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Jack Barsky recounted his story in the book, "Deep Undercover." It detailed his double life in the US, his eventual abandonment of the communist utopian intellectual project, his conversion as a consequence of the love of his infant daughter, and his work for the FBI.
And he recounted his tale in a book called Deep Undercover, which was published in 2017 and shared all that with me today.
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Episode: 412. True Stories From a Soviet Spy | Jack Barsky
Jack Barsky recounted his story in the book, "Deep Undercover." It detailed his double life in the US, his eventual abandonment of the communist utopian intellectual project, his conversion as a consequence of the love of his infant daughter, and his work for the FBI.
And he recounted his tale in a book called Deep Undercover, which was published in 2017 and shared all that with me today.
And so we walked through all of that. And that's very interesting. Welcome aboard Mr. Barski. I think what came to my mind as the first mystery when I went through your book was the conditions of your upbringing.
I've been writing about this a little bit the pathological part of it is that it seems to me and I want to know what you think about this is that as soon as you make the assumption that anybody who who is more talented or who owns more is more talented or owns more because that's. And that that can only occur as a consequence of injustice and oppression and exploitation then you're setting up a situation where anyone who has any success whatsoever can be hated and and what would you say persecuted with a good conscience.
I've been trying to work through that dynamic theoretically because there is an association between that intellectual pride and utopian presumption you know when you just laid out a psychological dynamic you said you were young. You were celebrated for your intellectual prowess and you can see that intellectual prowess is valuable personally and socially and so you can understand that it being valued is appropriate but then you pointed to the fact that if it's celebrated inappropriately it tends to produce a kind of intellectual pride and condescension and then that works in sync see it works oddly in sync with the utopian presumptions of communism communism is a very intellectual system and it was designed by someone who had very deep intellectual pretensions marks himself and it's that it's that unholy combination of intellectual pride and the proposition that you're acting in that pride on behalf of people who are too foolish or stupid or stupid. You're ignorant or blind or otherwise what incapable of taking care of themselves right and then you could say well you're doing that for all the good reasons but you pointed out right away that there was an element of overweening pride in that that was attractive to you because you were celebrated it for your intellect when you were young.
I'm going to talk. For another half an hour with Jack on the daily wire side and I think we'll probably go deeper into this issue of faith because we've covered a fair bit of his autobiography, which is what I often do.