On Being with Krista Tippett

This is at the heart of her book, Manifesto for a Moral Revolution, Practices to Build a Better World.

And you talk about you left Rwanda in 1989 for Palo Alto to go to Stanford Business School. The Berlin Wall falls that year, the Soviet Union disintegrates, it's the end of history. I mean, you are a banker and you're remaking banking and capitalism has won.

When I say we need a moral revolution, it's really one that is not dictated from above. But it's a reframe of the system, because we have had a system that has put profit at the center. And what we need to do is shift that to put humanity and the earth at the center.

Jacqueline has described her recent book, Manifesto for a Moral Revolution, as a love letter to the next generation, including young Acumen fellows around the world.

This is at the heart of her book, Manifesto for a Moral Revolution, Practices to Build a Better World.

And so when I say we need a moral revolution, it's really one that is not dictated from above. But it's a reframe of the system, because we have had a system that has put profit at the center. And what we need to do is shift that to put humanity and the earth at the center.

When I think back to that time, and it was really within the course of a month that the Berlin Wall fell and then Jobs got on the stage and said, technology will reshape the world. And both forces did, capitalism and technology did reshape the world and did lift a billion people out of extreme poverty. And at the same time, both forces have left us more unequal, more divided, more divisive, and facing long term, not long term, short term climate catastrophe.

So you've written this book, Manifesto for a Moral Revolution.

Jacqueline has described her recent book, Manifesto for a Moral Revolution, as a love letter to the next generation, including young Acumen fellows around the world.

Hard-edged hope made of patience and kindness, resilience and grit.

Investment as a means, not an end, daring to go where markets have failed and aid has fallen short. It makes capital work for us, not control us.

the question is not really how to make people better off, but what does it mean to be a whole human being?

Hard-edged hope made of patience and kindness, resilience and grit.

the question is not really how to make people better off, but what does it mean to be a whole human being?

Investment as a means, not an end, daring to go where markets have failed and aid has fallen short. It makes capital work for us, not control us.

I have this book that I want to remind me to tell you about the Langermine for the Institute and it's on that website that this book will be but it's a book of one liners that are paired with paintings of mine

I have one of the liners is and not or which is a whole different way of thinking

Another one is ask is that a tragedy or an inconvenience because most of the time when people are upset they're reacting as if it's a tragedy and just asking yourself that question tends to calm you down

But it's a book of one liners that are paired with paintings of mine. And also, well, you're recollectual.

But that in this book of one liners that's called Mindful Life, you know, I have one of the liners, one liners is and not or which is a whole different way of thinking.

Another one is ask is it a tragedy or an inconvenience because most of the time when people are upset they're reacting as if it's a tragedy and just asking yourself that question tends to come you down.

I have one of the liners is and not or which is a whole different way of thinking

Another one is ask is that a tragedy or an inconvenience because most of the time when people are upset they're reacting as if it's a tragedy

But it's a book of one liners that are paired with paintings of mine. And also, well, you're recollectual. I want to say, I think it's really important. You know, when you say, you know, this sentence that you spoke just a moment ago about, you know, that we think about what is, instead of thinking about what is what is what we want to be, what is possible.

But that in this book of one liners that's called Mindful Life, you know, I have one of the liners, one liners is and not or which is a whole different way of thinking.

Another one is ask is it a tragedy or an inconvenience because most of the time when people are upset they're reacting as if it's a tragedy and just asking yourself that question tends to come you down.

When it comes to the world around us, is there any choice but to explore?

I was awestruck and enchanted not only by our current knowledge of our environment--local, solar, galactic, and universal--but also by how much we ultimately don't understand from our random, tiny perch here on Earth.

I was also overwhelmed by the many connections among the pieces that ultimately allow us to exist.

To be clear, mine is a deeply unreligious viewpoint. I don't feel the need to assign a purpose or meaning, yet I can't help but feel the emotions we tend to call religious as we come to understand the expanse of the universe and our past, and how it all fits together.

It offers anyone some perspective when dealing with the foolishness of everyday life.

It's actually really fun for me because I mean it's one of the reasons I decided to write a book because I do work on very fundamental, very abstract science. The Higgs boson or an extra-dimensional space or fundamental particles.

So we proposed this is what triggered it.

I was awestruck and enchanted not only by our current knowledge of our environment, local, solar, galactic, and universal but also by how much we ultimately hope to understand from our random tiny purts here on Earth.

I don't feel the need to assign a purpose or meaning yet I can't help but feel the emotions we tend to call religious as we come to understand the immensity of the universe, our past and how it all fits together.

When it comes to the world around us, is there any choice but to explore?

But I spend a lot of time with all of your books and just looking at kind of the sweep of your career. So it's not a book interview per se, but I just want you to know.

Oh yeah, absolutely. No, that will be. That will be. So they get there. Yeah, no, that will be up. That will be in the script and all over the website and all of that. That's the last. OK. Yeah.

And so you're saying 85% is not the right percentage now or. No, no it is sorry I thought we were saying something else. Oh okay okay and so we now believe it's maybe 85% and then as opposed to and then like I mean let's clarify what ordinary ordinary matter when we usually say matter non dark matter is.

And you you say that that while dark matter is mysterious to us it's not necessarily such a mysterious thing I think. I think what you're saying it's not necessarily such a mysterious thing that it exists.

And you have spun this speculative scenario that which is based on real science in which dark matter might ultimately have been responsible for the extinction of the dinosaur. And it's just a 66 million years ago. Describe that scenario and how you came to it.

So it's actually really fun for me because I mean, it's one of the reasons I decided to write a book because I do work on very fundamental, very abstract science. The Higgs boson or a foreign, or an external mention space or fundamental particles.

And so here's one way you talked about one of your contributions about kind of exploring the question of why gravity is weaker. We compared to other forces in nature and you started at seeking answers to questions and standard model physics invented into extra dimensional worlds, which is such an intriguing statement.

And so, here's one way you talked about one of your contributions about kind of exploring the question of why gravity is weaker. We compared to other forces in nature and you started at seeking answers to questions and standard model physics invented into extra dimensional worlds, which is such an intriguing statement.

"I was awestruck and enchanted not only by our current knowledge of our environment, local, solar, galactic, and universal but also by how much we ultimately hope to understand from our random tiny purts here on Earth. I was also overwhelmed by the many connections among the pieces that ultimately allow us to exist."

"the earth has a love hate relationship with this environment."

There's this word that you use at the beginning of the brief wondrous life of usker wow, that Fuku, Kersen Doom of the New World.

There's this word that you use at the beginning of the brief wondrous life of Oscar Wow, that Fukuh.

Of course, in doom of the New World, there's this line you have. It's perfectly fine if you don't believe in these superstitions because no matter what you believe Fukuh believes in you.

There's this word that you use at the beginning of the brief wondrous life of usker wow, that Fuku, Kersen Doom of the New World.

There's this line you have it's perfectly fine if you don't believe in these superstitions because no matter what you believe Fuku believes in you.

There's this word that you use at the beginning of the brief wondrous life of Oscar Wow, that Fukuh.

Of course, in doom of the New World, there's this line you have. It's perfectly fine if you don't believe in these superstitions because no matter what you believe Fukuh believes in you.

The book is all about why more people live alone now today than ever before.

And what he argues in this book is that we are oversaturated with internet connections with other people, our professional worlds are far more social than they were historically, especially when you think about agricultural times or industrial times.

We have the choice to connect at any given point through social interactions and as a result we choose to live alone in order to get a break from it all, which isn't tweaking.

The person I think about is Eric Kleinenberg who's a sociologist who wrote a book called Going Solo and the book is all about why more people live alone now today than ever before.

The person I think about is Eric Kleinenberg who's a sociologist who wrote a book called Going Solo and the book is all about why more people live alone now today than ever before.

My scientific career was the result of a passion for discovery. Whatever I was able to do afterward was in no way a rejection of scientific research, but a rose rather from the realization that such research was unable to solve the fundamental questions of life and wasn't even meant to do so.

And there's a book that was published, which was in the form of a dialogue between you and your father, the monk and the philosopher, it was called.

It's really clear that he was very proud of you. He was very proud of what you were accomplishing.

And he was very affected, which I learned later on.

My scientific career was the result of a passion for discovery. Whatever I was able to do afterward was in no way a rejection of scientific research, but arose rather from the realization that such research was unable to solve the fundamental questions of life and wasn't even meant to do so.

you abandoned your career in order to commit yourself completely to Buddhist practice. It seems to me that he felt where you could have pursued this career in science and you could have made discoveries about things that were new. Instead, you went back to something that had been around for thousands of years. I thought that was a waste of potential.

And there's a book that was published, which was in the form of a dialogue between you and your father, the monk and the philosopher, it was called.

It's really clear that he was very proud of you. He was very proud of what you were accomplishing.

Is there a solid reality behind appearances? What is the origin of the world, a phenomena of the world that we see as real all around us? What is the relationship between the animate and the inanimate between the subject and the object? Do time space and the laws of nature really exist? Buddhist philosophers have been studying these questions for the last 2,500 years.

You know, is there a solid reality behind appearances?

What is the origin of the world, a phenomena of the world that we see as real all around us? What is the relationship between the animate and the inanimate between the subject and the object? Do time space in the laws of nature really exist?

So it was another great encounter. I met Trinwanthuan in Andora when our previous, we were both invited to some somewhere in university and immediately said, you know, I'm born in Vietnam, born in Buddhist. I don't know. I always wanted to have a dialogue about Buddhism and astrophysics or modern science. So, you know, I started a new dialogue again, but it was too tempting and we did that, it was wonderful.

And I wonder, you know, I'd love to know about what insights emerge for you in that conversation.

Is there a solid reality behind appearances? What is the origin of the world, a phenomena of the world that we see as real all around us? What is the relationship between the animate and the inanimate between the subject and the object? Do time space and the laws of nature really exist? Buddhist philosophers have been studying these questions for the last 2,500 years.

And then there's this book "The Quantum and the Lotus", which is a dialogue between you and an astrophysicist, turn one-to-one.

So what really, the most fascinating thing I'd learned through this dialogue was precisely about something very deep about the nature of reality related to interdependence and impermanence.

Now she has a new book, "Magdalene."

I love Magdalene.

And I think of her as someone who really struggled with her subjectivity too. And she came into it.

She's just published a new book of poetry, Magdalene.

I love Magdalene, and I think of her as someone who really struggled with her subjectivity to and came into it and found herself.

It has just published a new book, Magdalene. Around the poem she first read aloud for us in this show.

She's just published a new book of poetry, Magdalene.

Around the poem she first read aloud for us in this show.

I love Magdalene, and I think of her as someone who really struggled with her subjectivity to and came into it and found herself.

I wrote a book in the 1980s, which was called Kingdoms in Conflict, which was a rebuttal against the excess reliance on politics by Christians.

That book, which is now been republished, got in the government, became sort of a handbook for what's the permissible role for Christians in public policy.

I wrote a book in the 1980s, which was called Kingdoms in Conflict, which was a liberal against the excess reliance on politics by Christians.

That book, which is now been republished, got in the government, became sort of a handbook for what's the permissible role for Christians in public policy?

I wrote a book in the 1980s, which was called Kingdoms in Conflict, which was a liberal against the excess reliance on politics by Christians.

That book, which is now been republished, got in the government, became sort of a handbook for what's the permissible role for Christians in public policy?

I argued that the public square ought not to be naked, that people should be able to express their views freely and openly as an idea of that. Christians, I believe, have a cultural mandate to do precisely that, to work for justice.

I saw some of it when I was in the White House as the abortion issue was heating up. But it transformed evangelical from a piotistic movement into a very activist political movement. But that's why I wrote Kings and Conflict now, God and government because I saw it happening.

I said that in Kingdoms in Conflict now God and government.

He has also written many books including letters from a skeptic and The Myth of a Christian Nation.

He has also written many books including Letters from a Skeptic and the myth of a Christian nation.

and the author of many books including born again, God and government and most recently, The Faith.

And it was really transformative And somewhere in your one of your books you You know you pull out this first paragraph No Man Is an Island, you know Why do we spend our lives striving to be something that we would never want to be?

No Man Is an Island, you know Why do we spend our lives striving to be something that we would never want to be? If only we knew what we wanted Why do we waste our time doing things Which if we only stop to think about them Or just the opposite of what we were made for

Why do we spend our lives striving to be something that we would never want to be if only we knew what we wanted? Why do we waste our time doing things which if we only stop to think about them or just the opposite of what we were made for?

Yeah, that's the line that changed my life really and I just thought, well, why am I doing that? And it felt like he was speaking directly to me and I felt like, you know, business is a real vocation for a lot of people and it just wasn't for me and I was miserable and I didn't know what I was doing and I didn't know how I could find a way out and that sentence which really was like a thunderbolt just prompted me to shake things up and ask myself that question, I always say to young people, you know, what would you want to do if you could do anything that you could do?

And it was really transformative And somewhere in your one of your books you You know you pull out this first paragraph No Man Is an Island, you know Why do we spend our lives striving to be something that we would never want to be?

No Man Is an Island, you know Why do we spend our lives striving to be something that we would never want to be? If only we knew what we wanted Why do we waste our time doing things Which if we only stop to think about them Or just the opposite of what we were made for Yeah, that's the line that changed my life really And I just thought why Why am I doing that

Why do we spend our lives striving to be something that we would never want to be if only we knew what we wanted? Why do we waste our time doing things which if we only stop to think about them or just the opposite of what we were made for?

Yeah, that's the line that changed my life really and I just thought, well, why am I doing that? And it felt like he was speaking directly to me and I felt like, you know, business is a real vocation for a lot of people and it just wasn't for me and I was miserable and I didn't know what I was doing and I didn't know how I could find a way out and that sentence which really was like a thunderbolt just prompted me to shake things up and ask myself that question, I always say to young people, you know, what would you want to do if you could do anything that you could do?

It's of course about the aftermath of the hurricane on the Mississippi Gulf Coast and my family history and connection to it.

And as I was writing the book and I've seen this in my poems too, but it wasn't until we're writing that book that I saw how much of the language that comes to me is the language of religion, the language of religious rights.

It's a meditation on the Mississippi.

Beautiful book, thank you.

It's of course about the aftermath of the hurricane on the Mississippi Gulf Coast and my family history and connection to it.

It's a meditation on the Mississippi Golden Hall.

It's of course about the aftermath of the hurricane on the Mississippi Gulf Coast and my family history and connection to it.

And as I was writing the book and I've seen this in my poems too, but it wasn't until we're writing that book that I saw how much of the language that comes to me is the language of religion, the language of religious rights.

So the idea of in service to the common good comes from something secular, but it is also deeply connected to something that we do in our faith.

All of those titles are about ways of thinking both the connection to religion but also that secular part that has a lot to do with what Ebu said and that is about justice.

It's a meditation on the Mississippi.

Beautiful book, thank you.