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The Federalist Papers (Annotated): A Collection of Essays Written in Favour of the New Constitution cover

The Federalist Papers (Annotated)

Alexander Hamilton

Mentioned 7 months ago

Judge dismisses cases against James Comey and Letitia James

The book was mentioned in the context of Alexander Hamilton's views on the judiciary, highlighting that the independence of the judiciary was deemed absolutely crucial for it to perform its job.

The judge yesterday proving Alexander Hamilton proud, who said an independent judiciary may be the weakest branch of government, but in the Federalist Papers, he said its independence was absolutely crucial to being able to do its job.

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Judgment at Nuremberg

Abby Mann

Mentioned 8 months ago

‘Trying to distract’: Joe slams Trump for accusing Democrats of sedition ‘punishable by death’

The book was mentioned in the context of the criminal trial of many German officers after World War II, whose defense was often based on 'just following orders of Hitler.' The speaker used this example to show that following illegal orders is not an excuse.

There's a movie out right now that I've seen, a great movie about Nuremberg. It was the basis for the criminal trial of most of the Germans after World War II, the German officer corps, because they did do illegal things. And their excuse was, I was just following orders of Hitler. Well, that's not an excuse. Sorry, you still did the illegal act.

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If I Don't Return

Lieutenant General (Ret.) Mark Hertling

Mentioned 8 months ago

‘Trying to distract’: Joe slams Trump for accusing Democrats of sedition ‘punishable by death’

This was mentioned as a forthcoming book by Retired Army Lieutenant General Mark Hertling, described as A Father's Wartime Journal.

Wow. Retired Army Lieutenant General Mark Hertling, thank you so much for coming on this morning. He's the author of the forthcoming book entitled, If I Don't Return, A Father's Wartime Journal.

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Twilight of Democracy

Anne Applebaum

Mentioned 8 months ago

‘This is staggering’: Joe on stunning new midterm poll giving Dems wide advantage

The book was mentioned in the context of authoritarian leaders valuing loyalty over competence, which was said to lead to incompetent people running the government.

It's this, you know, Ann Applebaum wrote a book, Twilight of Democracy, talking about the key for people who want to be authoritarians is they value loyalty over competence.

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Lessons from Bobby

Chris Matthews

Mentioned 8 months ago

Trump has ‘lost control’ of the Epstein conspiracy: David Drucker

Chris Matthews' new book, which discusses Robert F. Kennedy, was noted as being out now and an important read, especially given the current times. The book emphasized Kennedy's humanity, evolution, and willingness to admit when he was wrong.

His new book, Lessons from Bobby, 10 Reasons Robert F. Kennedy Still Matters. It's out now.

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Gettysburg Address (Books of American Wisdom)

Abraham Lincoln

Mentioned 8 months ago

Senate passes government funding bill

A passage from the Gettysburg Address was referenced to emphasize the need for increased devotion to the cause for which veterans made their last full measure of devotion.

we have to act. We the living those among us that have seen those vets go off and come back. We have to take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave their last full measure of devotion.

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The Great Gatsby

F. Scott Fitzgerald

Mentioned 8 months ago

Trump hosts ‘Great Gatsby’ Halloween party as food assistance expired for millions

The book was mentioned in reference to a themed party hosted by President Trump at Mar-a-Lago, leading the host to speculate that Trump likely had not read the book.

But at Mar-a-Lago this weekend, all the opulence of the Roaring Twenties was on full display with President Trump hosting a Great Gatsby themed party. We will dig into that parallel.

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Injustice

Carol Leonnig

Mentioned 8 months ago

Trump hosts ‘Great Gatsby’ Halloween party as food assistance expired for millions

The book, co-authored by the guests, detailed the workings of the Justice Department, including findings about Operation Arctic Frost and internal panic among prosecutors regarding case sequencing, particularly the decision to try the classified documents case in Florida.

Joining us now, MSNBC senior investigative reporter Carol Lennig and investigative reporter for The Washington Post, Aaron C. Davis. They are co-authors of a new book out tomorrow entitled Injustice, How Politics and Fear Vanquished America's Justice Department.

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Read Your Mind

Oz Pearlman

Mentioned 8 months ago

Trump hails 'amazing' Xi meeting, cuts China tariffs

The author released this new book, which was intended to show readers how understanding the mind could unlock potential, build confidence, and help master reading others. The book was described as a modern reinvention of how to win friends and influence people, focusing on soft skills rather than magic tricks. One chapter specifically focused on the importance of taking effective notes to remember details about people and events.

Now he's out with a new book entitled Read Your Mind, Proven Habits for Success from the World's Greatest Mentalist.

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Retribution

Jonathan Karl

Mentioned 8 months ago

Trump meets with Japan's new prime minister

The book was discussed as revealing details about Donald Trump's improbable return to the White House and its effects globally. It contained new reporting on how the Department of Justice quickly came under Trump's influence upon his return to power.

Also ahead, Jonathan Carl joins us with his new book, Retribution, that reveals some of the big moments that ended one man's presidency and brought another back to power.

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Why America Slept

Gerald Posner

Mentioned 8 months ago

Trump terminates Canada trade talks again after Ontario runs ad featuring Reagan

This column was written about the Trump administration's shift in national security focus away from Russia toward drug gangs in Venezuela, suggesting the title might be fitting for a future book on the subject.

Why America Slept. That might be the title of a future book examining the Trump administration's shift of national security focus away from a mounting Russian threat against Europe and toward a noxious but relatively impotent network of drug gangs in Venezuela.

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Zbig

Edward Luce

Mentioned 8 months ago

'Incredibly weak claim': Inside Trump's demand for $230M from DOJ for past cases

The book by Ed Luce about the speaker's father, Zbigniew Brzezinski, was promoted and discussed, with highlights scheduled to be shown on the following day's show.

And by the way, Ed headlined an amazing event last night at Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies in Washington. It was for Ed's book on my dad, Zbigniew Brzezinski, America's Great Power Prophet, as part of the school's Brzezinski Initiative, featuring in-depth conversations about some of the world's most pressing geopolitical issues.

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George Orwell

1984

The speaker alluded to George Orwell's book "1984" to describe how fascists are effective at propaganda and numb the public by throwing misinformation at them.

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It's almost like, well, it's almost like Orwell said fascists are much better with propaganda and they just throw things against the wall and the Trump campus said in the past that Steve Bannon has sa...

— Episode: Morning Joe 3/19/24

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The speaker alluded to George Orwell's book "1984" to describe how fascists are effective at propaganda and numb the public by throwing misinformation at them.

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It's almost like, well, it's almost like Orwell said fascists are much better with propaganda and they just throw things against the wall and the Trump campus said in the past that Steve Bannon has said they're going to throw so much stuff at the wall that they're going to numb America.

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Rachel Maddow

Prequel

An American Fight Against Fascism

John De La Volpe's book, 'Fight,' was mentioned as being recently released in paperback, examining how Generation Z is addressing their concerns and passions to positively impact America.

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His latest book is entitled Fight. How Gen Z is channeling their fear and passion to save America. It's out today in paperback.

— Episode: Morning Joe 4/11/23

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John De La Volpe's book, 'Fight,' was mentioned as being recently released in paperback, examining how Generation Z is addressing their concerns and passions to positively impact America.

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His latest book is entitled Fight. How Gen Z is channeling their fear and passion to save America. It's out today in paperback.

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Trixie Mattel

Working Girls

Trixie and Katya's Guide to Professional Womanhood

It was mentioned in the context of an ad about Lucas Kuntz's campaign against Josh Hawley, that courage can't be talked about, it must be shown, and that Hawley wrote a book about it instead of demonstrating it.

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If you want to be told about manhood, some guy wrote a book about it. But if you want someone to show you courage, send Lucas Kuntz to the Senate.

— Episode: Morning Joe 5/23/23

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Episode: Morning Joe 5/23/23

It was mentioned in the context of an ad about Lucas Kuntz's campaign against Josh Hawley, that courage can't be talked about, it must be shown, and that Hawley wrote a book about it instead of demonstrating it.

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If you want to be told about manhood, some guy wrote a book about it. But if you want someone to show you courage, send Lucas Kuntz to the Senate.

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FUNA

Didn't I Say To Make My Abilities Average In The Next Life?! Light Novel Vol. 18

It was mentioned that a new audiobook excerpt revealed that Donald Trump acknowledged classified letters to Kim Jong-un in a 2020 interview with Bob Woodward.

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Don't say I gave them to you, okay? But I'll let you see them, Trump added. I don't want you to have them all.

— Episode: Morning Joe 10/19/22

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Episode: Morning Joe 10/19/22

It was mentioned that a new audiobook excerpt revealed that Donald Trump acknowledged classified letters to Kim Jong-un in a 2020 interview with Bob Woodward.

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Don't say I gave them to you, okay? But I'll let you see them, Trump added. I don't want you to have them all.

Oh, those are so top secret. Oh dear.

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Leo Tolstoy

War and Peace

Li Hui, a diplomat sent by China to Ukraine, was described as someone who reads Russian classics, including War and Peace, and is considered a friend of Russia.

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He reads Russian classics like Tolstoy and Dostoevsky.

— Episode: Morning Joe 4/27/23

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Li Hui, a diplomat sent by China to Ukraine, was described as someone who reads Russian classics, including War and Peace, and is considered a friend of Russia.

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He reads Russian classics like Tolstoy and Dostoevsky.

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Jon Favreau

Democracy or Else

How to Save America in 10 Easy Steps

Former Obama aides and co-hosts of Pod Save America, John Favreau, Tommy Vitor and John Lovett, discussed their new book, "Democracy or Else", on how to save America in 10 easy steps.

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We'll speak with former Obama aides and co-host of Pod Save America, John Favreau, Tommy Vitor and John Lovett about their new book, Democracy or Else, How to Save America in 10 Easy...

— Episode: Morning Joe 6/25/24

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Episode: Morning Joe 6/25/24

Former Obama aides and co-hosts of Pod Save America, John Favreau, Tommy Vitor and John Lovett, discussed their new book, "Democracy or Else", on how to save America in 10 easy steps.

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We'll speak with former Obama aides and co-host of Pod Save America, John Favreau, Tommy Vitor and John Lovett about their new book, Democracy or Else, How to Save America in 10 Easy Steps.

The Unraveling: Reflections on Politics without Ethics and Democracy in Crisis Cover

Bob Bauer Obama Administration White House Counsel

The Unraveling

Reflections on Politics without Ethics and Democracy in Crisis

It was a new book that Bob Bauer had written that discussed the damage and scar tissue on American democracy that has been happening over the past 30-40 years. It focuses on the lack of ethics in politics and how the lack of truthfulness and respect for the opposing side has hurt democracy.

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The Unraveling Reflections on Politics Without Ethics and Democracy in Crisis

— Episode: Morning Joe 6/18/24

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It was a new book that Bob Bauer had written that discussed the damage and scar tissue on American democracy that has been happening over the past 30-40 years. It focuses on the lack of ethics in politics and how the lack of truthfulness and respect for the opposing side has hurt democracy.

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The Unraveling Reflections on Politics Without Ethics and Democracy in Crisis

And in this book, what I'm attempting to do is to show that at bottom, a democratic politics, an ethical democratic politics respects difference. It respects, I noticed in your last segment, a discussion of lies. It respects a difference between truths and falsehood.

The book I wrote is about how those of us who have a role in politics and government have an ethical responsibility to attend to the health of our democratic institutions in choices that are made every day.

I got into politics shortly after the Watergate affair. I graduated from law school. And at that time, there was still the basis for that sort of dialogue and a deep belief that it was a necessity, that it was something that, in effect, those in public life owed the public, owed the voters. And that has dissipated.

These are critical tenets that underlie the flourishing of the democracy. We have to get back to that.

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Cormac McCarthy

No Country for Old Men

His passing was mentioned, with recognition of his significant contributions to modern American literature. 'The Road' was specifically highlighted for its powerful writing and moral depth.

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Cormac McCarthy passed away yesterday, the formidable and reclusive writer who wrote All the Pretty Horses, of course, The Road and so many other classics.

— Episode: Morning Joe 6/14/23

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His passing was mentioned, with recognition of his significant contributions to modern American literature. 'The Road' was specifically highlighted for its powerful writing and moral depth.

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Cormac McCarthy passed away yesterday, the formidable and reclusive writer who wrote All the Pretty Horses, of course, The Road and so many other classics.

No Country for Old Men. But, you know, I mean, The Road, I remember being particularly moved by it. Just incredible writing.

A combination of, I mean, a singular voice, an enormous figure in American, modern American literature and a guy who who's all of his work like hangs together this dark, stark, almost apocalyptic kind of vision anchored to this really profound moral sense and like that.

That the morality in that kind of shines through and all these very dark visions in his pieces is what made him something more than just a great wordsmith, but a really important artist in American life.

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Hannah Ritchie

Not the End of the World

How We Can Be the First Generation to Build a Sustainable Planet

The book is about climate change. The book is full of solutions to climate change and encourages readers to remain optimistic.

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There is a good book about this. Hannah Rich has written a book called Not the End of the World.

— Episode: Morning Joe 6/21/24

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The book is about climate change. The book is full of solutions to climate change and encourages readers to remain optimistic.

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There is a good book about this. Hannah Rich has written a book called Not the End of the World.

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Cormac McCarthy

The Road

His passing was mentioned, with recognition of his significant contributions to modern American literature. 'The Road' was specifically highlighted for its powerful writing and moral depth.

"

Cormac McCarthy passed away yesterday, the formidable and reclusive writer who wrote All the Pretty Horses, of course, The Road and so many other classics.

— Episode: Morning Joe 6/14/23

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Episode: Morning Joe 6/14/23

His passing was mentioned, with recognition of his significant contributions to modern American literature. 'The Road' was specifically highlighted for its powerful writing and moral depth.

"

Cormac McCarthy passed away yesterday, the formidable and reclusive writer who wrote All the Pretty Horses, of course, The Road and so many other classics.

No Country for Old Men. But, you know, I mean, The Road, I remember being particularly moved by it. Just incredible writing.

A combination of, I mean, a singular voice, an enormous figure in American, modern American literature and a guy who who's all of his work like hangs together this dark, stark, almost apocalyptic kind of vision anchored to this really profound moral sense and like that.

That the morality in that kind of shines through and all these very dark visions in his pieces is what made him something more than just a great wordsmith, but a really important artist in American life.

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Thomas Hobbes

Leviathan (Illustrated)

Premium Edition

Hobbes's book was referenced in the context of the 'state of nature' concept, comparing the current political situation to a potential 'war of all against all'.

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Hobbs wrote a hugely important book about the state of nature is the war of all against all that the point of civilization, the point of the rule of law, the point of understanding in the rest of the...

— Episode: Morning Joe 8/29/22

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Hobbes's book was referenced in the context of the 'state of nature' concept, comparing the current political situation to a potential 'war of all against all'.

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Hobbs wrote a hugely important book about the state of nature is the war of all against all that the point of civilization, the point of the rule of law, the point of understanding in the rest of the tradition, understanding that we have rights and responsibilities to each other, that that way we move above just constant perpetual conflict.

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F. Scott Fitzgerald

The Great Gatsby

The Original 1925 Edition (Booklover's Library Classics)

The book was mentioned in reference to a themed party hosted by President Trump at Mar-a-Lago, leading the host to speculate that Trump likely had not read the book.

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But at Mar-a-Lago this weekend, all the opulence of the Roaring Twenties was on full display with President Trump hosting a Great Gatsby themed party. We will dig into that parallel.

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The book was mentioned in reference to a themed party hosted by President Trump at Mar-a-Lago, leading the host to speculate that Trump likely had not read the book.

"

But at Mar-a-Lago this weekend, all the opulence of the Roaring Twenties was on full display with President Trump hosting a Great Gatsby themed party. We will dig into that parallel.

This great Gatsby themed party at Mar-a-Lago. I'm going to hazard a guess that President Trump hasn't read the book.

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Margaret Atwood

The Handmaid's Tale

The book was mentioned in the context of a documentary about book banning, where it was said that it had been pulled from some library shelves along with four other books.

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Sunday on MSNBC One night, two documentaries at 9pm Eastern to be destroyed. The story of one community's fight against book banning. My book along with four others was pulled from the shelves.

— Episode: Morning Joe 10/17/22

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Episode: Morning Joe 10/17/22

The book was mentioned in the context of a documentary about book banning, where it was said that it had been pulled from some library shelves along with four other books.

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Sunday on MSNBC One night, two documentaries at 9pm Eastern to be destroyed. The story of one community's fight against book banning. My book along with four others was pulled from the shelves.

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Jim Sciutto

The Return of Great Powers

Russia, China, and the Next World War

The book recounts conversations between Donald Trump and retired General John Kelly, where Trump allegedly praised Adolf Hitler, saying he had done some good things. Kelly disputed this statement, citing instances where Trump spoke favorably about Hitler, including praising his economic rebuilding efforts, while neglecting his subsequent treatment of his own people and the world. Additionally, Trump admired Nazi officers' loyalty to Hitler.

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He said, well, but Hitler did some good things, Kelly said of one conversation with Trump. I said, well, what? And he said, well, Hitler rebuilt the economy. But what did he do with that rebuilt econo...

— Episode: Morning Joe 3/12/24

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The book recounts conversations between Donald Trump and retired General John Kelly, where Trump allegedly praised Adolf Hitler, saying he had done some good things. Kelly disputed this statement, citing instances where Trump spoke favorably about Hitler, including praising his economic rebuilding efforts, while neglecting his subsequent treatment of his own people and the world. Additionally, Trump admired Nazi officers' loyalty to Hitler.

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He said, well, but Hitler did some good things, Kelly said of one conversation with Trump. I said, well, what? And he said, well, Hitler rebuilt the economy. But what did he do with that rebuilt economy? He turned it against his own people and against the world. And I said, sir, you can never say anything good about the guy. Nothing.

Trump also admired Nazi officers' loyalty to Hitler, according to Kelly.

The book quotes he would ask about the loyalty issues and about how when I pointed out to him, the German generals as a group were not loyal to him and in fact tried to assassinate him a few times. And he did not know that, Kelly said in a statement.

My new order, which he keeps in a cabinet by his bed.

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Martin Baron

Collision of Power

Trump, Bezos, and THE WASHINGTON POST

The book by Stephen Sund, the former Capitol Police chief, was reviewed by the Washington Post and described the failures of government agencies in their response to the January 6th attack on the Capitol.

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Sund writes that top leaders from the FBI, DHS and even the Capitol Police's own intelligence division were tipped off about the attack weeks before it happened. But those warnings were never shared w...

— Episode: Morning Joe 1/2/23

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The book by Stephen Sund, the former Capitol Police chief, was reviewed by the Washington Post and described the failures of government agencies in their response to the January 6th attack on the Capitol.

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Sund writes that top leaders from the FBI, DHS and even the Capitol Police's own intelligence division were tipped off about the attack weeks before it happened. But those warnings were never shared with him.

Sund also details failures to respond to the violence in real time, including a conference call shortly after rioters breached the Capitol where Pentagon leaders allegedly refused to deploy National Guard troops to the scene.

According to the Post, Sund writes that Lieutenant General Walter Pye told him he didn't like the optics of sending uniformed Guard troops to the Capitol, but could allow them to replace police officers at roadside checkpoints.

Sund says he later learned that at the same time Pentagon leaders were rushing to send security teams to protect the homes of military officials, none of which were under attack.

Sund, who resigned the day after the riot at the request of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, also warns that many of the same internal failures that allowed the insurrection to take place have not been fixed today.

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Joy-Ann Reid

Medgar and Myrlie

Medgar Evers and the Love Story That Awakened America

Joy Reid was at the National Action Network event and spoke about her book on Medgar Evers and his assassination. Her talk was well-received.

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Also as history Joy Reed was there with her book on Medgar ever's later yesterday afternoon and she was received well Medgar ever's assassination

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Joy Reid was at the National Action Network event and spoke about her book on Medgar Evers and his assassination. Her talk was well-received.

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Also as history Joy Reed was there with her book on Medgar ever's later yesterday afternoon and she was received well Medgar ever's assassination

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Liz Cheney

Oath and Honor

A Memoir and a Warning

Liz Cheney's new book was discussed, and it's a memoir and warning about the dangers of a second Trump term. The book details the events of January 6th and the Republican Party's response.

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She will join our set to discuss her new book, Oath and Honor.

— Episode: Morning Joe 12/5/23

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Liz Cheney's new book was discussed, and it's a memoir and warning about the dangers of a second Trump term. The book details the events of January 6th and the Republican Party's response.

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She will join our set to discuss her new book, Oath and Honor.

Liz Cheney joins us now. She is a professor of practice at the University of Virginia Center for Politics and author of the new book out today entitled Oath and Honor, a memoir and a warning.

And I think that that the the founders were very clear about trying to ensure that people who are elected in an elective office swear an oath to the Constitution and put something above, you know, what they called factionalism, allegiance to a single individual.

And I think what we've seen over the last couple of years is how important that really is, how much that really matters and what we have to demand of our elected officials.

The book is filled with vivid illustrations of how much power Trump wielded over your Republican colleagues, including how Kevin McCarthy, then speaker, would sometimes let him listen in secretly to your weekly meetings.

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Cassidy Hutchinson

Enough

A new book by Cassidy Hutchinson, who worked in the Trump White House, was mentioned in relation to her experiences and the events of January 6th, including mentions of Rudy Giuliani.

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And we've got a lot to get to this morning, including information out of Cassidy Hutchinson's new book.

— Episode: Morning Joe 9/21/23

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Episode: Morning Joe 9/21/23

A new book by Cassidy Hutchinson, who worked in the Trump White House, was mentioned in relation to her experiences and the events of January 6th, including mentions of Rudy Giuliani.

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And we've got a lot to get to this morning, including information out of Cassidy Hutchinson's new book.

She worked in the Trump White House. We saw her during the hearings on Capitol Hill about January 6th, which is about, you know, probably the worst day of a lot of people's lives there.

And she found a story to tell that actually made it worse. We'll get to that.

I mean, and it involved Rudy Giuliani.

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David Ignatius

Phantom Orbit

A Thriller

It was a new thriller about space warfare, which was described as the future of warfare. Ukraine was described as the first space war and the book was said to be about the truth of what is coming in space warfare.

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So, Joe, I have a friend from Syria who said to me once, David, you tell the truth more in your fiction than in your journalism.

— Episode: Morning Joe 5/6/24

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It was a new thriller about space warfare, which was described as the future of warfare. Ukraine was described as the first space war and the book was said to be about the truth of what is coming in space warfare.

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So, Joe, I have a friend from Syria who said to me once, David, you tell the truth more in your fiction than in your journalism.

The Washington Post David Ignatius, thank you.

So, John Meacham, Phantom Orbit is about the world of warfare that has really arrived.

The next war will begin in space, it may end in space, and these are systems that people haven't really begun to think about.

I get to think in this broader way about what's coming and the characters who are driving it.

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