The MeatEater Podcast
Book Recommendations

The MeatEater Podcast

Building on the belief that a deeper understanding of the natural world enriches all of our lives, host Steven Rinella brings an in-depth and relevant look at all outdoor topics including hunting, fishing, nature, conservation, and wild foods. Filled with humor, irreverence, and things that will sur...

Episodes 710
Books 414

Recently mentioned

Latest Recommendations

True Grit: A Novel cover

True Grit

Charles Portis

Mentioned 5 months ago

Ep. 833: Game On, Suckers! MeatEater Trivia CCIII

A character in the novel reportedly had an injury and stated something swelled up tighter than Dick's hat band.

Do you know what Charles Portis' novel, True Grit? A guy says... Someone has an injury. I can't remember if he gets bit by a snake. And he says it's swelled up tighter than Dick's hat band.

Buy on Amazon
The Free and the Dead: The Untold Story of the Black Seminole Chief, the Indigenous Rebel, and America's Forgotten War cover

The Free and the Dead

Jamie Holmes

Mentioned 5 months ago

Ep. 832: Osceola, Native American Slavery, and The Seminole Wars

This was Jamie Holmes's third book and it was about the Seminole Wars, focusing on complexity that turned preconceived notions about the war on their head. The book featured deep archival research, leading to a very extensive notes section that was almost as long as the book itself.

His third book's out. Just out. I'm holding my hand here. It's called The Free and the Dead, The Untold Story of the Black Seminole Chief, The Indigenous Rebel, and America's Forgotten War.

Buy on Amazon
12 Seconds Of Silence: How a Team of Inventors, Tinkerers, and Spies Took Down a Nazi Superweapon cover

12 Seconds Of Silence

Jamie Holmes

Mentioned 5 months ago

Ep. 832: Osceola, Native American Slavery, and The Seminole Wars

This was Jamie Holmes's second book, which focused on World War II and a group of scientists who invented a new weapon to shoot down airplanes, which they used successfully against a Nazi super weapon. He fell in love with archive work while researching this book, which served as a bridge from his first book on science to his third.

The bridge is my second book, which is 12 seconds of silence, which is completely within this genre, which is historical narrative nonfiction with a ton of archive work.

Buy on Amazon
The Gales of November: The Untold Story of the Edmund Fitzgerald cover

The Gales of November

John U. Bacon

Mentioned 5 months ago

Ep. 826: Like Nuts on a Cat

The book about the sinking of the Edmund Fitzgerald was mentioned as an example of the type of content that would appear in the new interview show format of the podcast.

recently we had on a guy talking about his book about the Edmund Fitzgerald. Okay. For instance, that which is called the sinking of the Edmund Fitzgerald. That's the interview show.

Buy on Amazon
Bobcat of North America (Wildlife Management Institute Classics) cover

Bobcat of North America (Wildlife Management Institute Classics)

Stanley P. Young

Mentioned 5 months ago

Ep. 826: Like Nuts on a Cat

A book about bobcats from 1960 was mentioned as containing interesting historical information about the animal, despite lacking modern collaring data.

I've got a very interesting book for you. I was going to bring it on this trip, but I forgot it. And the title of it is the Bobcat of North America.

Buy on Amazon
The Interpretation of Cultures: Selected Essays cover

The Interpretation of Cultures

Clifford Geertz

Mentioned 1 year ago

Ep. 607: MeatEater Radio Live! Whitetail Buck Beds, Deer Sex, and Mauled By a Black Bear

The podcast host used an excerpt from this book's essay "Deep Play: Notes on the Balinese Cockfight" to compare the cultural significance of Balinese cockfighting to the deer hunting traditions depicted in the movie *Escanaba in the Moonlight*. The essay discusses how seemingly irrational behaviors can hold profound meaning within a cultural context.

What sets deer hunting apart from the ordinary course of life lifts it from the realm of everyday practical affairs and surrounds it with an aura of enlarged importance is not, as a functionalist society would have it, that it reinforces status, but that it provides a metasocial commentary upon the whole matter of assorting human beings into fixed hierarchical ranks and then organizing the major part of collective existence around that assortment.

Buy on Amazon
MeatEater's Wild + Whole: Seasonal Recipes for the Conscious Cook: A Wild Game Cookbook cover

MeatEater's Wild + Whole

Danielle Prewett

Mentioned 1 year ago

Ep. 604: MeatEater Radio Live! An Alaska Moose Hunt, Utah Wants Your Land, and Buffalo Scapulas

This cookbook, an ode to seasonal cooking with wild and foraged ingredients, was described as containing over 80 recipes inspired by ingredients one can hunt, fish, forage, or grow. It was praised for its accessible recipes and beautiful, full-color photographs.

We've got a new book coming out in the meat eater universe, and for the first time, it is not one of mine.

Buy on Amazon
Undaunted Courage: Meriwether Lewis, Thomas Jefferson and the Opening of the American West: Meriwether Lewis Thomas Jefferson and the Opening cover

Undaunted Courage

Stephen E. Ambrose

Mentioned 1 year ago

Ep. 597: Game On, Suckers! MeatEater Trivia CXXIX

It was discussed as a New York Times bestseller about Lewis and Clark, selling over 200,000 copies in its first month, and a planned HBO series based on it was canceled.

What is the name of the New York Times bestseller about Lewis and Clark that was written by Stephen Ambrose?

Buy on Amazon
The MeatEater Fish and Game Cookbook: Recipes and Techniques for Every Hunter and Angler cover

The MeatEater Fish and Game Cookbook

Steven Rinella

Mentioned 1 year ago

Ep. 594: Game On, Suckers! MeatEater Trivia CXXVIII

This cookbook contains over 80 recipes that use ingredients one can hunt, fish, forage, or grow in their garden, often pairing ingredients from different seasons; it is described as having gorgeous, full-color photographs.

MeatEater's Wild and Hole. Seasonal recipes for the conscious cook

Buy on Amazon
The MeatEater Outdoor Cookbook: Wild Game Recipes for the Grill, Smoker, Campstove, and Campfire cover

The MeatEater Outdoor Cookbook

Steven Rinella

Mentioned 1 year ago

Ep. 598: MeatEater Radio Live! A Salmon Smokehouse, Killer Jerky, and the 6th Biggest Yukon Moose

The MeatEater Outdoor Cookbook was referenced when discussing a cola ancho jerky recipe, which was made in a dehydrator instead of a smoker and also featured Kashmiri chili powder instead of ancho chili.

So I went to the new Meter Outdoor Cookbook and went to Cola Ancho Jerky.

Buy on Amazon
Wild Country (World of the Others, The) cover

Wild Country (World of the Others, The)

Anne Bishop

Mentioned 1 year ago

Ep. 588: Game On, Suckers! MeatEater Trivia CXXVI

It was mentioned that Mark Kenyon may have learned about the Jefferson and Madison Rivers from writing this book.

Learned this from writing his book that wild country.

Buy on Amazon
Night of the Grizzlies cover

Night of the Grizzlies

Jack Olsen

Mentioned 1 year ago

Ep. 585: Game On, Suckers! MeatEater Trivia CXXV

This 1969 book, originally a three-part article in *Sports Illustrated*, details the fatal maulings of two young women in Glacier National Park.

Most Recommended

Daniel Goes Out for Dinner Pre-Level One Paperback Book Cover

Daniel Goes Out for Dinner Pre-Level One Paperback Book

This cookbook was mentioned as being in the process of completion at the time of the podcast recording. It was described as a follow up to The Complete Guide to the MeatEater Cookbook.

"

And then one more cookbook, the Daniel Pruitt Wild and Whole.

— Episode: Ep. 406: Game On, Suckers! MeatEater Tri...

Listen on Audible 7-day free trial

Episode: Ep. 406: Game On, Suckers! MeatEater Trivia XLIII

This cookbook was mentioned as being in the process of completion at the time of the podcast recording. It was described as a follow up to The Complete Guide to the MeatEater Cookbook.

"

And then one more cookbook, the Daniel Pruitt Wild and Whole.

Ground Crayfish-3.5oz (Very clean &flavorful) Cover

Ground Crayfish-3.5oz (Very clean &flavorful)

This is described as an activity book and educational manual for kids and adults, designed to teach about the planet and a child's place in it. It contains activities of varying difficulty levels, and safety warnings were included for some activities.

"

So we got a new title coming out. We have an activity for a great activity book. It's like an activity book, but it's an educational manual. If you wish your kids knew all the shit you don't know, you...

— Episode: Ep. 406: Game On, Suckers! MeatEater Tri...

Listen on Audible 7-day free trial

Episode: Ep. 406: Game On, Suckers! MeatEater Trivia XLIII

This is described as an activity book and educational manual for kids and adults, designed to teach about the planet and a child's place in it. It contains activities of varying difficulty levels, and safety warnings were included for some activities.

"

So we got a new title coming out. We have an activity for a great activity book. It's like an activity book, but it's an educational manual. If you wish your kids knew all the shit you don't know, you'd get them this book.

Get your crayfish, count the stars.

So I have, my kids are eight, 10 and 12. It's very appropriate for all of my kids. It'd be appropriate for kids a bit younger and my 12 year old definitely hasn't aged out of it, but it's like, it's the whole world put into these things, like activities they can do. Some, you know, if you're not careful, your kid might cut his finger off or something. So you gotta be, you gotta exercise caution. Some they can do on their own. Some they'll need some help with. We loaded it with all of the requisite warnings. But if you want your kid to understand the planet and their place in it and like what's going on around them, this is a book you ought to buy for him.

NEW-The MeatEater Guide to Wilderness Skills and Survival Cover

Steven Rinella

NEW-The MeatEater Guide to Wilderness Skills and Survival

This book was mentioned in passing as a project that was completed before the team started work on the children's activity book, "Get Your Crayfish, Count the Stars."

"

As soon as we finished the wilderness skills book, we got into this one and then we got more, we were doing like a, we're doing a sportsman's Atlas of America.

— Episode: Ep. 406: Game On, Suckers! MeatEater Tri...

Listen on Audible 7-day free trial

Episode: Ep. 406: Game On, Suckers! MeatEater Trivia XLIII

This book was mentioned in passing as a project that was completed before the team started work on the children's activity book, "Get Your Crayfish, Count the Stars."

"

As soon as we finished the wilderness skills book, we got into this one and then we got more, we were doing like a, we're doing a sportsman's Atlas of America.

Rocky Mountain High: A Tale of Boom and Bust in the New Wild West Cover

Finn Murphy

Rocky Mountain High

A Tale of Boom and Bust in the New Wild West

This song was mentioned in relation to how John Denver pronounces "Colorado", which sparked a discussion on different pronunciations of the state's name and which one is considered correct. The song was used as a reference point for the "correct" local pronunciation.

"

What about that Flying Burrito Brothers song? Hey, Colorado, it's not so long ago. That's a famous. I think that whatever John Denver says goes. And if you play that, I'll go with that.

— Episode: Ep. 404: Game On, Suckers! MeatEater Tri...

Listen on Audible 7-day free trial

Episode: Ep. 404: Game On, Suckers! MeatEater Trivia XLII

This song was mentioned in relation to how John Denver pronounces "Colorado", which sparked a discussion on different pronunciations of the state's name and which one is considered correct. The song was used as a reference point for the "correct" local pronunciation.

"

What about that Flying Burrito Brothers song? Hey, Colorado, it's not so long ago. That's a famous. I think that whatever John Denver says goes. And if you play that, I'll go with that.

Rocky Mountain High. This is a big area of contention with Oregon as well.

Colorado.

Saddam's Secrets: How an Iraqi General Defied & Survived Saddam Hussein Cover

General Georges Sada

Saddam's Secrets

How an Iraqi General Defied & Survived Saddam Hussein

Rourke Denver's book contains a picture of him with one of Saddam Hussein's carp, which were stocked in the moats around his palace. The anecdote about the carp is used to highlight Saddam's love of fish and how this ultimately contributed to his capture.

"

I think in Rourke's book, there's a picture of Rourke with one of Saddam's bass.

— Episode: Ep. 404: Game On, Suckers! MeatEater Tri...

Listen on Audible 7-day free trial

Episode: Ep. 404: Game On, Suckers! MeatEater Trivia XLII

Rourke Denver's book contains a picture of him with one of Saddam Hussein's carp, which were stocked in the moats around his palace. The anecdote about the carp is used to highlight Saddam's love of fish and how this ultimately contributed to his capture.

"

I think in Rourke's book, there's a picture of Rourke with one of Saddam's bass.

And he said to a lot of guys where it was like game on, like a lot of dudes were like, sweet, I can finally fish the carp. And it didn't matter what they would catch. They just called them Saddam's bass over there.

Black Elk Speaks Being the Life Story of a Holy Man of the Oglala Sioux Cover

Black Neihardt, John G.; Elk

Black Elk Speaks Being the Life Story of a Holy Man of the Oglala Sioux

This book about Native Americans was mentioned alongside "Son of the Morning Star" and "Empire of the Summer Moon" as a source of insight into the lives and challenges faced by Native American people in the past.

"

you read those books and then Black Elk Speaks is another great one

— Episode: Ep. 403: Rattling Bucks with Joe Rogan

Listen on Audible 7-day free trial

Episode: Ep. 403: Rattling Bucks with Joe Rogan

This book about Native Americans was mentioned alongside "Son of the Morning Star" and "Empire of the Summer Moon" as a source of insight into the lives and challenges faced by Native American people in the past.

"

you read those books and then Black Elk Speaks is another great one

NEW-The MeatEater Guide to Wilderness Skills and Survival Cover

Steven Rinella

NEW-The MeatEater Guide to Wilderness Skills and Survival

A Russian publisher wanted to purchase the rights to translate and publish this book in Russia; the author was pleased to accept their offer of $500 for the rights.

"

It was the survival book. Okay. The wilderness skills book.

— Episode: Ep. 401: Ch-ch-ch-changes and Lessons fo...

Listen on Audible 7-day free trial

Episode: Ep. 401: Ch-ch-ch-changes and Lessons for 2023

A Russian publisher wanted to purchase the rights to translate and publish this book in Russia; the author was pleased to accept their offer of $500 for the rights.

"

It was the survival book. Okay. The wilderness skills book.

So there's like this Russian publisher wanted to buy the Russian rights to do a translation of the wilderness skills book.

It was only 500 bucks.

John Henry: An American Legend 50th Anniversary Edition Cover

Ezra Jack Keats

John Henry

An American Legend 50th Anniversary Edition

It is a biography about the life of David Crockett. The author was asked if they ever wrote a book where no one dies, and they said no.

"

And I wrote a book called American Legend about the life of David Crockett.

— Episode: Ep. 395: When Things Go South Up North

Listen on Audible 7-day free trial

Episode: Ep. 395: When Things Go South Up North

It is a biography about the life of David Crockett. The author was asked if they ever wrote a book where no one dies, and they said no.

"

And I wrote a book called American Legend about the life of David Crockett.

Empire of Ice and Stone: The Disastrous and Heroic Voyage of the Karluk Cover

Buddy Levy

Empire of Ice and Stone

The Disastrous and Heroic Voyage of the Karluk

It follows the disastrous Canadian Arctic expedition of 1913-1918. The book focuses on the challenges and survival of the expedition members.

"

And it's like a bunch more people freezing to death and dying. Yeah, I like it.

— Episode: Ep. 395: When Things Go South Up North

Listen on Audible 7-day free trial

Episode: Ep. 395: When Things Go South Up North

It follows the disastrous Canadian Arctic expedition of 1913-1918. The book focuses on the challenges and survival of the expedition members.

"

And it's like a bunch more people freezing to death and dying. Yeah, I like it.

And I'm always like, I don't want to give spoilers, you know? Even though when you look at the cover, you're like, that's not going to go well.

Oh, yeah, glass half full, glass half empty. The disastrous. It's an image of a ship that doesn't look like it's going anywhere anytime soon. The disastrous and heroic.

And it's about going to the North Pole in dirigibles.

The Complete Guide to Hunting, Butchering, and Cooking Wild Game: Volume 2: Small Game and Fowl Cover

Steven Rinella

The Complete Guide to Hunting, Butchering, and Cooking Wild Game

Volume 2

Lane Rogers won a signed copy of this book for submitting a question for the listener question of the week segment.

"

Lane is going to get a signed copy of The Complete Guide to Hunting, Butchering, and Cooking Wild Game, Volume 2.

— Episode: Ep. 394: Game On, Suckers! MeatEater Tri...

Listen on Audible 7-day free trial

Episode: Ep. 394: Game On, Suckers! MeatEater Trivia XXXVII

Lane Rogers won a signed copy of this book for submitting a question for the listener question of the week segment.

"

Lane is going to get a signed copy of The Complete Guide to Hunting, Butchering, and Cooking Wild Game, Volume 2.

The Friendly Arctic; the Story of Five Years in Polar Regions Cover

Vilhjalmur 1879-1962 Stefansson

The Friendly Arctic; the Story of Five Years in Polar Regions

This book, written by Vilhjalmur Stefansson, was mentioned. It details how small groups of people can survive in the Arctic and was heavily contested by Amundsen.

"

Steffensen's book, "The Friendly Arctic"

— Episode: Ep. 395: When Things Go South Up North

Listen on Audible 7-day free trial

Episode: Ep. 395: When Things Go South Up North

This book, written by Vilhjalmur Stefansson, was mentioned. It details how small groups of people can survive in the Arctic and was heavily contested by Amundsen.

"

Steffensen's book, "The Friendly Arctic"

So he resurfaces. Okay. And now he's, he is, his books are selling. He's writes, he's written My Life with the Eskimo and he also writes The Friendly Arctic, which is a great title for a book in which most people die.

He's like... What you do is you take off as soon as things look bad.

He's like, this is actually irresponsible because you're, you're making it sound like any Yeho can just go with a rifle and live off the ice. And it's like most of the people that would try that are going to die, you know?

NEW-The MeatEater Guide to Wilderness Skills and Survival Cover

Steven Rinella

NEW-The MeatEater Guide to Wilderness Skills and Survival

A signed copy of this book was offered as a prize to the listener who submitted the winning question for the week.

"

Kanan is going to get a signed copy of the Mead Eater Guide to Wilderness Skills and Survival.

— Episode: Ep. 392: Game On, Suckers! MeatEater Tri...

Listen on Audible 7-day free trial

Episode: Ep. 392: Game On, Suckers! MeatEater Trivia XXXVI

A signed copy of this book was offered as a prize to the listener who submitted the winning question for the week.

"

Kanan is going to get a signed copy of the Mead Eater Guide to Wilderness Skills and Survival.

Coronado, Knight of Pueblos and Plains Cover

Herbert E Bolton

Coronado, Knight of Pueblos and Plains

Rinella mentioned reading a book about Coronado's expedition, describing it as a "classic volume" but also an "irritating author". The book detailed encounters with bison hunters who sharpened stone tools with their teeth.

"

I can't remember a guy's name...He wrote Coronado night of the Pueblos and Plains. Pueblo Plains. Yeah. Classic volume. Yeah. Irritating author.

— Episode: Ep. 380: Chopping Up A Buffalo With Clov...

Listen on Audible 7-day free trial

Episode: Ep. 380: Chopping Up A Buffalo With Clovis Points

Rinella mentioned reading a book about Coronado's expedition, describing it as a "classic volume" but also an "irritating author". The book detailed encounters with bison hunters who sharpened stone tools with their teeth.

"

I can't remember a guy's name...He wrote Coronado night of the Pueblos and Plains. Pueblo Plains. Yeah. Classic volume. Yeah. Irritating author.

Deer of the Southwest Cover

Jim Heffelfinger

Deer of the Southwest

It was previously out of print, but it was mentioned that it recently became available again and can be purchased from various retailers, including the author's website.

"

Your book's back in print, Jim.

— Episode: Ep. 373: Shirker Bucks, Baubellum, and B...

Listen on Audible 7-day free trial

Episode: Ep. 373: Shirker Bucks, Baubellum, and Binturongs

It was previously out of print, but it was mentioned that it recently became available again and can be purchased from various retailers, including the author's website.

"

Your book's back in print, Jim.

Yeah, Deer of the Southwest.

Yeah, published that and that's desert mule deer, cow's white-tailed deer in the Southwest.

It was out of print. Did it get to where, is it so out of print that people sell them for stupid amounts of money and then no one wants to buy it?

I've got some screenshots of $800 on Amazon.

Wildlife Research 40440 4x4 Synthetic Mule Deer Lure (1-Fluid Ounce) Cover

Wildlife Research 40440 4x4 Synthetic Mule Deer Lure (1-Fluid Ounce)

This book, published 41 years prior to the podcast recording, was described as a reference for mule deer information and served as inspiration for a new, updated version.

"

About 41 years ago, Charles Walmo put together a book called mule deer and black tail deer in North America, um, with different people writing different chapters. And that thing is, has is still used...

— Episode: Ep. 373: Shirker Bucks, Baubellum, and B...

Listen on Audible 7-day free trial

Episode: Ep. 373: Shirker Bucks, Baubellum, and Binturongs

This book, published 41 years prior to the podcast recording, was described as a reference for mule deer information and served as inspiration for a new, updated version.

"

About 41 years ago, Charles Walmo put together a book called mule deer and black tail deer in North America, um, with different people writing different chapters. And that thing is, has is still used as a reference for mule deer information, but it's four decades old.

Ecology and Management of Black-tailed and Mule Deer of North America Cover

James R. Heffelfinger

Ecology and Management of Black-tailed and Mule Deer of North America

This is a new book, described as a comprehensive and updated resource on mule deer and black-tailed deer, featuring contributions from numerous experts in the field. It includes 550 pages, 100 color photographs, and 23 chapters written by 80 authors.

"

So we've been working, me and a lot of people throughout the West been working on a big, what will be the Bible of mule deer and black tail deer in North America.

— Episode: Ep. 373: Shirker Bucks, Baubellum, and B...

Listen on Audible 7-day free trial

Episode: Ep. 373: Shirker Bucks, Baubellum, and Binturongs

This is a new book, described as a comprehensive and updated resource on mule deer and black-tailed deer, featuring contributions from numerous experts in the field. It includes 550 pages, 100 color photographs, and 23 chapters written by 80 authors.

"

So we've been working, me and a lot of people throughout the West been working on a big, what will be the Bible of mule deer and black tail deer in North America.

So that is at the publisher now it's, it's in layout. That's it's going to be about 550 pages, a hundred color photographs, 23 chapters, 80 authors, 550 pages, a hundred color photos.

Sparrow Envy: Field Guide to Birds and Lesser Beasts Cover

J. Drew Lanham

Sparrow Envy

Field Guide to Birds and Lesser Beasts

This is a 2021 book of poetry by Drew Lanham, which is a field guide to birds and lesser beasts.

"

Called Sparrow Envy, Field Guide to Birds and Lesser Beasts. So that came out 2021.

— Episode: Ep. 360: The World Coming to You on a Wi...

Listen on Audible 7-day free trial

Episode: Ep. 360: The World Coming to You on a Wing

This is a 2021 book of poetry by Drew Lanham, which is a field guide to birds and lesser beasts.

"

Called Sparrow Envy, Field Guide to Birds and Lesser Beasts. So that came out 2021.

PRIVATE LIFE OF AN INDIAN PRINCE ( Universal Book Club edition) Cover

Mulk Raj Anand

PRIVATE LIFE OF AN INDIAN PRINCE ( Universal Book Club edition)

The book was mentioned in passing, in relation to the speaker's surprise that the guest didn't know about it, and a subsequent anecdote about the Clinton administration considering targeting Bin Laden at a falconry camp.

"

Do you know that? Life with an Indian Prince.

— Episode: Ep. 354: If There's Lead In The Air, The...

Listen on Audible 7-day free trial

Episode: Ep. 354: If There's Lead In The Air, There's Hope...

The book was mentioned in passing, in relation to the speaker's surprise that the guest didn't know about it, and a subsequent anecdote about the Clinton administration considering targeting Bin Laden at a falconry camp.

"

Do you know that? Life with an Indian Prince.

I'm going to send you a book.

Wildlife in America Cover

Peter Matthiessen

Wildlife in America

The book was mentioned in relation to the author's discussion on the conservation of condors and the decision to maintain a captive flock to understand the reasons behind their decline. A quote from the book regarding the need to conserve condors and understand their extinction was referenced.

"

He talks about that, that, that look, we need to, to, to conserve these birds and prevent their extinction. And then maybe understand why they were going extinct because it may not only benefit that s...

— Episode: Ep. 354: If There's Lead In The Air, The...

Listen on Audible 7-day free trial

Episode: Ep. 354: If There's Lead In The Air, There's Hope...

The book was mentioned in relation to the author's discussion on the conservation of condors and the decision to maintain a captive flock to understand the reasons behind their decline. A quote from the book regarding the need to conserve condors and understand their extinction was referenced.

"

He talks about that, that, that look, we need to, to, to conserve these birds and prevent their extinction. And then maybe understand why they were going extinct because it may not only benefit that species. It may benefit our understanding of the ecosystem, which would be far greater use, but you have to collect these birds and retain them in captivity so that you can go and figure out what the problem was.

Note: The book recommendations on this page are discovered automatically from podcast transcripts, and may be incorrect or incomplete.