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you recommended Each Kindness which we've read a bunch of times uh which is a wonderful little book and you know when my kids do something kind i try to be like this is like in Each Kindness or when they do something me like you know if they're they're talking about someone or something at school that's also you know that very easy casual way you could hurt someone by not being kind um i try to i try to call it back to the things that we've read too

In the beautiful children's book Each Kindness, which I sell at the painted porch by the way, check it out. I love the book.

And he has his own podcast. As I said, he's written a number of books including How to Lead and more importantly his new book How to Invest Masters at the Craft is available everywhere you can go to his website DavidRumansdine.com or you can follow him on Twitter at DMRumansdine and I hope you like it.

I think his best book since Gates of Fire, it's just an incredible story about a man, not at arms, although it is A Man at Arms, but a man who lives by a code.

I'm dying to get back to writing. It's the opposite of resistance. I just sort of want to get back to my home, turf and do something.

when you feel massive resistance it's a good sign because it shows that that the dream that you have the work the book is meaningful to you

when you're in doubt its resistance that you're having the doubt is a good sign

A Man at Arms is really a book about a guy who lives by a code

i think that's right and i uh another book by steven you may have read is called The Afghan Campaign and of course it's not about our current war in afghanistan or the british campaign you know afghanistan is the graveyard of empires is the same goes this is about alexander the great marching through afghanistan the first time someone in recorded history anyone really tries to conquer it and many of these same themes are expant there he is a quite a marvelous writer

I really liked Will's first book Doing Good Better but his new book is absolutely fantastic

I'm working on William Agascale's new book uh and the title is What We owe the Future so it's sort of like what do you owe the past and then what is the contribution you're going to make in the future that sort of passing of torches maybe that sort of despite the unrealness of your individual circumstances actually ends up rooting someone in a somewhat grounded place yes absolutely and by the way Macascale in his last book one of my all-time favorites Doing Good Better um I did the marketing for that book

as Kwame writes in his book Notes from a Young Black Chef his mother gave him a piece of advice that his since stuck with him always trust the preplaced she told him his apartment as they were getting ready you've made it in your say-nest moment she said in this kitchen you'll be

I went and I picked up his book Notes from a Young Black Chef and then we got connected.

Kwame sent me his new book, My America's recipes from a young black chef cookbook and we ended up connecting.

Well, I really enjoyed the book.

Your book for me, it came out a really pivotal time in my life where I needed some intake.

I just read this biography of Anneli Merkel which I really enjoyed. I just had her on the podcast, I don't think it's come out but it's Cady Martin's The Chancellor.

I can't recommend The Chancellor the remarkable Odyssey of Anne Holmerkle enough

It was the Everest of writing projects

in Dehu Aliqdi Kraft, and that means in calm there is strength

she does not lose her cool

she just doesn't meet them where they want to be met, which is on their playing field of blowviation and insults. She just doesn't take the bait and that drives them bonkers

I loved that book The Women's Hour about the passing of the of the amendment that gives women the right to vote.

Have you read The Women's Hour? Yes about the past grade.

The 19th of it's incredible you're just like you think you think about how long that took it's like a hundred years I went and I went to that hotel in Nashville like right before the pandemic you're just sort of standing in this lobby and you're just like these people fought for it this not just they fought for a thing that like was hard but they fought for a thing that was literally inconceivable right not that long ago like it's not yeah I see I was just reading about John Stuart Mill and he you know he's this brilliant philosopher he ends up running for like parliament or comment the House of Commons I don't really know how the British system works but anyways he's they're passing some bill and he stands up this is like in the mid 1800s he stands up and he goes I motion that man in this law be changed to person right then that it should apply to everyone and he's literally just like the entire place just erupts in laughter like it's not not just like hey should these people be able to vote but like we should think about half the population as we're passing well it was and and it was met with you know profound laughter but it's the first time that this concept of like women having personhood is introduced into British politics like in the legislative system so yeah that that a like it's not just like if person can affect structural change but a person can utterly redefine the structure itself and that this takes both a lot longer and also happens faster than you think yes and you know it's worth thinking about the people on the periphery of that who exercise their agency in this you know with Mill I think his wife actually wrote with him a lot about these feminist thoughts hard to imagine he'd have been taken that stand and writing person I'm not sure about the exact chronology but without that influence and then I think the best moment in women's hour which we talk about in this book is you know all of these women leave this lead this movement and the vote keeps being like 82 to 82 or something and there's this one guy it's the woman yeah the one and his mom but he this book yes but his mom then comes and says like you should you should like do the right thing today and like gives him a rose and then he ends up doing it yes and like her agency is not I mean that's like the mother of a legislator who potentially radically changed the history of America no I mean he absolutely did you think about yeah it's an individual camp make a difference one mom writing a letter to a son who is the deciding vote in a state legislature which immediately makes it the law of the land in the United States if he had gone the other direction I believe Tennessee was the last state so it was so if Tennessee hadn't passed it it would have been it would have been effectively dead and I think obviously the the woman who writes the letter obviously deserves a huge amount of credit but like also both of them he if I remember correctly from the book and this is where I think courage and sacrifice are so interrelated is that he was the sole sort supporter of his mother who was elderly and ill and he wrecks his political career to make this vote yeah so he's not just voting against his party or in an un potentially unpopular thing but he's also cutting he's cutting this political throat but also his financial throat at the same time but he makes the decision and then we go oh a democracy is too big and unwieldy individual cannot make a difference yes no it's part of what's so inspiring looking at the history and even the present is the folks who just keep doing the work I mean one of my favorite stories in the book is there was this college student a North Carolina A&T named Love Caesar and her campus had been gerrymandered split down the middle so essentially meant that all of these black students and teachers their votes didn't matter because they were split between two districts not in large enough numbers to make a difference in either district and she came and drew chalk down the middle of campus gerrymandered this niche issue people don't understand she draws brings draws you know this huge line down campus to say you know you could lit you could dorm could be in district three in your class could be in district four how does this make any sense you're supposed to have congressional districts that represent communities and with that chalk helps draw the attention of the country to North Carolina as gerrymander big lawsuit comes in those maps are thrown out that's a random college student at an arbitrary school in North Carolina making a difference for millions and millions and millions of people and so the idea that you don't still have the power to do that is completely incorrect and it's just about finding that will and deciding to do it well i'm glad we're talking about the women suffrage movement because it's a lot less loaded and controversial which is what the point I want to make right so as we talk about you know like i think for instance some people go oh obviously women some women wanted the right to vote and then it was probably that either people didn't think it was that important or some men were opposed to the idea of course when you zoom in you find out actually a lot of women were opposed yeah I'm getting the right to vote and it was this bitter nasty fight for like decades but the the idea to me and I talked about this I had Kate Fagan on the podcast who I love if you haven't read her book what makes Maddie run you should it's incredible but but I was talking about I was sort of riffing on it and now I it's something I haven't written about but I want to I have this idea that history there's this kind of dark energy in history in America but in all countries this sort of there's this kind of fearful dark race it could it takes a number of labels but it's it's effectively just a dark energy that's opposed to usually new things or the expansion of rights or inclusion whatever so like I think about that dark energy there's like in retrospect obviously women should have the right to vote and all women more or less agree with this idea but at the time there was a dark energy there that was vehemently opposed to this idea like in the book she talks about this moment where like this this mother on her on her deathbed says to her daughter I need you to dedicate your life to fighting against the suffragette movement so yeah I'm so you think about that dark energy that a woman is her death wish is that her daughter like something is taken a hold of this person right so there's this dark energy so and it's as bitter fight and it goes down splits down the middle one guy defeat when one guy makes his vote it defeats the dark energy and then where does that dark energy go shortly thereafter you know maybe that's the dark energy that is the resistance to the expansion of the administrative state in the great depression right or it's the dark energy that then goes into fighting and attempting to secure and fight for Jim Crow right and and then and then that's the civil rights movement except there's this kind of dark energy that's always there and we're like fighting against it and we feel like we vanquish it and then it goes away and then it regroups and it identifies another issue that you wouldn't think people would care that much about but they do right and I'm curious what you think of that theory because when I think of voting rights and the fight like that there is an opposition to the idea of voting rights is to me in a sense of how insane and unpredictable this dark energy is because like why would a person be opposed to such a thing right like it seems so odd and yet here we are yeah I think that's exactly right but one interesting wrinkle is how seductive the dark energy is to those fighting for the right things you know just to because we're on the suffragists I mean the initial batch of suffragists the people who organized the Seneca Falls Convention was with Katie Stanton and them they were stops on the underground railroad so when folks were escaping from slavery they could take safe harbor in their homes they understood that people different races were equal which makes sense they understood that people different genders are equal as well then as they're fighting for the right to vote they make this strategic decision where they appeal to those who are in power and say you know if you give white women the right to vote we're going to act as a force to stop against the encroachment of black Americans in our democracy and they sort of co-op that dark energy a little bit in an act of self preservation but what it means is that when that big moment happens in 1918 and they get the right to vote well it's like kind of it's kind of colored or not colored it's kind of white and so they have to figure out like okay what are we going to like what are we going to do the black women who were left out and so they go and fight against this other dark energy which is Jim Crow but it's really a continuation of the energy that was trying to stop women from voting in the first place it just survives in this sort of like more refined racist strain and that then you know we then get to the Voting Rights Act of 1965 black women black men Native Americans everyone else can vote but the darkness doesn't really go anywhere and it's how you end up in the current crisis which most of the books about but you know for a bunch of decades there the darkness went to other issues they weren't focused on voting rights specifically because that just seemed like it was consensus yet three Republican presidents in a row reauthorized the Voting Rights Act when George W. Bush reauthorized it for the final time 2006 the vote in the Senate was 98 to zero Mitch McConnell Hillary Clinton everyone came together and said let's do more Voting Rights Act but then 2013 there's this big Supreme Court case Shelby County vs. Holder my co-author Eric Holder prefers to just call the Shelby County case for obvious reasons and what that case does is it guts a significant portion of the Voting Rights Act and nullifies it and what happens is the darkness realizes like oh we can take advantage of this moment and once again people across the country decide that they can engage in insidious forms of voter suppression and it's worth noting that that darkness masks itself during you know if at any given time it were obvious which side the darkness was it'd be pretty easy for you to just go to the side of the light but you look at Jim Crow laws you know we're talking about literacy tests that wasn't on its face a bill that had to do with race but if you recognize that they weren't going to be administered the same way to black Americans and white Americans who'd understand it wasn't fair we'd recognize that black Americans weren't allowed to read at all for most of American history till that point you understand it wasn't fair but it's hard always in the present this is one of the themes of the book to recognize you know who who the baddies are as the internet meme says and like you know the project is identifying where that darkness lies at different periods of time and finding ways to root it out all the stillings were active in life trying to make a difference trying to have a positive impact on the world they were suspicious of the pen and in flusters of people who just wrote about stuff who didn't do it but we've talked before about how you're only on this planet for like four thousand weeks let's say you work for 40 years of that time that's 40 hours a week 50 weeks a year 40 years that's 80 thousand hours your career is roughly 80 thousand hours it's a lot of time but it's also not a lot of time you really can't afford to waste it but if you dedicate yourself and end that time productively and effectively you can have a huge positive impact in the world you can serve the common good as the stokes talk about there's actually an awesome nonprofit called 80 thousand hours that gives free research and support to help people create positive impact with their career you can join their newsletter they'll send you a free in-depth guide that takes you through all the steps all the way to a concrete career plan they host an awesome job board with nearly a thousand open high impact career opportunities and they offer free one-on-one advice to help you switch paths there's also a great 80 thousand hours podcast which hosts super in-depth conversations with experts about how to best tackle pressing global problems you can join the newsletter right now get a free copy of their in-depth career guide sent right to your inbox just sign up at 80 thousand hours dot org slash stoic that's 80 the number 80 thousand hours dot org slash stoic 80 thousand hours dot org slash stoic and just to be clear they're a nonprofit and everything we provide is free always they're fully philanthropically funded their only goal is to help you have more impact in your career with those 80 thousand hours that you have on this planet to get started planning a career that works well sign up at 80 thousand hours dot org slash stoic

Among the books he's also illustrated is G is for Gladiator and R is for Rhyme.

One was on actually Greek mythology. Z is for Zeus. It was for Sleeping Bear Press. And the other one was G is for Gladiator about the Romans, also for Sleeping Bear Press.

One was on actually Greek mythology. Z is for Zeus. It was for Sleeping Bear Press. And the other one was G is for Gladiator about the Romans, also for Sleeping Bear Press.

He's also the author of The Passion Paradox.

I also talked to the venture capitalist Brad Feld on his book The Weekly Nietzsche, what Nietzsche can teach us, both Pro and Con, his connection to the stoics and of course the power of daily practice.

But the idea is one quote one essay per week from Nietzsche that would help an entrepreneur that would help an executive that would help anyone sort of on some journey to greatness if you will. And I know Nietzsche can be controversially certainly been co-opted and misrepresented by a number of groups so that's something we definitely talk about in today's episode but it's a great book. If you haven't read Nietzsche it's a nice entry point into Nietzsche.

I found that the Daily Books are a great, I mentioned Daily Drucker earlier. It's a great entry point into someone said it is picking up one of the books you know maybe it works maybe it doesn't. This is a great way to just sort of do a survey course of a certain philosopher or influencer

I think it's incredibly powerful because it's very digestible and it it creates a rhythm i mean i don't know how many times i've read the daily stoic now probably three or four you know just sort of beginning to end on a daily basis i read it all the way through once but uh that kind of a cadence niche was was different we as we played with niche we realized that niche is much less giving advice um in in his philosophy what niche is doing and his uh uh uh cliche about niche or often quoted line about him he's very misunderstood uh as a philosopher and i hope we get to spend a few minutes talking about that of course but he's he's incredibly important as a philosopher because he's really the crossover between classical and contemporary philosopher he's the bridge at least in my mind and one of the uh cliches is that he philosophizes with a hammer and he really is a the classic disruptor the subtitle of this book is a book for disruptors and you know the word disruptor is so overused in entrepreneurship to the today but but we built on it which is this notion that uh what nicha did was he challenged so much of conventional philosophy and conventional wisdom but by smashing it with a hammer he was provocative he was aggressive he was willing to contradict himself he was trying to get people to think he was not saying this is the answer he was saying think about this thing and how you relate to it and how you relate to it in the world and as a result giving each of these quotes a week felt better than a day because for a lot of these if you read the niche and you read his quote it it means nothing you can't like I have to read it out loud three or four times like reading poetry you have to read it slowly and sort of the words are beautiful and powerful and unique and it's of course you know English translation of late late 1800s German so it's it's colorful but it's chewy and so what we tried to do was take the the nicha quote we then would sort of transliterate or translate it I guess is a better word into contemporary English and then we wrote an essay and the essays we couldn't do two or three paragraphs the essays were two or three pages not saying here's how you apply this quote to entrepreneurship but here's what this quote makes us think about in the context of entrepreneurship and here's some contradictory ideas and here's some ideas that we we used to think about this and now we think about this and then for about half of them there's an essay from an entrepreneur maybe two-thirds of them and and in a few cases they're entrepreneurs whose names people will recognize but many of them are not we we chose entrepreneurs you know from our very extended network but people who are not famous entrepreneurs they're not intended to be sound bites from you know super successful rich famous people but practical stories where we gave each entrepreneur the the quote and our translation and said write an essay about what this speaks to you about and we didn't edit the essays we let them be blog posts and we fixed the commas and made sure the quotation marks and the punctuation were in the right places and stuff like that but we let them be in the person's voice rather than in our voice again to show and to try to give people the tools to reflect and in some ways be able to have a practice practicum around it you know you you're not reading to learn what you should learn from Nietzsche's quotes you're being provoked by Nietzsche and hopefully by us and stimulated maybe is a better word than provoked to reflect on your own experiences as an entrepreneur whether your super experienced or just beginning against the backdrop of this very important provocative stimulating again I'm using the same words because those are the words that we try to get through philosopher and as as it applies to entrepreneurship.

If you haven't read Call Sign Chaos yet, you're missing what is itself a book of wisdom, a collection of all the lessons Mattis learned and observed in his career, a compilation of one great man's lifelong voyage into the interior of oneself.

General Mattis is a big fan of Stoicism talks about this in his book Call Sign Chaos which is very good. He says he says like people have been fighting in wars for 5000 years he's like how would you not go read what they went through why would you learn by trial and error when you could read about the people that that went before you and he talks about, you know when when America invades Iraq and Afghanistan he's like, I've read Alexander the Great, because he fought in the same places like it's not like people haven't done this before they've been in this exact spot and made a lot of the same mistakes that if you're not careful, you will make right now.

I am writing in the midst of a raging pandemic. We are under siege.

Co-19 has lurched us into worldwide war against an invisible enemy for which we have little armor.

It is a time to test the full promise of Stoicism.

When you are dealing with an infectious disease, you know, you always have that metaphor that people talk about, that Wayne Gretzky, he doesn't go where the puck is, he's going where the puck is going to be.

Pre-rehearsal, anticipation, learning how to dwell in advance, vividly imagining future evils as if now present, are key to the stoic approach of mitigating anxiety.

Professor Sherman applies Stoicism to where it is most needed for our warriors and working people alike. And it helps them become better and more resilient.

I think you're better off picking up Thucydides' History of the Peloponnesian War, reading a 2,500-year-old book that stood up really well about the timeless jostling between an ascendant power and a dominant power, right?

how do you read the peloponnesian war i mean it's gonna read the peloponnesian war like you can any of us can

I read them the day's entry from a Poem For Every Night Of The Year.

And I also read them a page of Shakespeare for every day of the year.

And both these books are by the wonderful Allie Assiri.

You can check out a Poem For Every Night Of The Year, which is where I would start.

My first one, a Poem For Every Night Of The Year, came out autumn 2016.

This one is from The Order Quintillion. Again, this edition is translated with commentary from Michael Fontaine.

If you haven't checked out the Princeton University Press's Ancient Wisdom for Modern Readers series, I do recommend it.

You can check out How to Tell a Joke, which has got selections from Cicero and Quintilian from Princeton University Press. I love the little hardcover editions.

One of my favorite Cicero quotes is, No man dances when he is sober unless he is a lunatic.

So this is a good book, I'm excited to bring you this quick excerpt. It's not a step by step guide on how to compose jokes really, but it's more of a guide to how humor can and should be used as a tool to help win an argument, to help make a case for something.

This is a great book, you can check out How to Tell a Joke. Anywhere books are sold, there's a great physical edition, they come in these perfectly sized hard covers which you can check out.

I had uh professor tamler summers on the podcast recently he wrote this great book called Why Honor Matters and we were talking about this there's this pivotal moment in stoke philosophy where kato who's this famously uh principled politician is sort of offered a bribe slash alliance by by by pompey and uh he turns it down he says you cannot buy my loyalty

So I'm fascinated with this concept of honor. And I think it pertains, as you'll see in our conversation, to where we are today.

If you haven't read his book or heard of it, Why Honor Matters, please check it out. It's a great book.

And I think the deficiency of that is obviously explains a lot of the problems we're having as a society and as a world these days.

The only reason to study philosophy is to become a better person. I think Tamler's work helps you do that.

It was very frustrating trying then to figure out, well, okay, but what is the actual book?