The podcast hosts discussed this book extensively, reading passages and reflecting on its themes of impermanence, fear, and the acceptance of suffering. It was described as a source of comfort and wisdom, particularly relevant during times of crisis.
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Things falling apart is a kind of testing and also a kind of healing. We think that the point is to pass the test or to overcome the problem, but the truth is that things don't really get solved. They come together and they fall apart. And they come together again and fall apart again. It's just like that. The healing comes from letting there be room for all of this to happen. Room for grief, for relief, for misery, for joy.
The journey goes down, not up. It's as if the mountain pointed downward, pointed toward the center of the earth instead of reaching into the sky. Instead of transcending the suffering of all creatures, we move toward turbulence and doubt. We jump into it. We slide into it. We tiptoe into it at our own pace, without speed or aggression. We move down and down and down. With us move millions of others, our companions, an awakening from fear. At the bottom we discover water. Right down there in the thick of things, we discover the love that will not die.
If we're willing to give up hope that insecurity and pain can be exterminated, then we can have the courage to relax with the groundlessness of our situation. This is the first step on the path.
Suffering begins to dissolve when we can question the belief or the hope that there's anywhere to hide.
Spiritual awakening is frequently described as a journey to the top of a mountain. We leave our attachments and our worldliness behind and slowly make our way to the top. At the peak, we have transcended all pain. The only problem with this metaphor is that we leave all the others behind. Our drunken brother, our schizophrenic sister, our tormented animals and friends. Their suffering continues, unrelieved by our personal escape. In the process of discovering bodhicitta, the journey goes down, not up.