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If you're photographed running from one rally to another reading the grounding of the metaphysics of morals, that'll be this conversation

If you're photographed running from one rally to another reading the grounding of the metaphysics of morals, that'll be this conversation

His book is out.

I have not read the book yet.

His book is out.

I have not read the book yet.

I mean, there were a good three or four months that were just me reading all the great books. Jane Mayer's book, The Dark Side, and Barton Gellman, Angler, and Korn, and Isikoff, Hubris, I mean, on and on.

I mean, there were a good three or four months that were just me reading all the great books. Jane Mayer's book, The Dark Side, and Barton Gellman, Angler, and Korn, and Isikoff, Hubris, I mean, on and on.

I mean, there were a good three or four months that were just me reading all the great books. Jane Mayer's book, The Dark Side, and Barton Gellman, Angler, and Korn, and Isikoff, Hubris, I mean, on and on.

I mean, there were a good three or four months that were just me reading all the great books. Jane Mayer's book, The Dark Side, and Barton Gellman, Angler, and Korn, and Isikoff, Hubris, I mean, on and on.

If someone had told me growing up in New Jersey where my dad was a pediatrician in Asbury Park while I was listening To my own personal copy of The River the double album that came out in 1980

And second another book he wrote about how basically you tell stories called Which Lie Did I Tell which is not in fact the title for the autobiography of Donald Trump.

And second another book he wrote about how basically you tell stories called Which Lie Did I Tell

He's a best-selling author. He's written seven books, one of them, The Run of His Life, The People vs. OJ Simpson, which is quite popular, a book called The Nine about the Supreme Court.

He's written seven books, one of them, The Run of His Life, The People vs. OJ Simpson, which is quite popular, a book called The Nine about the Supreme Court.

Winston Churchill and then there was a an avalanche of criticism About that because there was an unseemly side some people say to Winston Churchill and he was not so modern in his views and all the ways we would like someone to Be and then he apologized for quoting Churchill.

It was the most anodyne quote Churchill says and he quoted in victory magnanimity When you're winning be generous, it strikes me as a perfectly reasonable thing to say.

Oh, I'm so sorry. I should have looked this up that I stand corrected This is not absurd look every historical figure of any significance is complicated

Churchill says and he quoted in victory magnanimity When you're winning be generous

He's now a fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, a columnist at the Washington Post, and the author of a new book. The Corrosion of Conservatism, Why I Left the Right.

So you've written this book. It's called The Corrosion of Conservatism, Why I Left the Right.

But the subtitle is the best part.

Max Blue, very big letters, your name.

And there's a there's an ailing elephant on the cover. That's actually the coolest element because that's actually from a 19th century Harper's cartoon by Thomas Nast, the great cartoonist.

He's now a fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, a columnist at the Washington Post, and the author of a new book. The Corrosion of Conservatism, Why I Left the Right.

So you've written this book. It's called The Corrosion of Conservatism, Why I Left the Right.

I came up with the subtitle, but I got to give my editor credit for the title.

Max Blue, very big letters, your name. That wasn't in my contract, that was up to the publisher, whatever they want to do. And there's a there's an ailing elephant on the cover.

That's actually the coolest element because that's actually from a 19th century Harper's cartoon by Thomas Nast, the great cartoonist.

I've written three novels about a female president.

I've written three novels about a female president. I thought that the idea that things were so broken, you know, why not see what female leadership looks like in that job?

I've written an entire book about this subject called The Real All-Americans.

I've written an entire book about this subject called The Real All-Americans.

Congratulations on your book, the latest of many books, as we were discussing just before we started recording. This book, Our Man, Richard Holbrook and the End of the American Century.

George Packer's latest book is about the storied and sometimes infamous diplomat Richard Holbrooke.

Through nearly six decades of public service and multiple administrations, the story of Holbrooke's complicated rise and fall resonates in discussions about American politics and principles today.

Everyone, please go get your copy of George Packer's Our Man, Richard Holbrook and the End of the American Century.

Her most recent work, These Truths, tackles the history of America, wrestling with the aspiration and the oppression, the triumphant and the atrocious, to try and build a bridge between battling interpretations of our world.

She's a prolific author and her most recent tome is These Truths, a history of the United States which delves into the thick of competing historical narratives about this country, wrestling with larger questions about America's past and what it teaches us about the present and portends for the future.

So you and I share a fondness for a particular historical figure... I was telling my team when we were talking about this interview and how you talk about Darrow in your book. I read two biographies of Clarence Darrow in college. I delivered in speech competitions a portion of his closing argument in the case of the People v. Henry Sweet. And I quote from him in my book and in a lot of speeches I give.

It was one of the more fun pieces of the research I did for The Big History of the United States Sees Truths because I got fascinated by-

But I was just reading -- I don't know if he counts as a founding father, but I've been reading Jill Lepore's amazing book. And I was reading about Luther Martin.

The book includes his reporting on top officials who stood up to Trump while he was president, as well as Trump's controversial statements reportedly calling members of the military suckers and losers.

It's my favorite kind of book. Short. Tiny, a tiny little book. I was able to get through the whole thing.

The title of the book is On Heroism. You also talk about its opposite cowardice. You talk about generals and military people who decided to work for Trump.

I believe that John Kelly may have saved us from a nuclear war.

The book includes his reporting on top officials who stood up to Trump while he was president, as well as Trump's controversial statements reportedly calling members of the military suckers and losers.

It's my favorite kind of book. Short. Tiny, a tiny little book. I was able to get through the whole thing.

The issue now is, as my colleague David Frum put it, the velociraptor has learned how to turn the door handles.

I believe that John Kelly may have saved us from a nuclear war.

He said the Medal of Freedom, which is the civilian equivalent, you can get without dying. So it's a much better, it's a much better prize than the Medal of Honor.

the Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion

we also made it clear that this Russian Interference was designed to favor one candidate over another

Dear world, this was an assassination attempt on Donald Trump, but I failed you. I tried my best and gave it all the gumption I could muster. It is up to you now to finish the job, and I will offer $150,000 to whomever can complete the job

because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the president's conduct. The evidence we obtained about the president's actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment. At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the president clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.

hey Russia, if you're listening, wouldn't it be great if you found these emails that belong to Hillary Clinton?

the Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion

we also made it clear that this Russian Interference was designed to favor one candidate over another

Dear world, this was an assassination attempt on Donald Trump, but I failed you. I tried my best and gave it all the gumption I could muster. It is up to you now to finish the job, and I will offer $150,000 to whomever can complete the job

He's the author of the new book, Vote With Your Phone, Why Mobile Voting Is Our Final Shot at Saving Democracy.

And that is the idea that notwithstanding how much we're told we're polarized, notwithstanding all this harsh rhetoric on one side or the other, and people on the extremes deciding what happens at the ballot box and primaries as you mentioned, that there's a lot of overlapping consensus on a lot of issues.

In fact, when we did the book launch last night and in the book itself there's an essay from Mark Riccobono

the kid in the Parkland shooting who kind of emerged from it and started Gen Z advocacy group, he wrote the foreword for the book

Congressman Josh Gottheimer for sure has a vote in the book

He's the author of the new book, Vote With Your Phone, Why Mobile Voting Is Our Final Shot at Saving Democracy.

The median home price in the US is six times the median annual income. 50 years ago it was two times.

the oldest elected populace in the world perhaps doesn't relate to the challenges facing young people.

stoicism is not just about remaining calm in the face of temptation. It means having good character. And this is the line that struck me. Succeeding in life is much easier if other people want you to succeed.

The good news is I know how to get you rich. The bad news is the answer is slowly.

The key to success in my view is to forgive yourself and be humble.

He does just that in his popular books, including his latest, The Biggest Ideas in the Universe, Space, Time, and Motion.

I never thought like originally when his book came out Kitchen Confidential, I think a lot of people in the culinary world was like, whatever, this guy was a middling cook.

I was mind blown reading Nick Bostrom's book and Ray Kurzweil and you know, a few others.