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I followed that up with a book called The Genius Life, which was a more lifestyle-centric guide.

And then my third book came out in 2020. I'm sorry, 2022. And it was a cookbook kind of bringing everything together.

Oh, it must be 15 years ago. And I thought, oh my God, this woman, she's just unbelievable. She's so tough. She's so forthright.

we had a Doctor Seuss book come every week or something like that because we were in a book club and used to come home every every night and after dinner we would sit lay on the rug we had a hooked one of those hooked rugs and we lay on the rug and you'd put your arm around me and way we go through one or two books and you taught me to read

And he recounted his tale in a book called Deep Undercover, which was published in 2017 and shared all that with me today.

And so we walked through all of that. And that's very interesting. Welcome aboard Mr. Barski. I think what came to my mind as the first mystery when I went through your book was the conditions of your upbringing.

I've been writing about this a little bit the pathological part of it is that it seems to me and I want to know what you think about this is that as soon as you make the assumption that anybody who who is more talented or who owns more is more talented or owns more because that's. And that that can only occur as a consequence of injustice and oppression and exploitation then you're setting up a situation where anyone who has any success whatsoever can be hated and and what would you say persecuted with a good conscience.

I've been trying to work through that dynamic theoretically because there is an association between that intellectual pride and utopian presumption you know when you just laid out a psychological dynamic you said you were young. You were celebrated for your intellectual prowess and you can see that intellectual prowess is valuable personally and socially and so you can understand that it being valued is appropriate but then you pointed to the fact that if it's celebrated inappropriately it tends to produce a kind of intellectual pride and condescension and then that works in sync see it works oddly in sync with the utopian presumptions of communism communism is a very intellectual system and it was designed by someone who had very deep intellectual pretensions marks himself and it's that it's that unholy combination of intellectual pride and the proposition that you're acting in that pride on behalf of people who are too foolish or stupid or stupid. You're ignorant or blind or otherwise what incapable of taking care of themselves right and then you could say well you're doing that for all the good reasons but you pointed out right away that there was an element of overweening pride in that that was attractive to you because you were celebrated it for your intellect when you were young.

I'm going to talk. For another half an hour with Jack on the daily wire side and I think we'll probably go deeper into this issue of faith because we've covered a fair bit of his autobiography, which is what I often do.

It's fantastic. And that, I mean, that I think is the most incredible example of what a lot of these other people...

It was just an incredible book. I remember sitting, I read it last year when it came out and I was just, I mean, full, just tears reading it because these are the stories of the people that I grew up with. They're the things that I saw but was protected against.

What Is a Woman?

The reason that you gave is a very good one the fact that they're mutilating kids like you really don't need there are so many reasons why this issue matters and we ought to be engaged on it but you don't actually need to go past the simple fact that they're mutilating and butchering and abusing kids.

I originally thought of this as a as a fully satirical almost in a certain way playing a character almost as someone who's bought into this stuff and I'm getting these people to keep talking and we kind of as we as we began to film that we started to see it differently where we needed and so if you watch the movie you can tell it's like almost exactly halfway through there's this kind of tonal shift as we get into the more to the more serious conversations and we had to have that there because some of this stuff that's happening is so horrifically evil that there's no way that I can see to make it funny or anything and we have to we have to be willing to to stare right into that darkness.

I think that we've played a role a significant role in the political changes as well as well as the cultural changes I mentioned earlier just the fact that it from my vantage point people seem more willing to speak out and respond appropriately to some of these things.

can't remember the philosopher's name momentarily wrote being in time heidegger heidegger you know heidegger talked about being thrown into the world so your arbitrarily put somewhere parents or arbitrary your subject to society and this and you have these existential concerns that will never go away and one of them is the terrible corrupt weight of history and how you relate it to that as an ethical being