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Why Some People See Things Clearly and Others Don't
Ezra described it as a wonderful book that promotes a mode of reasoning focused on exploring truth rather than defending a prechosen position.
The final book I'd recommend is The Scout Mindset by Julia Galef, which is just a wonderful book for expressing a kind of mode of reasoning that really resonates with me, which is rat...
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Ezra described it as a wonderful book that promotes a mode of reasoning focused on exploring truth rather than defending a prechosen position.
The final book I'd recommend is The Scout Mindset by Julia Galef, which is just a wonderful book for expressing a kind of mode of reasoning that really resonates with me, which is rather than, you know, soldier mindset ... you're just trying to explore and figure out what does the landscape look like?
Ezra Klein introduced Julia Galef as the author of The Scout Mindset at the start of the episode.
author of the book, The Scout Mindset.
He recommended it as a formative novel that offers the best depiction of an optimistic postAGI future where humanity travels the stars.
Consider Phlebas by Ian Banks, which is part of the Culture series of novels. Very formative for me and I read that while I was writing Theme Park. And I still think it's the best depiction of a postA...
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He recommended it as a formative novel that offers the best depiction of an optimistic postAGI future where humanity travels the stars.
Consider Phlebas by Ian Banks, which is part of the Culture series of novels. Very formative for me and I read that while I was writing Theme Park. And I still think it's the best depiction of a postAGI future, an optimistic postAGI future where we're traveling the stars and humanity sort of reached its full flourishing.
He called it the best depiction of an optimistic postAGI future where humanity travels the stars.
And then finally, I would recommend Consider Phlebas by Ian Banks, which is part of the Culture series of novels. Very formative for me and I read that while I was writing Theme Park. And I still think it's the best depiction of a postAGI future, an optimistic postAGI future where we're traveling the stars and humanity sort of reached its full flourishing.
The Definitive History of Racist Ideas in America (National Book Award Winner)
George said he had given the book out several times and that it was a lifechanging act of generosity.
I did give out Stamped from the Beginning by Irving Mex Kendi quite a few times. For me, it was, it was a life changer for me.
— Episode: Best of: George Saunders on Kindness in...
George said he had given the book out several times and that it was a lifechanging act of generosity.
I did give out Stamped from the Beginning by Irving Mex Kendi quite a few times. For me, it was, it was a life changer for me.
Ezra praised it as a mustread and highlighted its argument that racist policies precede racist ideas, shaping Kendi's later framework.
I loved his previous book, Stamped from the Beginning, which I still think everyone should read, even if you've read, by the way, How to Be an Antiracist.
The argument in Stamped from the Beginning is that racist policies don't follow from racist ideas the way we normally think they do. Racist ideas follow from racist policies.
There's an argument in the book, and it's also core to the book, You Are Before It, which I love, Stamped from the Beginning, that has really influenced me.
The book was highlighted as a sensation on the right and identified as a key source for understanding JD Vance's worldview, with the hosts noting its influence on contemporary conservative thought. In a later episode, a guest who had spent time with Hazony cited the work as a major reference in discussions about Israel. Both mentions conveyed a strong endorsement of its relevance to political discourse.
They said Yoram Hazony's 2018 book The Virtue of Nationalism had become a sensation on the right and was a key source for understanding his worldview.
In 2018, Yoram Hazony, an Israeli political theorist, released a book that became a sensation on the right. It was called The Virtue of Nationalism, and it sought to build a right that could withstand the challenge that liberals like Obama had posed.
Hazony's book was mentioned as a major work cited by a guest who spent time with the philosopher during the trip.
Yoram Hazoni, who wrote a book called The Virtue of Nationalism.
The Virtue of Nationalism.
Kara Swisher praised the book, saying it explores opium, coffee and mescaline and that anything Pollan writes is interesting.
I would recommend Michael Pollan's latest book. This Is Your Mind on Plants. I think anything he writes is really interesting. This is about opium, coffee and mescaline, essentially.
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Kara Swisher praised the book, saying it explores opium, coffee and mescaline and that anything Pollan writes is interesting.
I would recommend Michael Pollan's latest book. This Is Your Mind on Plants. I think anything he writes is really interesting. This is about opium, coffee and mescaline, essentially.
Kara Swisher praised it as a fascinating look at opium, coffee and mescaline and their effects on the mind.
I would recommend Michael Pollan's latest book, This Is Your Mind on Plants, which covers opium, coffee and mescaline and is really interesting.
Discovering the Wisdom of the Forest
Suzanne Simard's Finding the Mother Tree was highlighted as a recent work that revealed underground forest networks and resource sharing among trees.
Let me talk specifically about the work of a scientist who has herself just recently published a book. It's Dr. Suzanne Simard and the book is Finding the Mother Tree.
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Suzanne Simard's Finding the Mother Tree was highlighted as a recent work that revealed underground forest networks and resource sharing among trees.
Let me talk specifically about the work of a scientist who has herself just recently published a book. It's Dr. Suzanne Simard and the book is Finding the Mother Tree.
Simard has been instrumental in a revolution in our way of thinking about what's happening underground at the root level in a forest.
Ezra Klein highlighted Simard's book for revealing the complex, cooperative underground networks of trees and fungi that share resources.
It's the book by Dr. Suzanne Simard... the work of a scientist who showed that forests are wired up in very complex and identifiable ways, with trees sharing sugars, hydrocarbons, and secondary metabolites through fungal networks.
Ezra Klein mentioned it as a BookerPrizeshortlisted novel by Ozeki.
She also wrote A Tale for the Time Being, which was shortlisted for the Booker Prize.
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Ezra Klein mentioned it as a BookerPrizeshortlisted novel by Ozeki.
She also wrote A Tale for the Time Being, which was shortlisted for the Booker Prize.
The book was noted as being shortlisted for the Booker Prize, and the host referenced reading it during a personal crisis involving suicidal thoughts.
She also wrote A Tale for the Time Being, which was shortlisted for the Booker Prize.
like when I read A Tale for the Time Being, I was struggling with a lot of suicidal ideation and just basic depression and anxiety.
Parents, Children and the Search for Identity
Randy Cohen noted that the book had a huge impact on him, describing it as a nonfiction study of parents raising children who differ from them in many ways. Masha Gessen later praised the title as a wonderful exploration of diverse identities and the difficulty of navigating the distance that can form between parents and children. Both hosts highlighted its insightful look at identity and family dynamics, indicating strong endorsement.
Randy Cohen said the book made a huge impact on him, describing it as a nonfiction work about parents raising children who differ from them in various dimensions.
So my first book is by Andrew Solomon it's called Far From the Tree and it made a huge impact on me.
Masha described Solomon's book as a wonderful exploration of diverse identities and the challenges of navigating parentchild relationships across them.
Andrew Solomon has this wonderful book Far From the Tree which is all about a variety of the horizontal identities so identities that are not passed on from parents to children. And it's all about the difficulty of navigating that when you're trying to navigate difficulty of navigating that distance that forms between parents and children.
He highlighted it as a religious book that, though short, gets to the heart of who Jesus is and demonstrates Christian nonviolence in a political context.
And it is Jesus and the Disinherited by Howard Thurman. It's not very long, but it really gets to the heart of who Jesus is, what he means in a political context, and what Christian n...
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He highlighted it as a religious book that, though short, gets to the heart of who Jesus is and demonstrates Christian nonviolence in a political context.
And it is Jesus and the Disinherited by Howard Thurman. It's not very long, but it really gets to the heart of who Jesus is, what he means in a political context, and what Christian nonviolence looks like in the world.
The book was praised for its concise yet powerful exploration of Jesus, nonviolence, and political relevance.
My religious book is Jesus and the Disinherited by Howard Thurman... it's a beautiful book, not very long, but it really gets to the heart of who Jesus is and what Christian nonviolence looks like.
The Triumph and Tragedy of Israel
The book was highlighted for mirroring extensive scholarship on Palestine and confirming the early Zionist colonial project of the 1880s, and it was praised as the single best account that balances Israel's idealism with its violence. Ezra Klein and a guest both recommended it to listeners, noting its comprehensive and nuanced perspective.
He said it mirrors Rashid Khalidi's extensive writings on Palestine and shows how the Zionist colonial project began in the 1880s.
The third book is My Promised Land by Arishafet, which mirrors Rashid Khalidi's hundreds of words on Palestine. And to me, that was helpful because it shows that the Zionist colonial project started like in the 80s and sort of confirm what Rashid Khalidi say in a lot of places. The 1880s. The 1880s, yeah.
He praised it as the single best book on Israel, noting its ability to hold both idealism and violence at the heart of the story.
When I think about Israel, I always think about this book written in 2013 by Ari Shavit... called My Promised Land. And I recommend this book to everybody. I think it is the single best book on what Israel is because it is a book that is better able than any other to hold both the idealism and violence at its heart.
I was looking at my notes from My Promised Land. I have, and you should take this as a compliment, 188 highlights in that book.
From Family and Community to Congress and the Campus, How Recommitting to Our Institutions Can Revive the American Dream
Cox recommended A Time to Build, describing it as a rehash of the discussion on rebuilding political culture.
The first one is called A Time to Build. It's really a rehash of almost everything we've talked about today.
— Episode: Spencer Cox Wants to Pull Our Politics B...
Cox recommended A Time to Build, describing it as a rehash of the discussion on rebuilding political culture.
The first one is called A Time to Build. It's really a rehash of almost everything we've talked about today.
Ezra highlighted Levin's most recent book and said he highly recommended it for understanding institutional reform.
Yuval ... author of a bunch of great books, but most recently, A Time to Build, which I highly recommend.
A Novel
The guest described it as a wonderful book about filmmaker W.G. Pabst, noting its thematic parallels with The Fraud.
Well, right now I'm reading The Director, which is by my Austrian friend Daniel Kilman. It's a wonderful book about the filmmaker W.G. Pabst, who went back to Germany in the middle of...
— Episode: Zadie Smith on Populists, Frauds and Fli...
The guest described it as a wonderful book about filmmaker W.G. Pabst, noting its thematic parallels with The Fraud.
Well, right now I'm reading The Director, which is by my Austrian friend Daniel Kilman. It's a wonderful book about the filmmaker W.G. Pabst, who went back to Germany in the middle of the war and made movies all the way through the war.
He read The Fraud first, because I hadn't read his in translation yet, and he said these books are the same.
The guest mentioned reading this biography of filmmaker W.G. Pabst and compared its themes of artistic complicity to those in The Fraud.
Well, right now I'm reading The Director, which is by my Austrian friend Daniel Kilman. It's a wonderful book about the filmmaker W.G. Pabst, who went back to Germany in the middle of the war and made movies all the way through the war. It's very like The Fraud.
A True Story of Love, Obsession, and Shipwreck
Ezra Klein recommended A Marriage at Sea as a historical nonfiction work about a 1970s couple who were shipwrecked, noting it as a personal pick for the guest Joe.
Historical fiction, this one is actually for Joe. I just started reading it actually. Marriage at Sea, which is a true story of a couple in the 1970s that gets shipwrecked by a whale.
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Ezra Klein recommended A Marriage at Sea as a historical nonfiction work about a 1970s couple who were shipwrecked, noting it as a personal pick for the guest Joe.
Historical fiction, this one is actually for Joe. I just started reading it actually. Marriage at Sea, which is a true story of a couple in the 1970s that gets shipwrecked by a whale.
Ezra introduced it as a true story of a couple in the 1970s who were shipwrecked, noting its relevance to the conversation.
Marriage at Sea, which is a true story of a couple in the 1970s that gets shipwrecked by a ... Something whaling related? A whale. Oh, that's great.
30th Anniversary Edition (New Accents)
The hosts mentioned Orality and Literacy as a classic work that anticipated the impact of social media and oral culture on reading and communication.
Walter Ong's Orality and Literacy ... anticipates many changes with social media and is very predictive about the shift from oral to literate societies.
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The hosts mentioned Orality and Literacy as a classic work that anticipated the impact of social media and oral culture on reading and communication.
Walter Ong's Orality and Literacy ... anticipates many changes with social media and is very predictive about the shift from oral to literate societies.
Ezra mentioned it as a classic that anticipated many changes brought by social media and the oral/visual shift, praising its predictive power.
Walter Ong's Orality and Literacy which I've been talking about a lot which is basically the way like our communication environment is such that we're like an oral society increasingly not just by the fact that we literally talk more on a podcast but that everything is back and forth in this and therefore you don't have this sort of logical contemplation of the person sitting alone in a room actually reading text and judging text on its own merits.
Why Our Obsession with Rights Is Tearing America Apart
It was described as a great book that argued America's constitutional approach went awry, critiquing the anticanon and the strong recognition of few rights.
He's the author of the great book, How Rights Went Wrong, and he believes that America's approach to constitutional law went awry a long time ago.
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It was described as a great book that argued America's constitutional approach went awry, critiquing the anticanon and the strong recognition of few rights.
He's the author of the great book, How Rights Went Wrong, and he believes that America's approach to constitutional law went awry a long time ago.
you argue in the book that there's something more fundamental separating American courts from international peers and it's how we treat rights.
Greene's book argued that America's constitutional law is misguided, stressing that courts recognize few rights strongly instead of many rights weakly, and it catalogued the resulting bizarre Supreme Court outcomes.
He's the author of a book called How Rights Went Wrong, and in it, he argued that America does constitutional law all wrong, that we do it in a way that other countries don't, in a way that is tearing our country apart.
You argue in the book that there's something more fundamental separating American courts from international peers, and it's how we treat rights.
This is what I spent the most time wrestling with in your book, which is whether or not there is value to the American effort, the effort we have in the way we treat the courts in this country to create a fig leaf of separate authority for the other, less democratic institution.
Crime and Punishment in Black America
It was referenced as a central theme book about the black community's longstanding push for bothand solutions in criminaljustice reform.
One of the central themes of James Forman's Locking Up Our Own is the way that the Black community and Black politicians have for decades been asking for these kinds of bothand soluti...
— Episode: Why Is Murder Spiking? And Can Cities Ad...
It was referenced as a central theme book about the black community's longstanding push for bothand solutions in criminaljustice reform.
One of the central themes of James Forman's Locking Up Our Own is the way that the Black community and Black politicians have for decades been asking for these kinds of bothand solutions. Not only more police officers but also investments in jobs and poverty alleviation and mental health and addiction services.
Ezra described it as an essential book for the moment, noting that Forman uses Washington, D.C. as a case study to examine the political dynamics of Black communities during the crime wave.
Pulitzer Prize winning author of Locking Up Our Own, Crime and Punishment in Black America. Just an essential book for this moment.
you write, quote, For residents of the city's poorest neighborhoods, especially young people, this treatment became part of a social contract, a tax paid in exchange for the right to move.
the book was essential reading and it was utterly essential for this moment.
A Novel (Modern Classics)
It imagined an anarchist society on a planet, examining shortcomings of capitalism and communism through speculative fiction.
The second book is Ursula Le Guin's The Dispossessed, which I have been teaching for 25 years... It is a wonderful kind of imagining of an anarchist society on a planet called Anares, and it sort of r...
— Episode: What Communes and Other Radical Experime...
It imagined an anarchist society on a planet, examining shortcomings of capitalism and communism through speculative fiction.
The second book is Ursula Le Guin's The Dispossessed, which I have been teaching for 25 years... It is a wonderful kind of imagining of an anarchist society on a planet called Anares, and it sort of reflects on the deficiencies of both capitalism and communism as it was in the 20th century.
Zeynep Tufekci called it her favorite work of science fiction, noting it was one of the first books she read in English.
Now, that one is easy because I'm an Ursula Le Guin fan and hands down like dispossessed as always in my favorite work of science fiction, partly because I read it as one of the first books I read after learning English.
Untold Histories, Wild Possibilities
He recommended Hope in the Dark as a muchneeded balm for political cynicism, urging people to embrace its hopeful perspective for collective action.
The third book is by Rebecca Solnit, Hope in the Dark, untold histories, wild possibilities... it is a muchneeded balm for political cynicism and despair.
— Episode: The Deep Conflict Between Our Work and P...
He recommended Hope in the Dark as a muchneeded balm for political cynicism, urging people to embrace its hopeful perspective for collective action.
The third book is by Rebecca Solnit, Hope in the Dark, untold histories, wild possibilities... it is a muchneeded balm for political cynicism and despair.
Ezra Klein said it was a profound meditation on hope that he carried everywhere, even giving it to his son during climatechange anxiety. He described it as essential and not airyfairy.
I would start with a book that I carry around everywhere with me, which is Rebecca Solnit's Hope in the Dark, which is actually a book that when one of my sons was getting very, very panicky, as teenage boys tend to do about climate change, she had me give to him and talk about with him. And it's really a book that is like a very, I think, profound meditation on hope and why it matters and how we achieve it. And that it's not airyfairy. It's just a thing we have to grasp for.
The Making of Network and the Fateful Vision of the Angriest Man in Movies
The nonfiction book about the making of the film Network was suggested as a reading recommendation by the host.
David Itzkoff's book about the movie Network, Mad as Hell.
— Episode: How Colson Whitehead Writes About Our ‘B...
The nonfiction book about the making of the film Network was suggested as a reading recommendation by the host.
David Itzkoff's book about the movie Network, Mad as Hell.
A Family, 2029-2047
Ben Domenech highlighted the book as a witty, entertaining novel that imagines a family navigating a deep financial crisis, likening its tone to the Royal Tenenbaums in dire straits. He described it as dryly witty and enjoyable.
Ben described The Mandibles as a witty, entertaining novel that imagines a family navigating a deep financial crisis.
Lionel Shriver, also a colleague of mine at The Spectator, has a book that's a couple of years old. A novel called The Mandibles, which is essentially a, imagine the Royal Tenenbaums going through a deep financial crisis and it's very entertaining and dryly witty.
Domenech called the novel entertaining and dryly witty, likening its premise to the Royal Tenenbaums facing a deep financial crisis.
A novel called The Mandibles, which is essentially a, imagine the Royal Tenenbaums going through a deep financial crisis and it's very entertaining and dryly witty.
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