The Jordan Harbinger Show

book out there called um uh The Culture Code Daniel Cole

book out there called um uh The Culture Code Daniel Cole oh sure yeah very first part of it right four groups kindergarteners business school students CEOs and i think lawyers we're interesting set of samples see four four teams marshmallow challenge you get macaron drive macaroni string in a marshmallow as the team construct the highest tower what team wins the kindergarten really huh

There's a whole book by my buddy Austin Kleon called steal like an artist and the whole idea is like artists are always saying like oh I'm original I'm original I'm original I'm original and he's like literally no one is original so just do take the bits of the best things from other people that's what real artists do that's what we do you know so we do it sure yeah we do it all yeah we do all of that stuff.

John Eldridge he's the author of Wild at Heart he says deep in his heart every man longs for a battle to fight an adventure to live and a beauty to rescue

John Eldridge he's the author of Wild at Heart he says deep in his heart every man longs for a battle to fight an adventure to live and a beauty to rescue

There's a lot of books now and I'm sure you've noticed this they're like it's a science book it's full of research but it's really like a life coach writing about their anecdotal evidence from their five clients that they have so that they can write a book that they can get you know 50 clients right science it's not actual or their lab is their apartment where they have a virtual assistant doing spreadsheets and it's like I'm running a lab experiment.

You know there's a lot of that you've been writing about science like real science for a while and this topic is pretty interesting negativity bias is something I think a lot of people don't realize exists and I think that's what makes it probably the most problematic.

It's always going to be stronger than good but we're confident the good can still prevail.

His book is called The Power of Bad, How the negativity effect rules us and how we can rule it.

For every bad interaction every news story that's negative let's read for good ones but what is the low-bad diet in practice?

There's a lot of books now and I'm sure you've noticed this, they're like it's a science book, it's full of research, but it's really like a life coach writing about their anecdotal evidence from their five clients that they have so that they can write a book that they can get, you know, 50 clients right science, it's not actual or their lab is their apartment where they have a virtual assistant doing spreadsheets and it's like I'm running a lab experiment.

You know there's a lot of that, you've been writing about science like real science for a while and this topic is pretty interesting, negativity bias is something I think a lot of people don't realize exists and I think that's what makes it probably the most problematic.

His book is called 'The Power of Bad, How the negativity effect rules us and how we can rule it.'

We talk about the rule of four and this is based on a lot of different studies when they track people's moods during the day, people's interactions that were interactions between spouses who were talking or arguing with each other and as a general rule of thumb it takes four good things to overcome one bad thing.

Our goal in writing the book was to teach people how to use The Power of Bad when it is useful and it can be really useful, but also how to overcome it when it's not, how to use your cerebral cortex, that rational part of you had overcome it.

I essentially say, look, the intel guy and the policy guy have got to come together in the room and that room could be a canvas covered tactic operation center in a desert somewhere or it could be the over office.

The intel guy comes into the room through a different door than the policy guy.

The intel guy is fact based. The policy guy is vision based.

The intel guy is inherently pessimistic.

The policy maker though inherently optimistic if he or she didn't think they could make the world better, they wouldn't interview for the job.

I point out that this is the greatest hemorrhaging of legitimate American secrets in the history of the Republic and Jordan. You are less safe today because of it.

In my book I try to weave this dynamic into a whole series of policy decisions that we supported the surgeon Iraq, the Elkabar nuclear reactor which was a nearly complete nuclear reactor in the Syrian desert in addition to the Iranian program.

The book is called Playing to the Edge what does that mean to you why did you name the book that yeah actually my wife named it the publisher said okay what's the title I go to title so my wife had read the manuscript and I said what do you think should be and she said Playing to the Edge I added the colon American intelligence in the age of terror but she recognized that one of the themes that permeates the book is that first of all I don't get to create the edge the edges the box that the American political process creates for security services legally you mean in terms of what you're allowed to do it's actually a creation of law and policy all right something to set down in law other things are set down in policy but we don't do either of those in the intel community that's done by elected officials and that's the box that we're allowed to operate in and the metaphor for the title is that when operational circumstances demand I've got to use the whole box I got to play all the way to the edge because if I don't play all the way to the edge if I don't use all the authorities the law and policy by the way Jordan if I play to the edge I know I'm going to have an unpleasant congressional airing newspapers are going to write some unhappy stories this is playing in the edge is going to be controversial but if I decide not to play back from the edge I've suddenly decided to protect myself or more nobly my agency from some unpleasant future but I'm not decided to protect you and that's my responsibility and so the theme of the book is that we did some really aggressive continue to be controversial things I was involved in practically all of them but in a very non-apologetic way I described what we did why we did it and why we thought it was a good idea.

Intelligence is essential to defend not just American security but American liberty it really has something so essential and so misunderstood or ununderstood by the population that it serves and so my purpose as you suggest Jordan in the book is to kind of do what I suggested to my Australian friend hey come with me I'm going to introduce you to some people and show you a bit of what it is they do on your behalf that you're probably not familiar with that was why I wrote

The Stoden Revolutions distorted but accelerated a necessary conversation and Jordan you already made reference to it, the NSA program and metadata and so on, all right? The other 98% of the stuff that he stole have nothing to do with your privacy or mind. They have everything to do with how your government collects legitimate foreign intelligence.

It's kind of like Masters of Scale except it's well a lot more focused on specific entrepreneurs or concepts that these people bring up and some of these concepts I want to take out and then we'll just dissect them.

It's kind of like Masters of Scale except it's well a lot more focused on specific entrepreneurs or concepts that these people bring up and some of these concepts I want to take out and then we'll just dissect them.

The book starts with you, the newest book starts with you getting arrested in Spain...

The book starts with you, the newest book starts with you getting arrested in Spain...

There was a famous script writer named Bo Goldman who wrote the movie called Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid... he later wrote an autobiography about Hollywood and how it works, he calls it Nobody Here Knows Anything.

He calls it 'Nobody Here Knows Anything' and what he really meant was nobody really knows when you're writing a movie if it's going to work or not because nobody really knows, it's not predictable.

I felt this subject needed that great sweep of history.

it's really not so much a leadership book it's a book about character and a way to think about this is leadership is how we influence others it's that big door swinging that causes you to make other people want to follow you that's leadership but that big door of leadership Jordan swings on the small hinge of character that's buried in your heart.

I wanted to talk about that small hinge in the human heart and to find ten good stories it took me twenty five hundred years of looking at different add girls.

I think we're overweight in thinking about leadership and underweight in thinking about character.

that's why I did the book.

it's really not so much a leadership book it's a book about character

leadership is how we influence others it's that big door swinging that causes you to make other people want to follow you that's leadership but that big door of leadership Jordan swings on the small hinge of character that's buried in your heart

I wanted to talk about that small hinge in the human heart and to find ten good stories it took me twenty five hundred years of looking at different add girls

we're overweight in thinking about leadership and underweight and thinking about character

we're overweight and leadership and underweight and character

my friend William Uri who wrote Getting to Yes he says it best he says we have talk shows but we don't have listen shows we have peace talks but we don't have peace listens

my friend William Uri who wrote 'Getting to Yes' he says it best he says we have talk shows but we don't have listen shows we have peace talks but we don't have peace listens

If you've ever read the book the the shack, um it's sold like ten or twenty million copies, that book, the reason they got published, the guy wrote that to teach God to his kids, he had like eight kids, somebody left five twenty dollar bills in his mailbox randomly when he didn't have two cents to rub together and it gave him enough money to go buy milk bread, Philip was carved with gas, and he went to office max and printed eight copies of the book for his kids for Christmas.

what's cool if you've ever read the book the the shack um it's sold like ten or twenty million copies that book the reason they got published the guy wrote that to teach God to his kids he had like eight kids somebody left five twenty dollar bills in his mailbox randomly when he didn't have two cents to rub together and it gave him enough money to go buy milk bread Philip was carved with gas and he went to office max and printed eight copies of the book for his kids for Christmas

This reminds me of how Howey Mandel because he won't shake hands if you ever if you heard that episode earlier this week. I mean, he won't shake hands, he won't touch people. His book is called Here's The Deal, don't touch me because he's got the OCD, you know he's washing himself with scalding water and using Purell all over the place.

This reminds me of Howey Mandel because he won't shake hands...his book is called Here's The Deal, don't touch me...he's washing himself with scalding water and using Purell all over the place.

You can't just outwill power this thing. A la Benjamin Hardy.

Yeah, just like in your newest book Conspiracy, Peter Teal wanted to bring down Gawker and then he kind of solved for that as well.

And I tried to write that book that I squeezed it in, you know, with a, with a, you know, a five day old at home or whatever.

I mean, I had access to Peter T. All this billionaire. I had access to Nick Dand, who is a founder of Gawker. There are these sort of two mortal enemies who have just spent like 10 years and tens of millions of dollars trying to destroy each other.

How, I, and they were both willing to talk to me. And a publisher was willing to publish the book.

I felt like it was crazy to say no.

Yeah, just like in your newest book Conspiracy Peter Teal wanted to bring down gocker and then he kind of solved for that as well.

I felt like it was this sort of once in a lifetime opportunity. I mean, I had access to Peter T. All this billionaire. I had access to Nick Dand, who is a founder of Gokker.

And I felt like I was the only person on the planet that could write it the way that I thought it should be written.

I ended up having to say no to some other things or push other things certainly to make it happen.

But I felt like it was one of those things I would definitely regret not having done.

...tomorrow night I'll interview Walter Isaacson about his new book called The Code Breaker about Jennifer Doudna who just won the Nobel Prize for her...crisper work.

Tomorrow night I'll interview Walter Isaacson about his new book called 'The Code Breaker' about Jennifer Doudna who just won the Nobel Prize for her CRISPR work.

And we'll y'all go over some of your accolades in the show clothes if people don't know in in the intro, but like you could like definitely are not a fuck up right?

I'd like to think so.

And you mentioned this at the end of the book, you say that your parents or whatever broke your brothers and sisters, but they didn't break you and the scoreboard says that you're really successful person.

I've forgiven them, I understand that they are mentally ill people, I get that, I don't hold it against them.

I wish they weren't that, and I think there were times in my life when I could see the kind of pure little kid inside of them like there were times when I could see that and it was a really beautiful thing, but it's like I don't say anything any of this like with disdain, it's just what happens, you know or what happened, what happened to me.

It's because I'm listening back to a 16-year-old recording while I was recording music. I stopped it, you can hear my mom record like going crazy in the background, and the funniest part is like it's in the audiobook and it's gnarly. And that just gives me that feeling of like, oh right, it's worse than I thought it was, you know what I mean?

My number one thing, and I think I make that very clear in the world, yeah, it's like I'm not trying to hurt anybody.

I've forgiven them. I understand that they are mentally ill people. I get that. I don't hold it against them. I wish they weren't that, and I think there were times in my life when I could see the kind of pure little kid inside of them, like there were times when I could see that, and it was a really beautiful thing.

The scoreboard says that you're really successful person and we'll y'all go over some of your accolades in the show clothes if people don't know in in the intro, but like you could like definitely are not a fuck up, right?

I've tried to turn everything that I've gone through into a source of entertainment, while also allowing that to have some therapeutic, you know, measure over me while doing so whether it's through music, whether it's through writing, it's all cathartic, you know what I mean.

even looking at this book here, you look on the back here, this is a barcode...instead of just slapping a barcode on the book you got to make sure that it comes from the world...so how can you design a barcode that's effective and efficient but still designed to fit the part of the world

we try to handle things with great care...we look over every scene, come through every line...the book...all these sort of things that I have that the readers will never know but it was important for me and Annie to go through

there's so many notes and so many books filled with like Nova...creating the name itself in like legacy and Silla and then like the rules of the world and the history of the kingdom of Nova when it once was a kingdom

we got to focus on doing that right...I'll create a new character and then I'll say okay this is how the character is then I'll say well why is it character that way well what's his family like okay then where did the father come from then where did the mother come from and then okay well where do they live now what are the rules of the world that they live in

like Legacy and Silla and then like the rules of the world and the history of the kingdom of Nova when it once was a kingdom like all these sort of things that I have that the readers will never know but it was important for me and Annie to go through

even looking at this book here you look on the back here this is a barcode oh yeah right but instead of just slapping a barcode on the book you got to make sure that it comes from the world so how can you design a barcode that's effective and efficient but still designed to fit the part of the world