The book was mentioned as a reference for a discussion on the end of the 'end of history' era. It explores the idea of liberal democracy as the ultimate expression of society, but the podcast guest argued that recent events have challenged this thesis.
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I'm like halfway through the Fukuyama book right now. I started reading it about two weeks ago. Setting aside whether it's right or wrong, it's a very interesting book.
It's evident that deterrence didn't work for Putin invading Ukraine. It's evident that deterrence didn't work for Hamas and then perhaps what's going on with Hezbollah against Israel, big question mark, whether deterrence is enough for maintaining the status quo with Taiwan. These are all questions that you have to ask yourself. The end of the end of history, for me, means, do we have to have a completely different security architecture in the immediate aftermath of the in the Cold War period?
In the post-World War Two period, we had NSC-68, which said we need to develop the H-bomb, we need to be able to fight two and a half wars and we ended up not doing deterrence, we ended up fighting multiple wars in order to enforce the liberal democratic order. I worry that we're moving back into an era where the end of the end of history means that we can't just, as my friend Neil Ferguson says, talk softly and carry a big stick, that we'll have to actually use the use the stick.
I think this cohort of policymakers in the mainstream, certainly of US policymakers, believes that the post-Cold War architecture either doesn't really demand the US to do that much or deterrence is enough, but it's evident that deterrence didn't work for Putin invading Ukraine.
In Fukuyama's telling, liberal democracy is like the logical endpoint for society, that's the ultimate sort of the expression of society with the least internal contradictions and so what you're saying now is like actually there is competition, there are people and there are countries, etc., maybe there is a different way. Listen, surveys of the global south and if you don't trust the surveys, just look at what the leadership does, whether it's Brazil or India, they're not taking sides, they're seeing the dialectic between liberal democracy and illiberal tendencies and they are not so sure about signing up with the post-Cold War liberal order, just by revealed preference. So you're seeing this play out in real time in a very important way, even with allies who we've hugged closer in certain spheres, like like India. So I think this is a real you're seeing the manifestation of it right in front of your right in front of our eyes.