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For centuries, all sorts of people—generals and politicians, athletes and coaches, writers and leaders—have looked to the teachings of Stoicism to help guide their lives. Each day, author and speaker Ryan Holiday brings you a new lesson about life, inspired by the thoughts and writings of great Stoi...

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Essentialism

Greg McKeown

Mentioned 4 months ago

BONUS | 3 Practices to Improve Your Life In a Week

The speaker learned from the author that when the word 'priority' entered the English language in the 1500s, it was singular, suggesting the modern concept of having multiple priorities contradicts its original meaning.

I learned from Greg McKeown a few years ago that when the word priority came into the English language in the 1500s, that it was only a singular word.

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Top Five Regrets of the Dying

Bronnie Ware

Mentioned 4 months ago

BONUS | 3 Practices to Improve Your Life In a Week

The speaker had a conversation with the author about common regrets people express at the end of their lives, such as wishing they had worked less and spent more time with family.

And I had a beautiful conversation with Bronnie Ware, the palliative care nurse, on my podcast maybe three years ago. And she wrote the book, The Five Regrets of the Dying.

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Meditations

Marcus Aurelius

Mentioned 4 months ago

This is How You Win the Day | Circumstances Have No Care For Our Feelings

The speaker discussed the February 23rd entry, which was based on a quote from this book. They noted that Marcus Aurelius often included quotes from other writers in his work as a means of practice and self-reminders.

You shouldn't give circumstances the power to rouse anger, for they don't care at all.

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The Daily Stoic Journal

Ryan Holiday

Mentioned 4 months ago

This is How You Win the Day | Circumstances Have No Care For Our Feelings

The book was mentioned as something listeners could grab a copy of to support the podcast and delve deeper into Stoicism.

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Discourses and Selected Writings of Epictetus (19th century classics illustrated edition) in modern English

Epictetus

Mentioned 5 months ago

Simple Stoic Rules That Actually Change Your Life

Epictetus' Discourses were cited when discussing how putting off self-improvement means one will live and die as someone quite ordinary.

Epictetus addresses this directly in his discourses. He says, putting things off and deferring the day to which you will attend to yourself, to which you will get serious about these things. What does this mean? He says, it means you will live and die as someone quite ordinary.

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Call Sign Chaos

Jim Mattis

Mentioned 5 months ago

What A Wonderful Thing to Measure | Stoic Strategies for Becoming More Resilient

This book was referenced by General Mattis, who stated that if leaders haven't read hundreds of books, they are functionally illiterate because they would be learning through trial and error what others have already documented.

I love this quote from General Mattis. He says, 'If you haven't read hundreds of books, you're functionally illiterate.'

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The War of Art

Steven Pressfield

Mentioned 5 months ago

If You Only Read a Few Books This Year, Read These

The speaker stated that this book is essential reading before starting any big creative project, as it helped him understand the constant internal battle against 'the resistance' that prevents creatives from doing what they are meant to do. It was recommended for writers, artists, parents, and entrepreneurs facing any challenging endeavor.

And yet I don't make a single thing. Every big creative project that I sit down to do, I read this book first. And I don't think my success as a writer or artist or creative or whatever you want to call it would be possible without this book.

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A Calendar of Wisdom

Leo Tolstoy

Mentioned 5 months ago

If You Only Read a Few Books This Year, Read These

Tolstoy considered this book his best work, even over his classic novels, intending it as a daily study guide for self-improvement composed of wise thoughts from philosophers like Epictetus and Buddha. The speaker noted that the book, which took 17 years to publish and nearly 100 years to appear in English, is meant to provide inner calmness and happiness by communing with great thinkers one page at a time.

One of the most famous writers of all time, who many consider to be one of the greatest writers of all time. He didn't think that his classic novels were his best work. He thought this was his best work.

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Good Inside

Dr. Becky Kennedy

Mentioned 5 months ago

If You Only Read a Few Books This Year, Read These

The speaker considered this book fantastic, stating it made him a better parent and human being, and claimed it would be the best parenting book listeners would ever read, even for those without children. A core takeaway was the importance of 'repair'--owning mistakes, apologizing, and finding connection after disconnection.

And my wife told me to read this book. And I'm very much in her debt. Because it made me a better parent and a better human being.

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The Psychology of Money

Morgan Housel

Mentioned 5 months ago

If You Only Read a Few Books This Year, Read These

This book was suggested as a potential pairing with 'Die with Zero' for readers interested in personal finance. The speaker noted that it was one of the books that influenced his thinking on money.

And if you haven't read Morgan Housel's The Psychology of Money and The Art of Spending Money, those are two other books that I might pair with this one.

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Gift from the Sea

Anne Morrow Lindbergh

Mentioned 5 months ago

If You Only Read a Few Books This Year, Read These

Published in 1955, this classic was profoundly impactful when it first came out and is described as a book about stillness and finding perspective amidst the demands of modern life. The author used meditations inspired by seashells found on the beach to explore themes like solitude and contentment.

This year was one of the bestselling books in the entire country in 1955. It was enormously popular when it came out. It was profoundly impactful for hundreds of thousands of people.

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Die With Zero

Bill Perkins

Mentioned 5 months ago

If You Only Read a Few Books This Year, Read These

This book significantly changed the speaker's perspective on money, spending, and the value of time by arguing against deferring valuable experiences to the future just to accumulate a large net worth at death. It encouraged being generous now to experience the benefits, rather than waiting until one is too old or passed away.

What are you trying to live a long time for? And what are you saving up all this money for? And actually, the author says this in the book. He says, if you want to have a big pile of money at the end of your life, well, I guess that's your choice. But he says, I've never seen somebody's net worth posted on their tombstone.

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Kate Fagan

All the Colors Came Out

A Father, a Daughter, and a Lifetime of Lessons

It is a book about the author's father, a D1 collegiate basketball player who gets ALS; it explores themes of life, death, happiness, and struggle, focusing on the lessons learned during his illness and death. It was praised for its beauty and inspiring message.

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It's a book about her father, a D1 collegiate basketball player who ends up getting ALS. And she leaves her job at ESPN, partly to take care of him. And what does she learn about life, about death, ab...

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It is a book about the author's father, a D1 collegiate basketball player who gets ALS; it explores themes of life, death, happiness, and struggle, focusing on the lessons learned during his illness and death. It was praised for its beauty and inspiring message.

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It's a book about her father, a D1 collegiate basketball player who ends up getting ALS. And she leaves her job at ESPN, partly to take care of him. And what does she learn about life, about death, about happiness, about struggle as she watches the person she loves more than just about anything in the world succumb to a horrible, merciless disease that towards the end takes away even his ability to communicate. And we talk a lot about those last 48 hours that they spent together and what she learned and what you can learn.

It's absolutely a beautiful book. I was glad to blurb it.

check out All the Colors Came Out a book that will break your heart but also inspire you. It's an important book as we talked about in the interview, I think a timeless book.

This one's a little closer to home. This was like this was my collision of both love and dedication and voice and momentum and motivation it was like a collision of all of those things

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50 Cent

The 50th Law

The podcast host mentioned that Robert Greene has a chapter on "Amore Fati" in his book, The 50th Law. He also collaborated with Greene on a medallion and pendant related to the concept.

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I was introduced to the concept through Robert Green who has a chapter on Amore Fatih in his book The 50th Law.

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The podcast host mentioned that Robert Greene has a chapter on "Amore Fati" in his book, The 50th Law. He also collaborated with Greene on a medallion and pendant related to the concept.

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I was introduced to the concept through Robert Green who has a chapter on Amore Fatih in his book The 50th Law.

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Dean Karnazes

A Runner’s High

My Life in Motion

Dean Karnazes discussed his new book, which details his life in motion and pushing the limits of human endurance. He also touched upon the mental and physical benefits of running and the importance of self-discipline.

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Check out Dean's new book, A Runner's High, My Life in Motion.

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Dean Karnazes discussed his new book, which details his life in motion and pushing the limits of human endurance. He also touched upon the mental and physical benefits of running and the importance of self-discipline.

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Check out Dean's new book, A Runner's High, My Life in Motion.

I talk about this in my new book is, you know, you can achieve in 24 hours of running what takes a month, a month of meditation.

There are two ways to get to the finish of an ultramarathon. The first is to put your head down and grunt your way through it. And I don't know the other way.

Finishing an ultramarathon is simple. All you have to do is not stop.

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Dean Karnazes

Ultramarathon Man

Confessions of an All-Night Runner

This book details ultra-endurance running and was mentioned as one of Dean Karnazes's previous works exploring the limits of human endurance.

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He's written a book, as I said, about his journey from Athens to Sparta called The Road to Sparta, reliving the ancient battle and epic run that inspired the world's greatest foot race. He's written a...

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This book details ultra-endurance running and was mentioned as one of Dean Karnazes's previous works exploring the limits of human endurance.

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He's written a book, as I said, about his journey from Athens to Sparta called The Road to Sparta, reliving the ancient battle and epic run that inspired the world's greatest foot race. He's written a book called 50-50, Secrets I Learned Running 50 Marathons in 50 Days. He's written the book Ultra-Marathon, Man Confessions of an All Night Runner.

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Dean Karnazes

The Road to Sparta

Reliving the Ancient Battle and Epic Run That Inspired the World's Greatest Footrace

This book recounts Dean Karnazes's recreation of the ancient run from Athens to Sparta, exploring the historical context and personal challenges of the journey.

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He's written a book, as I said, about his journey from Athens to Sparta called The Road to Sparta, reliving the ancient battle and epic run that inspired the world's greatest foot rac...

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This book recounts Dean Karnazes's recreation of the ancient run from Athens to Sparta, exploring the historical context and personal challenges of the journey.

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He's written a book, as I said, about his journey from Athens to Sparta called The Road to Sparta, reliving the ancient battle and epic run that inspired the world's greatest foot race.

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Dean Karnazes

50/50

Secrets I Learned Running 50 Marathons in 50 Days -- and How You Too Can Achieve Super Endurance!

This book shares lessons learned from Dean Karnazes's incredible feat of running 50 marathons in 50 consecutive days across 50 states.

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He's written a book called 50-50, Secrets I Learned Running 50 Marathons in 50 Days.

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This book shares lessons learned from Dean Karnazes's incredible feat of running 50 marathons in 50 consecutive days across 50 states.

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He's written a book called 50-50, Secrets I Learned Running 50 Marathons in 50 Days.

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By Plutarch Plutarch

Lives of Noble Grecians and Romans (Modern Library Series, Vol. 1) [Hardcover]

Harry Truman, while bedridden, read Plutarch's Lives extensively, becoming fascinated with the causes of success and failure. He poured over it, making numerous notes and underlines in his copy.

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He became obsessed with finding out what caused success and failure, he said, and he poured over Plutarch's Lives.

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Harry Truman, while bedridden, read Plutarch's Lives extensively, becoming fascinated with the causes of success and failure. He poured over it, making numerous notes and underlines in his copy.

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He became obsessed with finding out what caused success and failure, he said, and he poured over Plutarch's Lives.

For your own good: Hidden cruelty in child-rearing and the roots of violence Cover

Alice Miller

For your own good

Hidden cruelty in child-rearing and the roots of violence

Dr. Eger recommended Alice Miller's book, "for your own good," which explores the impact of childhood trauma, particularly in relation to Hitler's upbringing and its potential link to his later actions.

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if you want to read any books you read Swiss psychiatrist Alice Miller and she she is amazing and the book especially For your own good has to do with Hitler having a terrible childho...

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Dr. Eger recommended Alice Miller's book, "for your own good," which explores the impact of childhood trauma, particularly in relation to Hitler's upbringing and its potential link to his later actions.

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if you want to read any books you read Swiss psychiatrist Alice Miller and she she is amazing and the book especially For your own good has to do with Hitler having a terrible childhood beaten by his father

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Max Weber

The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism

Dr. Eger referenced Max Weber's book, relating it to the economic conditions and scapegoating that contributed to the Holocaust. She connected the concept of blaming others to childhood behavior.

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I like you to maybe pick up a book that you may have it in your place by Max Weber by Max Weber capitalism and the Protestant ethics okay and he refers to the Jewish people as pariah Jews are the pari...

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Dr. Eger referenced Max Weber's book, relating it to the economic conditions and scapegoating that contributed to the Holocaust. She connected the concept of blaming others to childhood behavior.

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I like you to maybe pick up a book that you may have it in your place by Max Weber by Max Weber capitalism and the Protestant ethics okay and he refers to the Jewish people as pariah Jews are the pariah

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Seneca

On the Shortness of Life

Life Is Long if You Know How to Use It (Penguin Great Ideas)

This book contained the quote about choosing whose children we want to be, highlighting the idea of selecting role models even if one's parents were not ideal.

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we can remove most sins if we have a witness standing by as we are about to go wrong. The soul should have someone it can respect. By whose example it can make its inner sanctum more invaluable.

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Episode: Avoid This Sickness | Role Models

This book contained the quote about choosing whose children we want to be, highlighting the idea of selecting role models even if one's parents were not ideal.

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we can remove most sins if we have a witness standing by as we are about to go wrong. The soul should have someone it can respect. By whose example it can make its inner sanctum more invaluable.

We don't get to choose our parents, Seneca said, that they were given to us by chance. Yet truly we can choose whose children we'd like to be

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Luke Burgis

Wanting

The Power of Mimetic Desire in Everyday Life

It was described as the most accessible entry point into Girard's theories, offering a beneficial way to understand mimetic desire. The book was praised for its readability compared to Girard's own denser works.

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Luke's book, Wanting, is really, I think, a great entry point to it.

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It was described as the most accessible entry point into Girard's theories, offering a beneficial way to understand mimetic desire. The book was praised for its readability compared to Girard's own denser works.

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Luke's book, Wanting, is really, I think, a great entry point to it.

I think he's trying to do with Girard's work, what I've tried to do with the Stelix, what my friend Russ Roberts did very well with Adam Smith and his book How Adam Smith Can Change Your Life.

He has a new book called Wanting, The Power of Mimetic Desire in Everyday Life, which is I think the most accessible and beneficial entry point into Girard's theories.

Peter Thiel recommends Girard's book, Things Hidden Since the Beginning of the World, which I have read, but let me tell you, it is not Marcus Aurelius or Seneca. It is not accessible. It is so dense. One of the densest, hardest to read books that I've ever read.

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Rene Girard

Things Hidden Since the Foundation of the World

It was described as a dense and difficult read, inaccessible compared to works by Marcus Aurelius or Seneca. Despite its difficulty, it was mentioned as a significant work by Girard.

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Peter Thiel recommends Girard's book, Things Hidden Since the Beginning of the World, which I have read, but let me tell you, it is not Marcus Aurelius or Seneca. It is not accessible. It is so dense....

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It was described as a dense and difficult read, inaccessible compared to works by Marcus Aurelius or Seneca. Despite its difficulty, it was mentioned as a significant work by Girard.

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Peter Thiel recommends Girard's book, Things Hidden Since the Beginning of the World, which I have read, but let me tell you, it is not Marcus Aurelius or Seneca. It is not accessible. It is so dense. One of the densest, hardest to read books that I've ever read.

Yeah that's things hidden. In fact several of his books are in the form of dialogues which I think is really interesting but yeah. I like dialogues but this is like what the fuck are you doing? Just write it as you.

And Gerard let's be honest he's an academic and he's got a very odd kind of obscure style where he never does seem to say what he means.

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Michael Leannah

Most People

The speaker described it as a wonderful children's book that conveys a positive message about the nature of most people; they are good people who enjoy laughter and smiling. A quote from the book was shared to emphasize this message.

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As the wonderful children's book Most People reminds us, Most People love to laugh and smile. Most People love to see other people laugh and smile to...

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The speaker described it as a wonderful children's book that conveys a positive message about the nature of most people; they are good people who enjoy laughter and smiling. A quote from the book was shared to emphasize this message.

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As the wonderful children's book Most People reminds us, Most People love to laugh and smile. Most People love to see other people laugh and smile too. Most People are good people.

A person who is frowning and mad or sad or mean is like a sour grape in a bunch of sweet grapes. That person would almost always rather be happy, smiling and laughing. You need to remember that.

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Candice Millard

Destiny of the Republic

A Tale of Madness, Medicine and the Murder of a President

It was described as a tale of madness, medicine and the murder of a president, focusing on the life of James A Garfield; the book was mentioned as one of the author's favorites and was strongly recommended by the podcast host, who found James Garfield to be unexpectedly interesting.

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She wrote Destiny of the Republic, A Tale of Madness, Medicine and the Murder of a President.

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It was described as a tale of madness, medicine and the murder of a president, focusing on the life of James A Garfield; the book was mentioned as one of the author's favorites and was strongly recommended by the podcast host, who found James Garfield to be unexpectedly interesting.

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She wrote Destiny of the Republic, A Tale of Madness, Medicine and the Murder of a President.

I would start with Destiny of the Republic. Then I'd read River of Doubt. Then I'd read Hero of the Empire.

I guess I wasn't ready for James Garfield to be really interesting, but he totally is.

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Euripides

Medea (Dover Thrift Editions

Plays)

Chrysippus, a Stoic philosopher, enjoyed this book so much that he frequently quoted it and jokingly titled one of his essays after it.

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Chrysippus loved to play Medea so much that he quoted from it so much that he joked one of his essays was The Medea of Chrysophus.

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Chrysippus, a Stoic philosopher, enjoyed this book so much that he frequently quoted it and jokingly titled one of his essays after it.

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Chrysippus loved to play Medea so much that he quoted from it so much that he joked one of his essays was The Medea of Chrysophus.

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Epictetus

The Complete Works

Handbook, Discourses, and Fragments

The writings of Epictetus, along with those of Marcus Aurelius and Seneca, reveal their deep understanding of the great writings, fiction, essays, and histories of their era.

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In fact, one can't pick up the works of Marcus Aurelius, Seneca, even the sayings of Epictetus without being struck at how insimilarly familiar these philosophers were with the great writing, fiction,...

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The writings of Epictetus, along with those of Marcus Aurelius and Seneca, reveal their deep understanding of the great writings, fiction, essays, and histories of their era.

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In fact, one can't pick up the works of Marcus Aurelius, Seneca, even the sayings of Epictetus without being struck at how insimilarly familiar these philosophers were with the great writing, fiction, essays, books and histories of their time.

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Michael Cramer

The Complete Works of William Shakespeare (Leather-bound Classics)

The speaker suggests that even Chrysippus, who loved Medea, would be impressed by the literary works available today, urging listeners to take advantage of the vast amount of literature available.

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If Chrysippus worshiped Medea then think about what he'd think about you, having not picked up Shakespeare besides those few begrudging pages in high school.

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The speaker suggests that even Chrysippus, who loved Medea, would be impressed by the literary works available today, urging listeners to take advantage of the vast amount of literature available.

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If Chrysippus worshiped Medea then think about what he'd think about you, having not picked up Shakespeare besides those few begrudging pages in high school.

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Seneca

On The Tranquility Of The Mind

The podcast mentioned Seneca's work to illustrate contrasting views on life's experiences, with Heraclitus lamenting and Democritus laughing at them. It emphasizes a lighter view and bearing life with an easy spirit.

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Heraclitus would shed tears whenever he went out in public. Democritus laughed. One saw the whole as a parade of miseries, the other of follies. And so we shall take a lighter view of things and bear...

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Episode: This Is Why It's So Hard | Practice True Joy

The podcast mentioned Seneca's work to illustrate contrasting views on life's experiences, with Heraclitus lamenting and Democritus laughing at them. It emphasizes a lighter view and bearing life with an easy spirit.

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Heraclitus would shed tears whenever he went out in public. Democritus laughed. One saw the whole as a parade of miseries, the other of follies. And so we shall take a lighter view of things and bear them with an easy spirit for it is more human to laugh at life than to lament it.

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Brandon Webb

Steel Fear

A Thriller (The Finn Thrillers)

It is a new thriller series by Brandon Webb that follows the US Navy's first serial killer; it took him over 12 years to write and publish, initially facing challenges with his editor at St. Martin's.

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He has a new thriller series called Steel Fear, which follows the US Navy's first serial killer.

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It is a new thriller series by Brandon Webb that follows the US Navy's first serial killer; it took him over 12 years to write and publish, initially facing challenges with his editor at St. Martin's.

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He has a new thriller series called Steel Fear, which follows the US Navy's first serial killer.

But writing fiction totally kicked my ass. And I had this concept 12 years ago. Took me like a little over four years ago, I said, okay, I'm going to start writing it.

I had to go back to school and take these classes on creative writing and read Stephen King's book on writing, which is an amazing book.

And I had to just like jam it through my editor at St. Martin's. Yeah, it sounds like a good idea, but you're not a fiction writer. You're nonfiction.

John and I got half a million from Random House.

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