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Ron Howard directed a movie based on his book right, I mean he's changed since then, but he has an ability to live in a lot of different worlds and that's a really really, um, a valuable asset for a vice president, J.D. Vance, um, hopefully he's going to be on the show very soon but I've said to the audience from the day we launched, it was literally one of, if not, the most favorite interview I've ever done, it was while I was NBC, it's one of, one of the few very good things that came out of that year, that year plus when I was there and, um, I encourage you to go back and look at the YouTube of it, it's truly worth your 11 minutes, or however long that the piece was, and I don't say this in a sycophantic way, I don't have a girl crush on J.D. Vance, I love only one man and that's my husband, but J.D. Vance is a beautiful person, that's my biggest takeaway, was this is a beautiful man, he has been through a lot and has overcome and has managed to like stay within his own soul, solid, spiritual, connected to his family, very aware of his own failings and the dangers to him given his upbringing, loves his wife, his family, all of his family's nuclear family and the children he has of course with Usha, and I'm rooting for that guy to succeed, I don't really care if it says vice president or a senator, or just as a human, you just the more you learn about him I think the more you like him.

I think it's 100 true, I, I don't think there's anything that's going to diminish the desire of Democrats, if he wins another term to impeach him, I, I think that that's just, but also I think it's funny that I just said about Steve Bannon talking about how much he loves AOC, if you take that, that Don Jr. quote, and you gave it to somebody, I don't know, 10, 15 years ago and you said, who is the person talking about corporate billionaires and warmongers, you would assume it was Noam Chomsky, you would assume it was somebody on the left, I mean, this is why people like Bannon, and why people like Don Jr., uh kind of, you know, respect people on the populist left because it's become, it's become such an overlap, but somebody like J.D. Vance, who I really strongly disagree with on a lot of issues, the one thing you can't take away from him, if you see him, I've seen him dealing with, there was one recent, uh interview he gave to CNN in which they were thought they were going to dunk on him because what, what happens with journalists, when it comes to MAGA types, is that you always assume because you are right and they are wrong, this is from the perspective of the journalist, that it'll be easy right, because you know they just lie and they make things up, J.D. Vance is no dummy, I mean, he's very very skilled at this and I, it was the first person I saw in kind of MAGA universe, so skillfully and artfully, you can win by, you know, as Steve Bannon says in that clip, having a hammer like Matt Boyle, hammer is usually the tool that they use, that would be Vance's uh great advantage.

Look, I was wrong about Donald Trump.

I didn't think he was going to be a good president.

He was a great president.

I think you should, when you, when you're wrong about something, you should change your mind and be honest with people about that fact.

I think he's doing that.

It's not that he loathes his mom, but I can speak to this personally. When you've got someone in your family, who's got a rampaging drug addiction, it, it ruins them and it can ruin your relationship and it can ruin your family at least temporarily. And those scars may not fully ever heal. And so it was actually really damn brave for them to put her out there. And J.D. didn't try to say like, we're all good. We're all good. You know, talking about her, there was a reference in a speech that kind of suggested she's here and you know, it's complicated.

He writes this thing, Hillbilly Elegy, right. About, about sort of growing up poor and now the people in, but he, but he blames the people for their circumstance. Look, I grew up in poverty. I remember what it feels like to be hungry. I remember what it feels like not to have enough.

He's one of those people that wants people to pull themselves up by the bootstraps when they don't have boots. So he has made it out of Appalachia, but he is blaming those people in Appalachia for the structural problems that keep them there. And I think that is the most despicable thing about him. He wrote a really interesting and smart book about getting on and didn't recognize that he isn't out of poverty. Well, he is bereft. He's bereft of morality. He has, he is bereft of morality. He's bereft of spine with empathy.

And he called them lazy, acting like he understands our culture, and he's one of us. He's not.

He said it was weird that I attacked, and this is in his words, his, quote, origin story. Fictional characters have an origin story. Real people have childhoods. So let me be clear, J.D. Vance ain't from Kentucky. He ain't from Appalachia, and he ain't going to be your vice president.

He just started talking in this divisive, dismissive and cool way about people who are different from him. And that is just not the person that I used to know.

Well, I don't think anyone knows what J.D. or Usha believe because they have literally changed their principles on every imaginable issue.

What I think is reflected in both of their changing of their principles on every single issue is that their core value is amassing money and power, not the integrity and kindness that I think are core values of everyone in the Rust Belt.

J.D. Vance is a phony. He's fake.

He claims to be from Eastern Kentucky, tries to write a book about it to profit off our people, and then he calls us lazy.

He's not.

I have read so many think pieces about your book and seen so many interviews with you. I have the book right here.

But your story, first of all, is fascinating. So the way you went from sort of rust belt country to Yale.

I've got to play a little bit of this because I'd love to get your reaction. Here he is. J.D. Vance is a phony. He's fake. I mean, he first says that Donald Trump is like Hitler, and now he's acting like he's Lincoln. I mean, the problem with J.D. Vance is he has no conviction, but I guess his running mate has 34. He claims to be from Eastern Kentucky, tries to write a book about it to profit off our people, and then he calls us lazy. And this makes me angry, but it especially makes me angry about our people in Eastern Kentucky. Listen, these are the hardworking coal miners that powered the industrial revolution, that helped build the strongest middle class the world has ever seen, helped us win two world wars, and he called them lazy, acting like he understands our culture, and he's one of us. He's not.

He claims to be from Eastern Kentucky, tries to write a book about it to profit off our people, and then he calls us lazy.

And he called them lazy, acting like he understands our culture, and he's one of us. He's not.

And then you move on to Yale Law School and there's Amy Chua, our mutual friend who we love, who encouraged you to write the book and change your life and saw in you this special story in person that ultimately would lead you to enter the national conversation.

And I think even Joy Reid could see it back then. Now, maybe not.

You know, we're going to go read Hillbilly Elegy or some other book to try to understand people in the middle of the country.

Hillbilly Elegy tells us the code to follow when one feels that one has been wronged and that code is to fight, to fight.

I'm not one of these people who says that poor folks don't have any disadvantages. Like, I can't possibly look at my grandma's life and my grandma's upbringing and say she had the same set of opportunities as someone who was born in an upper class background in the 1940s in New York City.

Hillbilly Elegy takes a hard look at sort of the malaise happening in these communities in the Rust Belt, the almost the lack of agency a lot of a lot of these workers have.

There's a line in the book that says hillbillies could go from zero to murderous in a fucking heartbeat.

We talked to you about Beverly earlier in the week when we went back over my long-form interview with him and talked about Hillbilly Elegy.

And I was like, like, that's a guy we need to run for office. Right. You know, it's not the sort of the typical checkbox thing like, yeah, he went to Yale Law, but he went to the Marine Corps out of high school.

And then sort of coming around and come around. It sort of met a while ago now towards, I guess, the end of my father's term, talking a lot, hanging out, became like really good friends with him.

I read Hillbilly Elegy when it came out.

My home, he writes in Hillbilly Elegy, was a hub of misery.

You got to read the book.

When I finished the book, I felt a little worried about you.

The book is not an effort to sort of finally work through all of these things that happened when I was a kid. It's the beginning of an effort that will probably take me for the rest of my life.

It's like, yeah, I love Trump, but like what?

So it appears that no good deed goes unpunished because even though JD Vance wrote this bestselling book Hail Belly Elegy that was made into a film by Ron Howard that cast Glenn Close in the iconic role of JD's MAMA.

Glenn Close is not grateful for any of those opportunities because by the way for which she was nominated for an Academy Award a Golden Globe and a Screen Actors Guild Award.

They could choose to focus on that just as much as they focused on an old J.D. Vance comment on the Childless Cat Ladies.

I think you got the Hillbilly Elegy against the real hillbilly.

Dennis I know has been reading Hillbilly Elegy by JD Vance.

I see a lot of parallels here in some ways between what Usha, JD's wife has done for him and what Nancy Reagan did for Ron.

He's trying to out-come and he's trying to out-pour J.D. Vance who has a hit best seller and a Hollywood film based on how poor he was as a kid growing up.

That angst that JD Bantz talks about in Hillbilly Elegy, none of my Hillbilly cousins went to Yale and none of them went on to be adventure capitalists or whatever.

It's not who people really are.

Dennis I know has been reading "Hillbilly Elegy" by J.D. Vance.

I see a lot of parallels here in some ways between what Usha, J.D.'s wife has done for him and what Nancy Reagan did for Ron.

and he's trying to out pour J.D. Vance who has a hit best seller and a Hollywood film based on how poor he was as a kid growing up

That angst that JD Bantz talks about in Hillbilly Elegy, none of my Hillbilly cousins went to Yale and none of them went on to be adventure capitalists or whatever. It's not who people really are.

It's not who people really are.

This year when you held up the book it looks to me it kind of reminded me of J.D. Vance's Hillbilly Elegy and your story in some ways really reminds me of his story too where he had so many challenges in his nuclear family that he grew up in with his mother all sorts of issues there not to mention father figures and through it all he had two really important influences his sister Lindsay and his mama whose grandmother, his maternal grandmother and they made all the difference

Go back and read his book Hillbilly Elegy...

...and I've said it's always been far my favorite interview I've ever done was of J.D. Vance in-depth at NBC.

It's kind of like...it reminds you of JD Vance's Hillbilly, you know, it's kind of like that in its tone and who you're talking to.

This remains my favorite interview I did while I was at NBC. It's just such a pick yourself up by the bootstraps and try to make life happen despite so many things being thrown at him story.

If you read his book, Hillbilly Elegy, which you must if you haven't met you, but America, a mixed race guy from Canada who grew up in a fatherless home and a Latino with Cuban-American roots who are pushing the solutions to that.

It's not totally dissimilar from Hillbilly Elegy by JD Vance. It just takes a hard, honest and sometimes unfavorable view of Appalachia and what's happened there.

He's getting killed, killed in the reviews, which was completely predictable.

But I read those reviews, and I think the movie was great. And I think, you know what? It's okay to go after deplorables again, and it's not okay to humanize them as he does.

Vance paints Appalachia as a near exclusively white space erased our black residents and their history in the region missing are the many generations of native American communities ignored is a growing Latino population disregarded are Appalachians who embrace racial justice and acceptance of their LGBTQ neighbors.

It's like, okay, so BIPOC is black indigenous people of color, LGBTQIA is lesbian, gender nonconforming, bisexual, transgender, intersex, asexual.

And I read this and I'm like, you people are crazy. Like truly the authentic, real Appalachians use these like 14 character pronouns every time they talk about themselves.

Well, you're not allowed to feel sympathy for them. Why? Because they have white skin.

I think about somebody like J.D. Vance, you know, who grew up in Appalachia and had a mother who was addicted to drugs and nobody in the family had ever been to college.

We met for the first time in person when I was doing a profile on JD Vance and I went to Yale Law School to talk to you as the person who had encouraged him as his professor to write that memoir.

It's getting killed, killed in the reviews, which was completely predictable.

But I read those reviews and I think of the movie was great. And I think, you know what? It's okay to, it's okay to go after deplorables again. And it's, and it's not okay to humanize them as he does.

I have been surprised and, you know, and concerned by a lot of the rhetoric, you know, coming out of that campaign given the experience that I had then five, six years ago.

I'm very surprised and disappointed by much of the rhetoric I'm reading and hearing. People do change and I assume that's the case.

He made, he made the movie Hillbilly Elegy a couple of years ago based on J.D. Vance's bestselling book and good for him for making the movie.

I have been surprised and, you know, and, and concerned by a lot of the rhetoric, you know, coming out of that campaign.

He made the movie Hillbilly Elegy a couple of years ago based on JD Vance bestselling book and good for him for making the movie even though at that point we knew that JD Vance you know seem to be more Republican leaning but more of a Trump whisperer at that point who could explain the white working class as opposed to you know it's fine to be a Republican as long as you're never Trump Republican.

And I'm not sure what else we should put on our drinking bingo card, but give us some thought and I'll come back to you after the break.

I will say if J.D. Vance does not mention the name Mamaw, I will fall off of my sofa.

Humanizing and a great personality who millions of Americans know, thanks to his book Hillbilly Elegy and the movie,

Kelly J. Keene, Helen Joyce, Abigail Shrier's book.

I love Abigail Schreier who wrote one of the most important books I've ever read, which was Irreversible Damage.

You are not helping them read Irreversible Damage by Abigail Shryler Shryer.

The consequences are, as Abigail Schreier said in her iconic book, irreversible.

Abigail Shrier, who I know does work for the Free Press, too, and I absolutely love her and her book, Irreversible Damage was a game changer for me, too. She was also one of our first guests.

She has been brilliant and right about a lot before others were.

And one of our first guests, you guys have heard me say before was Abigail Schreier, who wrote the must read Irreversible Damage.

And we talked about how the entire industry of psychotherapy for children when it comes to gender confusion has been co-opted that you can't trust these psychiatric authorities, the psychotherapy authorities, because the entire industry had adopted an affirm, affirm, affirm only standard of care.

When Abigail Shrier wrote her book 'Irreversible Damage' in 2020, there were precious few resources out there for parents struggling with this issue.

It was her work on which Abigail Schreier based 'Irreversible Damage' in large part.

Schreier was one of our first episodes. We didn't even have video back then. It was episode 12. Lippman came on episode 188. Both so, so worth your time.

One of the first guests we ever had on the show was Abigail Schreier, who wrote the must read book, Irreversible Damage.

Abigail Schreier had written her beautiful and immensely important book, Irreversible Damage, documenting the social contagion sweeping teenage and adolescent girls, a group that traditionally had very few members claiming gender dysphoria, but was quickly on its way to having more than any other.

Abigail Schreier writes about that in Irreversible Damage, which I'm sure you're all familiar with it saying how the parents need to be very careful before just taking your kid into a therapist on this, you got to find the right therapist.

If you have not read Irreversible Damage and you care at all about what the trans community, the medical community, which is on bended knee to the trans activists, what they're doing to our young girls in particular, you need to get this book right now.

And trust me, I've had so many people thank me for recommending this book, Abigail, and thank you for writing it.

Abigail has actual solutions for parents dealing with this with their kids in Irreversible Damage.

Irreversible Damage can happen just with hormones, nevermind surgeries.

Abigail Schreier, of course, in her wonderful book Irreversible Damage, has taken a deep dive into this and she's been proven right. I mean, time and time again.

That's why Abigail named the book Irreversible Damage.

Abigail Shrier's done a great job of documenting this.

One of the things I love about Abigail's book, Irreversible Damages, she offers real solutions for parents who are going through this.

And hers is based on in part the work of Brown University professor, former Lisa Lippman, who's been really revolutionary in studying this. And so there is a social contagion factor to some instances of transgender, of being transgender.

If you have not read, if you haven't read her book, Irreversible Damage, the transgender craze seducing our daughters, you have to, you must.

She is on to it.

It's a life changer.

I have her book.

Everybody should read her book, Irreversible Damage, if you haven't already.

My gosh, it was life-changing for me. It just showed me so much and helped me a lot with my friends who have kids who are going through this.

I've referred everybody to it and to her.

Abigail talked to us about this hour spent on YouTube, on Reddit, on Tumblr.

Abigail's much more articulate and helpful on it, but I can hear how stressful this has been for you.

In her book, it's a very useful prescription in case you see the sudden onset of gender dysphoria in your teenage child. It wasn't there before, and one day she comes home and says, I think I might be a boy. And you have very good reason to suspect this is a social contagion and not actual gender dysphoria. And you should read her book to find out what she says to do because it's very helpful. It's just like basically go on a six-month to year-long trip to Europe, log off of all devices for the love of God, get her or him off of YouTube.

Abigail Schreier has a great and disturbing piece out. And, you know, she wrote Irreversible Damages and has been jumping up and down about the transgender craze that's been happening in some pockets, not to diminish it as an actual thing for some people, but it's become a craze for others.

Abigail Shriner's got some good chapters in her book talking about what you should do if that happens.

Abigail Schreier, who wrote Irreversible Damage, which every parent in universe should read as far as I'm concerned.

She made the point of if someone came to us as moms, and I know you're a mom of three kids too. If someone came to us and said, here's a device that you could give to your young child, your tween or early teen, and it will increase stress, anxiety, depression, pretty much guaranteed bullying and could drive suicidal thoughts and alienation. Enjoy.

Irreversible Damage, which everyone should read, anybody should read that kid or no kid.

I also understand why Amazon will ban Ryan T. Anderson's humorously titled but actually scholarly book When Harry Became Sally,

Abigail Schreier has been doing an amazing job she wrote the book Irreversible Damage, but her tweets always update what's happening on this front.

I think you're probably referencing Abigail Shrier's book there, just among girls transitioning to being boys or wanting to.

And as her efforts to get her side of this discussion out have shown, it's very hard to discuss, right? There are people who want to cancel her over this.

taking a look at this issue from the other side Abigail Shrier's Irreversible Damage got all sorts of blow back from the Amazon employees

He just should have taken the anti out of the title. He would have accurately titled his own book.

Kendi says that the answer to past inequalities is present inequalities, that the answer to past prejudice is present prejudice.

They teach patina love. They teach Ibram X Kendi. They teach Robin D'Angelo.

They were like, nope, we are all Ibram X. Kendi, you know, acolytes now.

It may be not exactly part of the core mission to have the military read Ibram X. Kendi's How to Be an Antiracist.

Admiral Michael Gilday, chief of naval operations, bristled when he was questioned about why they're having the military read even Rex Kendi's 'How to Be an Anti-Racist'. They're having the sailors read that just as General Milley defended it as well.

So no, right. So it's like the push by the Biden administration, the Democrats right now in Congress is not to push civics, they want to push this far left agenda.

And the two things that were mentioned were the 1619 Project and the teachings of Ibram X. Kendi.

You see it everywhere from the Smithsonian institution describing the phrase objective reality or objective truth is white supremacy.

white terror is as American as the stars and stripes.

Hey, Ibram X. Kendi, let's talk about your book. I don't believe in it. I think you've made mistakes. You've been sloppy. Let's talk about it.

And he won't debate Coleman Hughes, a 24-year-old guy who's done his homework because he's afraid.

How to Be an Antiracist by Ibram X. Kendi. And when I saw it, I have to say,

How to Be an Antiracist by Ibram X. Kendi.

How progressive elites, tribalism and globalism are destroying the idea of America.

I don't think they're in such a good position. Iran is and nobody likes them.

And they know that Joe Biden may not order that, but there are forces in the Senate, the House, the American public that would demand that.

He's failing at a geometric, not arithmetic rate.

He's declined enormously. It's very tragic.

I think they feel that they have a serious problem and they have the solution to.

He's one trip away from oblivion. He really is.

I think that there's going to be pressure on him because he's going to get so embarrassing in the next 18 months that sometime in March or February, they'll do like LBJ did in 68. He's not going to run.

Victor Davis Hanson is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and author of The Dying Citizen.

How progressive elites, tribalism and globalization are destroying the idea of America.

I think it's kind of a wise move. It kind of removes him from the whole cycle drama going on with Tucker and Fox.

He's looking for alternative but equally effective media strategy.

He's trying to come across as somebody who has a completely new ideas on all of these problems. And one of them is the media. How do you deal with the media?

It's about an attack on traditional America and any resistance against this progressive project.

Victor is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. He hosts his own podcast, The Victor Davis Hanson Show, and he is author of the great book The Dying Citizen, how progressive elites, tribalism and globalization are destroying the idea of America.

It's a great book. I've read it. My husband's read it. We give it to our neighbor. He read it and loved it. So you guys should check it out.

He is the author of several bestselling books, including his most recent The Dying Citizen, How Progressive Elites, Tribalism and Globalization are Destroying the Idea of America.

Joining me now is Victor Davis Hanson...author of the great, great book, The Dying Citizen.

Don't forget to buy his book, The Dying Citizen. It is wonderful and so educational.

Joining me now is Victor Davis Hanson...author of the great, great book, The Dying Citizen.

Don't forget to buy his book, The Dying Citizen. It is wonderful and so educational.

So I think we're starting to see that people have concluded that wokeness that was an abstraction on the national level is done two things. It's making life impossible to live, whether that on the national level means you can't afford out here in California, five dollar gas or your natural gas bill.

And it makes it possible to live. And with high inflation and high energy prices and an open border and a collapsing foreign policy, it looks like a complete systems collapse.

But they would. We didn't have suddenly, you know, the wall collapse on the border. We did that on the border. We did that with critical race theory.

And it won't work economically, culturally, politically, socially. It doesn't work. And the chaos is there for all of us to see it.

And I think if everybody will just kind of transcend that used to be that we were living in a monastery of our minds. A lot of people say, I don't watch the NBA anymore. I'm done with it. I don't watch network news. I'm done with it.

I think this whole woke revolution, Megan, is a top down phenomenon. It's an argument among wealthy elites or want to be wealthy elites or celebrities.

It doesn't bode well for any, but particularly as you say, and I wrote in the book that if you're a multiracial democracy, a very rare concept, there are no multiracial democracies in history that I can think of.

But when you have a consensual society and it's multiracial, it's dependent upon everybody's primary identity being American, an idea, and that your ethnic or racial or religious identity enriching the body politic, you know, food, fashion, music, culture, but not tampering with the core.

So I think a lot of ways. The first thing it is that one of the reasons that, you know, I travel a lot in the Middle East and I asked a lot of people and I said, why doesn't the Middle East work? And they said, because every, I hear it again and again, we hire our first cousin rather than somebody who's meritocratic, somebody that's in our tribe, somebody that is in our religion, but especially from, so if we start adjudicating who gets into which particular school or who becomes in the United pilot training program, or if the CEO of American airlines can't guarantee that when you take off, you'll have enough fuel.

It's a zero sum game, Megan, when you invest enormous amounts of capital and labor and time in a commissary system, where you're looking over your shoulder all the time or somebody without talent, a diversity, inclusion, and equity coordinators don't look at your syllabus and doesn't know anything about Virgil or Sophocles or in the old days, your chairman would say, you know, Victor, I think you're reading a little bit too many Euripides in that class. Why don't you put some Sophocles or Thucydides?

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The Mysterious Case of Rudolf Diesel by Doug Brunt. It's officially a New York Times bestseller as well as an Apple Book of the Year an Audible Book of the Year it's even been optioned for a movie.

Rave reviews from the Times, the Journal Publishers Weekly and more calling Diesel a wildly enjoyable ride.

It is a page-turning thriller about the greatest caper of the 20th century all involving a man whose name you likely see at the gas station every day but probably had no idea was at the center of one of the greatest mysteries of all time.

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It's officially a New York Times bestseller as well as an Apple Book of the Year and Audible Book of the Year. It's even been optioned for a movie.

Rave reviews from The Times, The Journal, Publishers Weekly and more calling Diesel a wildly enjoyable ride.

It is a page-turning thriller about the greatest caper of the 20th century, all involving a man whose name you likely see at the gas station every day but probably had no idea was at the center of one of the greatest mysteries of all time.

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Doug has sold the book to Film Rights.

It was just voted one of Apple's best books of the year.

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So here is The Mysterious Case of Rudolf Diesel. This is Doug's bestseller. This book has sold a ton. Hugely successful. And it's a mystery about Rudolf Diesel, who was the Elon Musk of his time, who went missing.

We spent months going back and forth on the title, originally calling it Engines and Empires, but in the end we settled on The Mysterious Case of Rudolf Diesel.

The title change was a lastsecond decision; the editors loved the new name and felt it captured the intrigue of the Diesel mystery better than Engines and Empires.

So here is The Mysterious Case of Rudolf Diesel. This is Doug's bestseller. It's a mystery about Rudolf Diesel, who was the Elon Musk of his time, who went missing and Doug solved the case.

For months and months, my editor and I were going back and forth like we're going to solve this over a bottle of wine. We came up with Engines and Empires. It's the diesel engine. And I loved it.

I'll interrupt you briefly. So my husband wrote a book called The Mysterious Case of Rudolf Diesel, and it was about the inventor of the diesel engine who lived in the late 1800s, early 1900s. He was the Elon Musk of his time. He won the World's Fair in 1900 with his new exciting engine. And the reason we have diesel gas is because you have a diesel engine. It's like this guy who most people think diesel is a lowercase word. It's not even a proper noun. But diesel was the man who invented it, and his engines are everywhere, everywhere. That's incredible.

1984 is becoming a reality for police, word police, language police in Scotland.

he also kind of referred to as a Stalinist too because he then he then invoked Orwell's 1984 which is obviously a book about Stalinism so yeah that Vivek that showed up early and seemed to be like he was going to be the the first debate Vivek became even crazier than I had seen previously

he then invoked Orwell's 1984, which is obviously a book about Stalinism so yeah that Vivek that showed up early and seemed to be like he was going to be the the first debate Vivek became even crazier than I had seen previously

I remember one time I used the term 1984 and Orwell and I'm like, wait, I never even read the book. So I sat down, I read that and I read Animal Farm, then I read some of his letters and his writings.

It predicted everything. Sorry, NBD, we're running out of time, but it's always worth a 1984 reference.

It is as though they read Orwell's 1984 not as a warning, but as a how to book

favorably in 2020, a book that hadn't been in print, I mean, hadn't been published for 70 years. It was 70 years old, suddenly became a top 20 bestseller. And that was 1984, was a top 20 bestseller in 2020.

It was almost straight off George Orwell's 1984, to, to tell deliberate lies and contradict oneself and to hold two contradictory beliefs at the same time.

In 1984, the book by George Orwell, there's this one line, if there's any hope, it lies with the proles, the proletariat, the working class.

In 1984, the book by George Orwell, there's this one line, if there's any hope, it lies with the proles, the proletariat, the working class.

In 1984, the book by George Orwell, there's this one line, if there's any hope, it lies with the proles, the proletariat, the working class.

It's what Orwell wrote in his book, 1984. If there's any hope, it lies with the proles.

I remember being in English class and my English teacher said, what are you doing? So I'm drawing Judas Priest. And he goes, why? We're reading the book 1984. And I went, if you listen to the first song called Electric Guy, it's all about 1984. I just learned differently than you do.

George Orwell talks about this in 1984, which these days has been skyrocketing up the bestseller charts on Amazon.

This book, Good Energy, you can see it's got all my highlights on it. It's pretty, isn't it? It's got a nice cover.

And I also listen to the audiobook, because, you know, that's how I consume most of my books these days and that other interview with Tucker that I just mentioned.

The surprising connection between metabolism and limitless health.

The book is Good Energy by Casey Means, MD.

Again, it's called Good Energy by Casey Means, MD,

This book, Good Energy, you can see it's got all my highlights on it. It's pretty, isn't it? It's got a nice cover.

This book, Good Energy, the surprising connection between metabolism and limitless health.

The unique thing about this moment in time that we're living right now is that our world has radically changed, just exponential rate of change over the past 100 or so years with industrialization and urbanization and technological advancement.

So what the chronic disease epidemic really represents is this just sheer and utter confusion of our bodies with the signals that it's getting from all around us.

And so I think that it is helpful to talk a little bit about the walking that you were talking about because I think this is very free and practical and actionable for people.

Casey gets into regenerative agriculture and farming in her book, Good Energy, which everyone should buy and read.

It's not an overstatement to say that I learned virtually nothing at Stanford Medical School about the tens of thousands of scientific papers that elucidate these root causes of why American health is plummeting and how environmental factors are causing it.

For each additional serving of ultra-processed food we eat, early mortality increases by 18 percent. This now makes up 67 percent of the foods our kids are eating.

I took zero nutrition courses in medical school.

Casey gets into regenerative agriculture and farming in her book, Good Energy, which everyone should buy and read.

Casey gets into regenerative agriculture and farming in her book, Good Energy, which everyone should buy and read.

It's not an overstatement to say that I learned virtually nothing at Stanford Medical School about the tens of thousands of scientific papers that elucidate these root causes of why American health is plummeting and how environmental factors are causing it.

For each additional serving of ultra-processed food we eat, early mortality increases by 18 percent. This now makes up 67 percent of the foods our kids are eating.

I took zero nutrition courses in medical school.

Casey gets into regenerative agriculture and farming in her book, Good Energy, which everyone should buy and read.

Good Energy which is a must read.

It was on the heels of our having Casey Means on this show, Dr. Casey Means and discussing her book Good Energy which is a must read.

When you read her book, Good Energy, which I highly recommend.

And the coda to Mary's heartbreaking story is that after he fought her siblings for her remains so he could bury her publicly in the Kennedy family plot, a week later, without the required permits, he secretly had her coffin dug up and moved 700 feet away to be buried alone on the side of a hill facing traffic.

This guy is running for the highest office. Days before it's due to be published, they tell us, sorry, we can't run it.

So for example, my last book, American Predator, was published by Viking. That book did gangbusters for them. It made them a ton of money.

And this is all it's stuff that's in the water supply and it does no good to pretend that it's not there.

She described herself in the president as twin icebergs, very composed above the surface, but all of the messy, interesting stuff sort of breaking furiously below.

On a new book... about the Kennedy family that is generating a ton of headlines... the book raises questions about whether John F. Kennedy Jr. was on a death mission during his reckless plane crash.

The book was vetted front to back. It was legaled eight ways to Sunday. My publisher says we don't have enough fact checkers.

Again, the name of it is Ask Not. The Kennedys and the Women They Destroyed, which is out next week.

It's called Ask Not the Kennedys and the Women They Destroyed.

This is the must read book of the summer.

And by the way, we just did an in-depth piece with Maureen Callahan, who wrote the book Ask Not, which is all about the Kennedy family.

And she goes in depth on how that whole thing of Camelot, you know, between Jackie and Jack was made up.

It was made up by Jackie just to make their relationship look better after he had died.

It was based on a bunch of nonsense. He never really did play records of midline plays like that one.

She is a columnist for the Daily Mail, and she's also the author of the huge hit recently released book, Ask Not, The Kennedys and the Women They Destroyed.

In June when the book was released, we did an in-depth interview with Maureen on her book, episode 823, I'm telling you, you will love it. Check it out when you have some spare time.

But he's got he's got some real problems when it comes to this sort of this far left lane of the Democrat Party that's still in him and still supported by him, not to mention what I read in Maureen Callahan's book, which is called Ask Not.

You have to buy it. She came on the show.

Joining me now, Maureen Callahan. She's columnist for the Daily Mail and author of the must-read book, Ask Not.

You literally wrote the book on the Kennedys two summers ago. It's called Ask Not.

You wrote Ask Not.

I was reading earlier that you wrote Ask Not, which deals with the kind of cultural analysis we're having now.

Just go back and read that book. I mean, like he has flip flopped on all the positions that he had in that book.

And then compare it to what he's saying on the campaign trail now. It's like it's night and day.

He wrote a really good book called Woke Inc. It was really an excellent breakdown of what's going on in the world.

He's been in Iowa. We'll get to Nikki Haley in a second, but Vivek is very exciting to me. He's been as aggressive as Ron DeSantis in fighting the woke wars, but he also knows business better than virtually anybody I've seen throw their hat in the ring so far or even talk about it.

He's kind of like a Trump in that he's a businessman. He knows how to run a successful business. He's done it. He's made, I think, over a billion dollars just in his first 10 to 15 years at a law school.

Well, I mean, I love the guy and his critique of woke capitalism, but I don't think he has a realistic shot.

Twitter and others smuggle viewpoint discrimination into supposedly neutral content moderation categories, primarily misinformation, incitement and hate speech.

They've been wrapping in viewpoint based discrimination by smuggling it into the categories of the supposedly neutral content moderation.

And you can read about some of that from authors like Vivek Ramaswamy and his book woke Inc.

He's using his powers and his monies for good and he has a theory, he has a legal theory along with Jed Rubenfeld of Yale Law School who was married to Tiger mom Amy Chua that we should be we should recognize big tech as essentially government actors for purposes of the first amendment.

He's using his powers and his monies for good and he has a theory, he has a legal theory along with Jed Rubenfeld of Yale Law School who was married to Tiger mom Amy Chua that we should be we should recognize big tech as essentially government actors for purposes of the first amendment.

And by 2019, the company was running on its own two feet. And as I sort of came up for air, I noticed a trend that really bothered me, Megan, which was all of my peers, elite investors, CEOs, et cetera, around 2019, suddenly started issuing carbon copy statements about how they were now not just going to serve their shareholders, but they were also going to serve societal interests and all stakeholders and disempowered communities.

I love this. It's basically a get out of jail. It's a get out of bad person jail free card for evil CEOs.

You'd rather talk about systemic racism than systemic financial risk. If you're a bank after oh, wait, that's exactly what they ended up doing.

It's a defining scam of our time, Megan.

It's not even an arranged marriage. It's more like mutual prostitution where the woke left and big business secretly have disdain for one another, but they're each getting something out of the trade.

And I have not yet held up your book, Settle for More, this phenomenal memoir that actually got kind of cribbed for the movie Bombshell.

It did get cribbed and we did not get any money. No royalties on that. No one paid us a dime. Nor would I have sold them.

Also a great and inspiring book and a lot of like just your style.

By the way, it's in the book, Settle for More again. Number one New York Times bestseller.

People need to hear it from you.

I told her that she should check out your book and look at your career and say, you know, it doesn't matter what law school you go to as long as you work hard and that's right.

Well, you know, the name of my book was Settle for More and you have exactly the opposite philosophy when it comes to, for example, relationships.

And then when my troubles came, I wasn't watching any of it. And so I discovered you and you were being interviewed on Fox TV with some of your colleagues. You were just leaving to go to NBC and you were promoting a book called Settle for More. And you talked about your personal story with your father, losing your dad. And it was really moving to me.

And I remember calling vividly, calling my wife on her nightly calls. They limit you on the time you can talk. Urging her to find whatever money I might have left somewhere because I wanted to buy my two daughters your book for Christmas because they were little girls who lost their dad. But unlike you, your dad wasn't going to come home. They had a chance for their dad to come home. But look what you made of yourself and how you fought through the adversity.

I wrote my book in 2016 called Settle for More.

The only difference between you and someone you envy is you settled for less.

It's funny, back in 2016, I actually wrote a book called Settle for More.

I wrote in my book, Settle for More, that when I was younger, I used to sort of get through like a contentious deposition when I was practicing law where I knew I'd be up against nine times out of ten, a scary guy who had better academic pedigrees than I did, was probably at some amazing firm, probably knew the case better.

Go ahead and read my book, Settle for More.

If you want to know about my mother, you should read my book Settle for More because I made a conscious effort to include some stories in there that would reveal who she is.

He wrote Apocalypse Never has done on fire. Ted talks ran for government or governor in California, but is not a hard partisan guy.

Here's a little bit from Michael Schellenberger, who's an honest journalist. He's I trust him implicitly. He's been he wrote the book Apocalypse Never on the environment. He started out on the left. He's he came to his views very honestly and he wrote the book San Francisco recently about the homeless crisis, homeless crisis out there, as well as the drug crisis linked, of course.

He wrote Apocalypse Never. He was this left wing activist who worked for Greenpeace, who just devoted his life to fighting climate change and preserving the environment.

He put out a bunch of facts. First of all, even The New York Times is admitting this week solar panels require 300 plus times as much land as conventional energy sources and could, quote, contaminate groundwater with toxic heavy metals such as lead, selenium and cadmium.

They're contaminating contaminating the groundwater. They're taking up way more land than conventional energy sources were.

They also require solar panels, forced labor, toxic materials and have terrible land use impacts.

The New York Times has finally come around to Schellenberger's articles from a year plus ago saying you need to understand that solar panels and batteries have a lot of toxicity associated with them.

This is from Michael Schellenberger who wrote the book Apocalypse Never, which is well worth the time. Number one, no nation has decarbonized its electricity supply with solar and wind. The only successful decarbonization efforts have been achieved with nuclear.

climate change does not threaten the existence of our planet. Deaths from hurricanes have declined 90 percent in 100 years. Deaths from natural disasters are at their lowest level in 120 years.

He's the one pushing for nuclear. He's a true expert. You're not. I've had him on the show repeatedly. You're not an expert on climate change.

He is the one who has written, for example, and I mean, I'll tell you this, climate change does not threaten the existence of our planet.

You know, I mean, I don't know how anybody could see Russian shelling of Ukrainian apartment buildings and the killing of civilians and not want to cut off economic ties with that country.

Europe should not have become so dependent on Russian oil, gas and other energy fuels.

Europe just consumes two to three times more energy than it produces. And Russia exports two to three times more than it produces, depending on the fuel.

Germany has spent lavishly on weather dependent renewables...to the tune of $36 billion a year, mainly solar panels and industrial wind turbines.

Germany produces six times more carbon emissions per unit of electricity as France.

He's the bestselling author of the book Apocalypse Never, which you really, really, really should read if you want to know what's what on climate change.

We've got an honest broker on the program today who wrote the book, Apocalypse Never, Why Environmental Alarmism Hurts Us All.

I in Apocalypse Never I talk about how like has anybody been to the Netherlands?

I in my book I talk about the Amazon and the alarmism around the Amazon

I have a chapter on plastics and we got very close without quite explicitly saying that the reason for all the plastic waste in the ocean was because of rich world consumers trying to recycle their waste.

I'm often I'm in Arizona right now I do not need to stop wearing a sweater in Arizona ever there's really hardly any time where a sweater would ever not need to be worn to your example but in the Midwest that's a different case where I grew up.

And our guest is amazing. Walks you through it really clearly. He authored the book Apocalypse, never really cool character.

And Facebook appoints this group Climate Facts or something to be their police because the government's coming after them for all the nonsense that's on Facebook. So we want responsible scientists to police us and they pick these activists. And they labeled my story as we're not going to show this to many people because this doesn't tell the whole story.

I'm a big believer in affinity space and affinity work and I think people are going to need to get away from white people and have some community with each other.

White Fragility

I'd love to debate Robin DiAngelo, race huckster, author of White Fragility and other unreadable terms.

Our leaders are too uncomfortable with this. We've actually lost contracts when people have said we want to do anti-racism work and we go in and they say, oh, this is what you mean by anti-racism work? Oh, we we didn't. That's not what we signed up for.

So you see that on that fragility centering white comfort is so alive and well.

I'm a big believer in affinity space and affinity work. And I think people of color need to get away from white people and, and have some community with each other.

Robin DiAngelo, the Miss Whiplash of anti racism says there is no good form of whiteness. There is no good form of being white.

That's what it's from. And they just read that book and took those lines out of that book.

And they just read that book and took those lines out of that book.

Frankly, White Fragility is literally the worst book I've ever read.

She's got a couple of good books. She's like, yeah, she's awesome. I'm in love with Amy Chua. You should read whatever she writes.

Let's go back to Tiger Mom, one of my favorite books and one of my favorite people of all time, Amy Chua.

I loved it because you were getting so much shit and you were like, yeah, I don't care. This is how I feel.

I'm always like they need some time to off on weekends, but the kind of really touchy-feely school I sent my kids to actually felt like a giant play date, you know? They didn't even do like math equations. It was just like blocks and puzzles and things like that.

I need to prepare them for the future. You know, they're only going to be children a certain amount of time. I need to arm them with the skills and the confidence and the grit that they need so that when they fail, they have it in themselves to pick themselves up again and try again and again, because that's going to be life.

If a kid comes home with an A minus on a test, a Western parent will most likely praise him. A Chinese mother will gasp in horror and ask what went wrong.

If a Chinese child gets a B, which would never happen, you say there would first be a screaming, hair tearing explosion. The devastated Chinese mother would then get dozens, maybe hundreds of practice tests and work through them with her child for as long, long as it takes to get the grade up to an A.

Remember Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother? She wrote it along with some other fascinating books.

He said in his book "Get Trump", that's the title that was devised by Bragg.

They know, prosecutors and judges know, the law doesn't apply to Donald Trump because the goal is to make sure he doesn't become the next president of the United States.

He ran on that principle.

I think it was the right ruling uh I think the tape itself should should not go in but anything he said is in admission.

look it's so obvious that he had mixed motives in doing what he did paying the hush money obviously one of his motives was to protect himself from uh hatred from his wife and protect his family and his business and his friends but another one of the motives may have been to enhance the possibility of of getting elected.

you don't prosecute people for mixed motives you don't try to psychoanalyze a man running for president they tried to do that obviously in the edwards case they failed uh 60 years of teaching practicing and writing about criminal law i've never seen a weaker case but if you listen to cnn this is the strongest case possible this is a murder case where there's a confession and a videotape um but you know it's just not true this is an extraordinarily weak case.

of course he won't testify 100 certainty his lawyers will tell him he can't testify if he were my client and he didn't take my advice and decided to testify i would have to quit the case why the first question on cross examination will be did you have sex with miss daniels

there are three possible answers no which gets him indicted for perjury perjury a really serious case yes which is obviously not helpful or i don't remember i've had sex with so many porn stars i really can't there is no possibly good answer to that question.

He wrote the book on the Trump trial craziness last year called Get Trump.

When an attorney general of the United States who was appointed by the incumbent president and serves at his pleasure, approves an indictment against the man running against his boss, against the president, and is the leading candidate tied in the polls 44 to 44. When that happens, the case ought to be ironclad.

This case doesn't come close to meeting that standard. It's a stretch of the law. It's based on facts that apparently don't exist.

They're going to have to prove that Trump told somebody that he actually knew he lost the election and believed that it was a fair election. That didn't happen.

That's what happens in banana republics. We're not a banana republic. But this was a step, a step in the wrong direction.

I'm not surprised in my book, Get Trump. I predicted exactly this.

I said he would not be indicted for merely possessing classified material because then they would have to distinguish the case from Biden and from Pence and from Hillary Clinton and from Sandy Berger, that they would go after him on process crimes and that they would probably use the espionage statute, the hated espionage statute, the statute that liberals have condemned for 100 years because it was used to go after Eugene V. Debs, war protesters, dissidents, etc.

The title 'Get Trump' is not original with me. It comes from the campaign promise of Letitia James, the attorney general of New York.

That's the thesis of my book, 'Get Trump'. What about-ism? You have to have comparisons when you're going after the president and a future president.

My book was the number one, number two bestseller on Amazon over the last two weekends.

You cannot buy a copy in an independent bookstore. Try to buy Shakespeare and Company. Try to go to Books and Books. They will not sell a book called 'Get Trump', even if it's number one or number two on Amazon.

In my book, 'Get Trump', I go through all four of the cases and I rank them in order.

With the law books filled with a great assortment of crimes, a prosecutor has a fair chance of finding at least a technical violation of some act on the part of almost anybody.

In such a case, it's not a question of discovering the commission of a crime and then looking for the person who committed it. It's a question of picking the man and then searching the law books or putting investigators to work to pin some offense on him.

People are going to be furious at me because they're going to think based on the title is a pro Trump book. It's a pro Constitution. It's an anti violation of civil liberties book. Trump happens to be the target today.

But if it were somebody else, Hillary Clinton, I'd have written the same book.

That's what his book argues has happened to the radical left wing in particular, which Alan posits is even more dangerous right now than the radical right wing.

And for me, I've always been a very pro-life person when it comes to the conservative movement and now so being baptized Christians about two years ago, being pro-life is even more so important to me.

And it's kind of like the old adage, you know, a man could gain the world, but what does he get if he loses his soul in the process?

And so for me, I cannot sacrifice my integrity to say, oh, I want to win an election more than, you know, stand for the sanctity of life.

But I just I think we need to expect better from our candidates when it comes to this and not be looking at this big tent type of conservatism.

I would like to see something actually happen that proves whether or not he is innocent or guilty.

Will Witt, who is author of Do Not Comply, which is my own advice to my own employees if they're thinking about getting up and walking out of two. Let me give you a heads up. If you do it, don't bother coming back. You're all fired.

Will Witt, author of Do Not Comply, ... If you do it, don't bother coming back. You're all fired.

Will Witt, author of Do Not Comply, join to discuss...

I want every single one of them to either purchase themselves or have purchased for them a copy of Coddling the American Mind, where we put all the evidence to make the point that in the last 50 years, we have not seen a threat to academic freedom like of the likes of counsel culture.

This led to a discussion I had with Jonathan Haidt, who wrote The Coddling of the American Mind on my show yesterday where I said, you know, it needs to be done.

I love The Coddling of the American Mind, which just had such great insights and it covered a lot of stuff that I'd been covering on the news for the previous 10 years because I lived it.

My colleague at NYU, Jonathan Haidt, wrote this fantastic book called The Coddling of the American Mind.

And we have an epidemic or an emerging epidemic of unhappiness. And I think that's a really important thing to talk about.

And that is our concierge or bulldozer parenting has led to this sort of this this approach where we use so many sanitary wipes on our children's lives that they don't develop their own immunities.

And we developed this princess in the pea generation where they show up to college and get their heart broken or get their first C and literally freak out.

The two individuals who wrote the book about this are Jonathan Haidt and Greg Lukianoff, you know, the calling of the American mind, um, really brilliant guys.

It's sensational. And I must say I predicted it because I thought that for the $20 million that Random House paid, they wanted a lot for their money and they've got it.

It's explosive, is hugely damaging to the British royal family and to Britain's reputation.

It really is an astonishing act of treachery in my view.

Truly read Tom Bauer's book Revenge. It's worth every word. It's fascinating.

And honestly, you see this book and so much of it proves true.

It is nauseating and it was boring.

Megan was very, very popular in Britain when they first engaged and the wedding was an unbelievable high point in Britain's history that year in 2018.

It all began to sour when they became so hypocritical.

She was not only hypocritical, but she was dishonest. And that is really when it all fell apart.

And of course, when she gave the letter to her friends who passed it on to People magazine, the letter to her father, which was clearly intended for public consumption, which was just filled with lies.

If you read about her history, all she she desperate.

This is all laid out in Tom Bauer's book Revenge and other books.

His latest international bestseller is called Revenge, Meghan, Harry and the War Between the Windsors.

I think one of Charles's, King Charles's greatest challenges is to somehow defuse that time bomb for the royal family and filled with poison.

And I don't know what he's gotten as the advance for his book, but I heard you with Dan Wooden saying he's going to go forward with that biography and his memoir or whatever autobiography.

The book takes us back and reminds us about how the press there was when she married Harry.

This woman's obsessed with being a star. She ghosted all of her friends. She ghosted her family. And the book reveals it all.

If anybody needs a good end of summer read Tom Bower's book on the royals.

There's a book coming out called Revenge by Tom Bauer.

And this guy claims to have the inside scoop on the whole Megxit and so on.

But one of the things that he is going to be reporting, the book is set to be released in a day or two.

July 21st is how...

And he is one of the world's best biographers.

She's a fellow at the Manhattan Institute. She's the author of many books, but her most recent one is titled When Race Trumps Merit, How the Pursuit of Equity Sacrifices Excellence, Destroys Beauty and Threatens Lives.

She's a fellow at the Manhattan Institute. She's the author of many books, but her most recent one is titled When Race Trumps Merit, How the Pursuit of Equity Sacrifices Excellence, Destroys Beauty and Threatens Lives.

She's a fellow at the Manhattan Institute. She's the author of many books, but her most recent one is titled When Race Trumps Merit, How the Pursuit of Equity Sacrifices Excellence, Destroys Beauty and Threatens Lives.

The West is in a suicide mode right now that is one of self-loathing and this is the absolute perfect product of the university. It's not a mistake. It's a feature, not a bug.

We are a culture now that is engaged in self-loathing. And when the West tears itself down, there's going to be nothing left.

We should not be tearing down our standards, Megan.

They have discarded meritocratic standards when it comes to hiring and promoting and admitting blacks.

Heather McDonald is a fellow at the Manhattan Institute and author of fantastic books like When Race Trumps Merit and The War on Cops.

Heather is a contributing editor at City Journal and author of the book, When Race Trump's Merit, How the Pursuit of Equity Sacrifices Excellence, Destroys Beauty and Threatens Lives. I love this book.

Since you said we couldn't have affirmative action, black this is from their amicus brief, black Native Americans and Latinx students are not sufficiently represented at most competitive universities of California. And they widely report struggling with feelings of racial isolation.

The reason that we do not have proportional representation in universities or any other meritocratic institution, Megan, is not racism. Standards are not racist.

If you're a black student who is studying, who is paying attention in class, you will be demeaned as somehow betraying your race.

The reality is being black today in any mainstream institution confers an enormous advantage.

It is all coming down. I see it on a daily basis. There's not a single meritocratic institution above all in the sciences and medicine that is not in the crosshairs. Any institution that is not proportionally black is now vulnerable.

You can see it over her right shoulder on the screen. Well worth your time.

I think that's exactly right. She has the kind of background that really predicts for upward mobility. Her mother has a Ph.D. They valued education very much at home. Her bio, her official bio on the White House talks about her loving extended family. And these are all of the things that predict for upward mobility in America today, whereas J.D. comes out of this broken, broken situation, these broken, destroyed communities in the Rust Belt, which were destroyed by Democratic policies like, you know, NAFTA opening the border, defunding vocational training in schools. You know, thank you, Presidents Bill Clinton, Barack Obama and Joe Biden. And that's where he comes out of. J.D. Vance is a survivor of domestic violence. There are so many people who look to that, to that thing that he survived, who are experiencing that right now and seeing that representation and thinking, wow, it can really get better.

Joining me now, Bacchia Angar Sargan, opinion editor at Newsweek and author of the new book, Second Class.

...Second Class...

This book, White Rural Rage is the Democrats fantasy about why they are losing because it gives them an alibi for what actually happened, which is that they abandoned the working class, which is now flocking to Donald Trump.

What I found in my book was the exact opposite of white rural rage.

It's called Second Class how the elites betrayed America's working men and women.

It's called Second Class how the elites betrayed America's working men and women.

Again the book is called Second Class how the elites betrayed America's working men and women go get it right now.

Bajie, you wrote this book Second Class and it takes a hard look at the working class of America and how they've been forgotten by the Democrat Party and they've migrated much more to the Republicans.

He was actively in and out of inpatient rehab, failing, snorting cocaine off of everything he could get his hands on, smoking crack.

He wrote to his family about dad and how I have to carry the family and dad makes me take 50 percent and give it to him.

This is, I guess, Fox News as left wing host Brian Stelter gushed. It was extraordinary and breathtaking.

Stelter teased the segment about Biden's new memoir, Beautiful Things, by claiming the real human being who differs from the caricature of the president's son would be revealed in the book.

Real, real human, Beautiful Things. Extraordinary. Just breathtaking. Just the name alone. What a bunch of hippie crap. All this stuff is.

It was fall of 2018, he applied for a gun. You got a permit and you don't give the guns to the drug addicts. That's one of the good policies here in the United States.

He writes, 'I had returned to the East Coast that fall of 2018 after my most recent relapse in California with the hope of getting clean through a new therapy and reconciling with Hallie.'

Neither happened. Okay, so he's saying he had the hope of getting clean. So he wasn't clean. He was using and he did not get clean.

Just like in California, like practically anywhere else I'd landed since this long bad dream began, each new day looked exactly like the one before it. Nothing occurred on a traditional wake up, go to sleep continuum.

If I knew my crack connection, I would start making arrangements to buy from him as soon as I neared the end of my stash, he wrote.

Hunter Biden, you may forget he dropped a book not long after this. He dropped a book and went on a book tour after the suppression of a laptop stories and people knew it was bubbling.

It's not like they're hiding him and he's been it's incredible.

He finally came out. He finally came out of the basement where his other base, all the Biden's have been in a basement.

And he finally comes out. And can you imagine as a reporter how you'd be salivating over the opportunity to finally get to ask him?

And this instead.

Hunter Biden wrote a book and is doing interviews everywhere.