivist and I thought well let me reread Rand and see if I'm missing anything and be a good colleague a good mentor and I realized this actually the sort of come full circle rereading Atlas Schrogg four or five years ago ironically is what made me realize my own deficiencies in thought about the free market and a couple of other shibbleness of the right which is to say that so many very thoughtful men and women who are devotees of Rand make the mistake that she's making and they haven't thought through the consequences of that as it relates for example to regulatory capture

The way that Rand maneuvers around the complexity of those questions say with regards to Reagan's her capture is that she attributes to her protagonists a kind of a vague nobility of character right so that it's distasteful for Rorke and Taggart for example to engage in any plaintive negotiations with government agencies right it's beneath them to ask for favors from government but she never establishes why it's beneath them right it's vaguely associated in principle with their self-interest and their implicit heroism but it's very difficult to derive that heroism from that narrow self-interest and I think the reason it's difficult to do that is because it doesn't thrive from that narrow self-interest it derives from the necessity of a higher order self-interest that has the community as an intrinsic part of itself and she's very weak on that front right because her characters Taggart's a good example and so is Rorke works in a very unhappy marriage and Dagny Taggart is single those people aren't bound by like they're all noble individual heroes who stand alone they're not well situated in happy marriages they're not as couples well situated in functional families but she's almost Rousseau she's almost Rousseauian in that regard she seems to regard any form of higher order social involvement as an impediment to the noble nobles striving of the disaggregated individual and so it's very strange to see that dovetail with the more radical ideas of the progressive left and it's definitely a flaw in her thinking right both both from the perspective of characterization but also from the perspective of ethics that narrow self-interest that's not the that's not the highest self that's not the true self it's just the immature and impulsive self and she tries to make that noble and it's not noble it's just immature

So that's exactly why I think that's why her work never hits it's like Rand is not Dostoevsky right there's a shallowness about her work that's I like reading it it's exciting it's adventurous it's a romantic adventure you know and it's got a strong hero narrative element but it's definitely not literature and I think the reason for that is that her characterizations are too they're too simplified you won't be expecting this reference I'm sure but I grew up reading Louis Lemur books you know written in the 20th century but they were 20th century versions of the western dime novels of the late 1800s who read them as a boy and every time I guess I've read Atlas Shug three or four or five times I don't mean to be too offensive toward Rand followers but we've established that feelings are okay to hurt their her characters are just as flat as the great heroes and Louis Lemur novels who showed up in these western towns and they were rugged individuals right in there as a as a 10 or 11 year old boy those were good things to read in the same way that there's a certain value to reading Rand's work but it's not literature yeah certainly not Dostoevsky and in the in the great book schools that I've led Rand had no part of the curriculum and and I'll just make this final point if I may on on this thread the way this plays out in conservative politics and by that I mean not elected officials but to some extent the donor class but these are these are thoughtful men and women most of whom have made their their own wealth themselves is that they think that those characters from Atlas Shug are the model but in reality I mean almost without exception as I think about these men and women in their own lives they are living out that higher order thinking or set of values far better than Rand's own characters in other words they themselves these devotees of Rand personify the limitations of the book it can be hard to explain that to them because they're they're so committed to this mode of thought but the point is the more of those devotees of Rand who come to grips with those limitations the quicker the American political right will be able to resolve this conundrum we have about the community and about the free market

And there's a whole book about this called Atlas Shrugged. I've mentioned a number of times that you all should read because this never works out because what ends up happening is the people who are the producers, it becomes so burdensome for them to produce and so unprofitable for them to produce that they don't produce.

And there's a whole book about this called Atlas Shrugged. I've mentioned a number of times that you all should read because this never works out because what ends up happening is the people who are the producers, it becomes so burdensome for them to produce and so unprofitable for them to produce that they don't produce. They start just producing for themselves and then everybody else starves.

There's a whole book about this. It's called Atlas Shrugged. Okay, when the producers, when it gets too hard for the producers, which is me to fucking produce and all these other entrepreneurs, all you guys listening, you're the producers. When it gets too, those people end up saying, fuck it. And they stop producing and everybody stars. Everybody becomes dependent on the government. Communism ushers in and people die at mass scale.

It is not a novel to be tossed aside lightly. It should be thrown with great force.

When he reads Atlas Shrugged and falls in love with objectivism, he describes himself as like a capitalist insurgent terrorist.

Ayn Rand loved trains. That book was about trains.

That's just literally the plot of Atlas Shrugged.

One book is one form of economy. The other book is another form of economy. So they're debating Atlas Shrugged and Communist Manifesto, which Jay, it's kind of like the complete opposite of religions in economy.

60 years ago, Ayn Rand wrote Atlas Shrugged.

The book is set in a dystopian United States on the brink of economic collapse.

Ayn Rand's message, government is rigged, America is broken and you should quit.

She eventually became a conservative icon, and Atlas Shrugged the quitters' Bible.

Atlas Shrugged is amazing.

It's basically someone read Atlas shrugged and then was like, how can I make a video game like this? And so the main villain like the final boss is literally Atlas.

The best book I read in there was uh maybe like Atlas Shrugged okay.

Is it tracks? Is it like Ayn Rand Atlas Shrugged? Is it laws of war or laws of power?

and I really enjoy there's a book by by Ein Rand called the new left the anti-industrial revolution and it was written at the time that this was happening and one of the analyses is basically there's a transition between the old left and the new left where the old left claimed to be for industry for productivity for prosperity and what happened is that was clearly not achieved by their policies communism led to the devastation of industry the malfunction of industry widespread poverty and Rand said well you know the left basically had a choice are you going to stay with your anti-capitalism or are you going to embrace capitalism because you really care about industry and productivity right right and actually what they did was they they kept their anti-capitalism and they looked for new reasons to support anti-capitalism and in the 60s they decided on this issue of environment and it was a convenient issue in a number of ways one is the pro-capitalism side didn't do a very good job with it particularly rhetorically they didn't make the point that well good environments are made possible by prosperity so the idea of a good environment in a humanistic way was co-opted by the anti-capitalist who had no right to it whatsoever I mean look at the Soviet Union and an environment but they they they owned that value issue but then they packaged it with this hostility toward human impact as such and what they really did brilliantly was they took over the schools so they put in the schools this idea that human impact is bad and especially the idea that it's inevitably self-destructive because the planet is this delicate nurture that our impact ruins and that has permeated the whole educational system where people think that we inherently are destroyers of the planet and it has permeated the scientific community

Whitaker Chambers has the nerve to call her a fascist in his review for National Review.

Or simply into Ayn Rand novels. Yes, that's a dystopian Atlas Shrugged.

Or simply into Ayn Rand novels. Yes, that's a dystopian Atlas Shrugged. It's true.

And the idea is to sort of discuss it and spread it and introduce the younger generation to those ideas because the philosophy of socialism and communism are so widespread here in Israel that we are trying to sort of give open the mind of the younger generation to more ideas.

It's like why am I carrying this burden? What is my upside here so I can stand up and say look how tough I am on New Yorker?

The worst thing today is the attacks on ability. The, I call this today's atmosphere the age of envy actually.

And I ask you whether you would be attacked by people for your success.

Yes, yes I am. Well, that's what I regard as the most immoral thing on earth to attack a man not for his flaws, but for his virtues because to make a success of yourself in any line of rational activity is a great virtue.

Yeah, could be for art, for intellectual history it's a classic Victor Frankel argument of man search for meaning, right?

As Victor Frankel is leaving the concentration camps what helps him survive.

And it's the debt that he owes to the future work that he wants to write to share with the world.

And it's not the fear of death.

It's the meaning of the work he could do for the world if he survives.

And then there's a, I read about this later from the classic book which I hope everybody's read called Man's Search for Meaning by Victor Frankel.

If you haven't read it, I'd suggest you do. It will make you think as it made Tom Garfinkel think.

The lesson one could learn in Auschwitz and in other concentration camps, in the final analysis was those who were oriented toward a meaning to be fulfilled by them in the future were most likely to survive.

And this has been confirmed afterwards by American Navy and Army psychiatrists in Japanese prisoner of war camps.

The orientation toward a future, toward a task, a personal task waiting for them to be fulfilled in their future or another person whom they were loving to be met again.

This was what was decisively upholding these people.

So, the orientation beyond oneself, you see, the question was not just survival, but there had to be a why of survival.

Victor Frankel wrote in *Man's Search for Meaning* that when we are no longer able to change a situation We are challenged to change ourselves.

How or when what circumstance would we change ourselves to overcome an incredible adversity?

And I think the third one that was very powerful for me was Man Searching for Meaning, which is a guy that got to the camp and separated from his wife.

The Holocaust? Yeah. And he find a way to stay positive, which is, you know, the circumstances that he had, you know, to find, any day you can die, to find a way to create new habits and find happiness in that moment. It's incredible.

We also wrestle with inappropriate urges, taboos, and fantasies that aren't safe to share with everyone. Even just the fact that this ride we call life will end at some point is something we tend to avoid thinking about, so it ends up in that unconscious pile we call the shadow.

And that's all par for the course. We are human. We are not brands or content to be served up to the digital maelstrom. We are not our follower counts. We are human beings, complex, messy, and often contradictory.

I'm hauling my shadow around right now, and you have yours. And the most enlightened spiritual master still has theirs. No one is exempt. So can we forgive ourselves a little?

Viktor Frankl who wrote Man's Search for Meaning.

And he remarked that some had the will to live and some didn't.

And that's what he realized was we cannot control the world around us but we can control our reaction to the world.

One of the books that I read as a youngster was Victor Frankl's famous book from death camp to oxy existentialism now I didn't know too much still don't know too much about the existentialism but I do know that he survived that by virtue of focusing on the lovey had for his wife the lovey had for his family because if you have a why as he kept saying you can bear any how the tragedy is that the modern world while having less and less in the way of objective difficulties has less and less of the why that will enable us to endure the how

And honestly, if you look at all of the mindfulness stuff, if you look at the work of Viktor Frankl and Man's Search for Meaning, so much of it is this idea of creating more space between an action and a reaction.

And if you can extend that space and choose a different reaction, that's where the growth comes from.

And that's how we can overcome these negative behavioral trends.

He brings stuff back with him and inside the bag there was a book and through this book I use it to learn English to be honest.

This book was called Man's Search for Meaning by Victor Frankl.

So like reading this book it became actually my guiding light that helped me actually navigate through my life and it did influence my life and shape my whole outlook of everything around me.

So you know the main idea about this book that everything can be taken away from you except your attitude and reaction to any given situation whether it's good or bad and this is what kind of pushed me to study more, to excel at study or graduate with a very good degrees and get a scholarship to go abroad.

It kind of was my guiding light throughout my life until now.

Between stimulus and response, there is a space. And in that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom.

Viktor Frankl who's this amazing psychologist who was a holocaust survivor and he wrote Man's Search for Meaning a book after he survived the death camps and he was somebody who while he was in the death camp said I'm going to take control of my experience because mentality is everything that it's not the meaning of something is determined by my own view of it and I'm going to turn this horrible experience into a stronger better person rather than allowing this experience to make me a worse person

I'm gonna say that everyone should read man's search for meaning by Victor Frankl.

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I'm gonna say that everyone should read man's search for meaning by Victor Frankl

And when I looked at I think the work of Edith Eger in her book The Gift or Viktor Frankl in Man's Search for Meaning and you know two people who lived through incredible atrocities like they turned towards finding meaning and and finding purpose and so I loved what you said at the beginning

Victor Frankl who wrote Man's Search for Meaning these two phenomenal books if anyone hasn't read them like they had that in that scenario.

Recently I was reading from, I was reading from Viktor Frankl's Man's Search for Meaning Again.

Author Viktor Frankl who wrote about his experience in the holocaust in his book Man's Search for Meaning once said, what is to give light must endure burning.

My favorite book, or at least it's in the top five is Man's Search for Meaning by Victor Franklin.

I don't know. I read a lot of really hard books when I was in my 20s because I skipped college.

And that was just one of the books. I mean, that's a book that so many people have read and people quote from all the time.

stop asking what you expect out of life and start asking what life expects out of you.

My favorite book, or at least it's in the top five is Man's Search for Meaning by Victor Franklin.

And you talk about this book, Man's Search for Meaning, which I had on my bookshelf.

And it was stop asking what life expects out of you and start asking, or no, stop asking what you expect out of life and start asking what life expects out of you.

Something along those lines. Yes. Yes. Yeah. That's it.

And I was like, wait, what? I was like, wait, what's life expecting from me?

I've been listening to Dune why because I love it. I love the movie so much I was like, I actually want to go back and I've never read the book. I've never heard the book I should say and so it's really cool. They have all these people narrating it different different characters It's really cool and if you're a fan of Dune and Arrakis and learning about Arrakis and and and Frank Herbert who wrote it is like It's it's much more descriptive than the movie even though the movies fantastic But to hear all the words and how he describes everything and you go. Oh, yeah. I remember that It's really really cool

I've been listening to Dune why because I love it. I love the movie so much I was like, I actually want to go back and I've never read the book. I've never heard the book I should say and so it's really cool. They have all these people narrating it different different characters It's really cool.

and if you're a fan of Dune and Arrakis and learning about Arrakis and and and Frank Herbert who wrote it is like It's it's much more descriptive than the movie even though the movies fantastic

But to hear all the words and how he describes everything and you go. Oh, yeah. I remember that It's really really cool

And a Clark bar and the book Dune

Oh, in another book I'm rereading just because I saw the movie as Dune. I remember it's really interesting.

how incredible would it be to board a plane at JFK throw on Dune and then land in London before the movies over

No, that's Dune.

Yeah, but like even in the movie, the bugs are like the bad guys. They launched it. They, they, they attacked earth. Yeah. It's very Buenos Aires.

I will say this, Ronnie, I did pick up Dune and I'm back into Dune and there is like a smart baby in it.

And that baby probably would that smart baby probably would know about Joyce Carroll. It's oh my God, the smart.

The baby's like, you have not ordered trash bags from Amazon in a while. Would you like me to take care of that? It's just like the baby. Baby personal assistant.

The baby's like, I just want to know what you're doing with your life. I just want you to crush life daddy.