The Joe Rogan Experience

there's three great books by Camus which I highly recommend

one the outsider or the stranger a lot of high school students read this book

and the main character starts off his mom's just dies and he doesn't care and then he goes to the beach and just shoots some random guy he doesn't care and then he's put on death row and he dies and he still doesn't care and you're reading it as the reader like what's wrong with this guy but he's mirroring the world in difference he doesn't like that's what it is to accept the meaninglessness of the world

Did Dickens write Tom Sawyer? Or Huck Finn? No, no, no. That was, um, King? Samuel Clemens. Mark Twain. Samuel Clemens. What the hell did Dickens write?

And uh and uh uh the salinger book the catcher the ride because that's responsible for killing Lenin shooting Reagan like taught nice like okay well so these fucking dummies use it as their thing right so now I can't enjoy it like to fuck yourself yeah there's too many interpretations there's too many perspectives there's too many people you just have to be a reasonable person be nice do your shit do your best and you know look we work together all the time man people are laughing yeah yeah people are having a good time yeah like and and it's not it's also like what's your intention yeah it's not my our intention is to create right our intention is to come up with funny thing and like me as a person who enjoys standup I like sitting in the back of the O.R. and watching someone kill I fucking love it's the best I told somebody like I'm a Jim Rat but for comedy clothes yeah yeah I've been seeing you for 27 years yeah just hanging out I mean to be able to wear in Vegas and some kid was like what do you he was a chef at uh this place yellow tail and and he was just saying like being a chef you just fucking have to cook for 12 10 years 10 12 years just like it's hard and shooting I was like I've known him for 28 years yeah he's been going to clubs for 33 years yeah like that's the only thing that Matt it just makes sense yeah it's fair it's like it's an economy that you understand if the idea is good enough you will get this response and there's not there's not really politics there's not there's preferences but there's not like you know like oh uh have him although you got the fact that you got banned from the stores hilarious um that is like from a movie like we'll ban we have to ban one of them uh but uh but and you want in the end as it were but um but it is a fair thing and it is like the only people as rock says we're like X-Men where it's like they they're always mad at the X-Men they're always mad at the X-Men but like you fucking he's until like the X-Men yeah you're mad you're you're mad at Louis but fucking he went on stage on the line fuckers hilarious yes if he walked on stage they would stand up and and give him standing motivation yes and there's also it's also that it's almost that corporate thing where it's like if if um you know Chinese slaves are making phones did they make this one right like that this one like whereas with Louis it's like this one guy is responsible for all institutional sexism it's like no he's not he's a fucking he just was a dumb he just was dumb and he handled he was dumb from beginning to end and about it yes he was fucked he just fucked up and it was stupid um but he doesn't have to take the fall you know for whatever like yeah he is valuable yeah he's valuable he's valuable to our culture he creates a lot of I don't think of stand up this way where it's like you create joy for people like I never think of that way but he did create a lot of thought and joy like yeah he's responsible for a lot of positive shit I mean that is what the art form is yeah you're literally changing a person's state and then I mean and as an audience member I still love it and that was uh that was a struggle for me early on because I was jealous like I'd see people doing well and I wasn't doing well like god I wish I was doing that I wish I wrote that joke yeah I wish I was doing that show I wish I was and then I realized like oh this is like totally unproductive like yeah the opposite of productive it's negative yeah they can be activating in terms of like if you turn it into willy then work harder right well but the problem is like I wish I did that like that part of his no good or god why is he have to get this that part of his just no positive to that but what is positive you watch someone kill go god damn he's funny I gotta go to work yeah that's good but the hate part yeah like it's taking it out on him is like spanish yeah it's not it's counterproductive it's really common I think it's then 11 year old it's that's your first that's the easy reaction like no yeah yeah yeah the 11 year old and then and then it's like okay but what am I what's underneath it what's underneath it is like respect I don't and then there's certain people that it's like I've never hated Brian Riegan right right right name like nice and also like there's so yeah and he's fucking hilarious in a way that's just like I don't know this fucking dude this dude's funny he's so funny and so clean you could take your grandma to see him and never worry for a second I go where's he going with this yeah grandma get sensitive oh fuck I gotta get a drink yeah he's just he's one of those rare cats like gaffigan that figured out a way to make clean justice Sebastian too though yeah like Sebastian so I always forget he's clean and Nate Bargazze is now like getting into that area where he's like clean southern accent like it's a big it's like it's a good place to be but he's fucking so funny if you're naturally inclined to do that yeah yeah like if yeah if you're forcing yourself to it um but uh yeah I think that there's a ton of value in in standup I mean it's it seems so obvious but it's like and I think Netflix must there must be some metric in Netflix where they at a certain point they're losing a ton of programming meaning all of their shit's licensed Disney's taken all their shit back in like a year or two a lot of like parent like all of these places are starting their own apps so they're gonna lose and I think they realize like a lot of Netflix is standup and documentaries and I think they must be in terms of like they can never monetize it in terms of like if the alley Wong special begat this much money but if it costs them 500 grand to get alley Wong's first special including product everything they made a lot of money you know what I mean like they and it's millions of people watched it and like as well as you know it's fucking great so like they it's just a cool it's just the coolest thing I can imagine I agree like I agree that's why you're good at it though man I mean that's that's to have that appreciation respect for something that you enjoyed doing that is actually your your your your your surracuitation means beautiful thing we're really really forged yeah and the gifts that we get like a lot you know the main like and it's all for it's all from comedy yeah glasses shoes car yeah everything you're doing yeah basically like every single thing is from just a personality part yeah yeah and like creativity we're grinding too I like grinding I really do it when I'm doing three four shows a nine I get a kick out of it I'm like here we go this is how things get good work a joke out yeah the best that's how they come alive yeah I gotta wrap this up yeah yeah tell people your podcast how you feel find it's on the on cuz I'm fucking I'm excited to do it with her yeah very cool yeah it's great we get chemistry and um and it's iTunes everywhere so go check it out it's just me it's like this except it's like this yeah it's like this yes except there's a higher pitch voice just a good yeah exactly not much higher and you know you got a pretty she's yeah it's kind of high right all right bye everybody

Oliver Twist. Christmas Carol is the one I was trying to think of. David Copperfield, Great Expectations.

I fall asleep I woke up like in Fight Club when you're like when he wakes up he's like on the plane

There was a book written by Charles Murray years ago called Coming Apart.

His books "El Narco: Inside Mexico's Criminal Insurgency" and "Gangster Warlords" are available now.

My first book is El Narco my second book is Gangsta Walords which also has uh um stuff on the MS 13 on the gangs in Brazil the gangs in Jamaica as well as Mexico and I'm working on my third book now and the third book is about about gun trafficking

your book is about is out right now How to Fight Anti-Semitism available everywhere there's also an excellent audio book that I was listening to you're really good narrating it

Another one is the dropout about that Elizabeth Holmes chick that robbed everybody with that Theranos company.

Cormac McCarthy called Blood Meridian.

It's about these Texas Rangers, they went into Mexico and they got paid per scalp.

It's about this group that goes down in there and they lose it.

They go after tribes that are attacking Americans.

They go after peaceful societies, kids, and they would pick up babies and smash them.

Every book we read in high school, college, Brave New World, Lord of the Flies, 1980, or Animal Farm, like The Giver, which we read in middle school.

And it's basically being right, but early. So Rachel Carson, she wrote that book, Silent Spring, 1962. It's about DDT, environmental epidemics. She gets mocked by scientists, castigated by everybody, but her work led to the banning of DDT.

And what year was this? 1962.

I just started this book called Rule Makers and Rule Breakers. It's a... By a woman who is a cultural psychologist. Sorry, I forget her name.

Michelle Gelfand, yeah.

So she talks about tight versus loose cultures.

My impulses have got me in a lot of trouble. My impulses to take drugs, my impulses to sleep around, my impulses to even eat food. I've got a sort of a tendency to get obsessive, but you know, you would probably argue that if you direct that energy correctly it can be kind of positive.

It's just a small nod of your like of your influencing impact.

I talk about how we have latent, latent qualities within us that are sometimes hard to realize on without support.

But if you find a mentor in an area where you're looking to improve they can kind of energize awaken energies within you that on your own you wouldn't be able to use.

This book is called Mentors and actually I read it bits of it again because I knew I was coming here and I think it's actually pretty good.

But then there's a theory like the Diana Posolka's books where they talk about these disks that they have found in the recovery program that apparently does exist.

The Four Agreements are: be impeccable with your word, don't take anything personally, don't make assumptions, always do your best.

Don Miguel Ruiz added a fifth one and later a sixth, but the core four remain the essential guide.

I read two books in my whole motherfucking life.

Christine.

Yeah, I was in jail. I had a bunch of free time on my hand. I went to jail in college and I fucking...

I thought maybe I'd give you, because I know that you know The Parasitic Mind really well. Yes. And so I wanted to kind of contextualize this book in relation to that book.

But for me to completely zombify you and hijack you, I also need to zombify your affective system. That's where suicidal empathy comes in.

We are a thinking and a feeling animal, right? Both our cognitive system is important and our affective system is important. For example, advertisers recognize that if I'm trying to sell you a mutual fund, I need to engage your cognitive system...

The Parasitic Mind was the story of what I need to do to hijack your cognitive system, your ability to think rationally. And hence, there were all these parasitic ideas that destroyed your capacity to think.

Cultural relativism is a parasitic idea that I discuss in The Parasitic Mind. It basically says, who are you to judge the beliefs and the practices of another culture?

There's creativity like to write The Stand, the Stephen King novel. That requires creativity. There's something about his, he's creating these stories, he's giving voices to these characters, he's developing these scenarios and these dramatic sequences in the book that's going to get you really sucked in. That's, that's almost undeniable creativity, right?

Pet Sematary is a book. There's some things about books. I hate the cliche that books are better. Oh, the book's better. But what's interesting about books is there are certain things that you shouldn't really see. You should only imagine.