On Being with Krista Tippett

Skin remembers how long the years grow when skin is not touched.

Which was saying a lot back then.

Which it was saying, yeah, it was a bold statement.

Living with Fearlessness and Grace part or Being Black? Or both?

Both.

That we could do that. That we could live in grace.

I've been following you and reading you for years

Following and listening to you for years. I feel like it's like a very familiar voice in my head.

In 2000, that's also a wonderful book. It's Zen and the Art of Living with Fearlessness, right? With Fearlessness and Grace. And grace. With Fearlessness and Grace.

Which was saying? It was saying, yeah it was a bold statement. You know it was something really quite challenging in that statement. The living with fearlessness and grace part or Being Black? Or both? Both. Yeah. That we could do that. That we could live in grace.

But fearlessness is the really bold statement because we're expected to not be fearless. And in fact our fearlessness is dangerous and threatening. And so having people of African descent, of people that identify as black to choose fearlessness is a very, very bold statement of defiance.

I'm very taken with this book that you wrote, actually in 2016, Radical Dharma, which I think was a prescient book.

You make this statement that I find so compelling and stark and this, you know, I just want to delve into this with you. You say we cannot have a healed society, we cannot have change, we cannot have justice if we do not reclaim and repair the human spirit.

I'm very taken with this book that you wrote, actually in 2016, Radical Dharma, which I think was a prescient book. It's very much about what we're living through, but you wrote it kind of in the middle of that election year before that was all done.

We cannot have a healed society. We cannot have change. We cannot have justice if we do not reclaim and repair the human spirit. If we don't do inner work, as you're saying another place that has been under emphasized, that this is not, we have not trained ourselves to do the work that is upon us now.

What you're experiencing is Ambiguous Loss because your loved ones are still missing. It is the most difficult, most stressful loss there is but it is not your fault.

I liked it actually. I really liked it.

Oh, we had a long email correspondence, myself and Maria.

I'm Mary Doria Russell, you're listening to my unedited conversation with Mary Doria Russell.

She's a retired paleo-anthropologist and the author of four novels, including The Sparrow and Children of God.

I did bring copies of the first two books because I thought those were what you were going to talk about. Those are the ones I want to start with and talk about mostly.

But what I discovered as I was writing was that I'm bilingual religiously but I am a Jew.

And that's really the underlying theme in both The Sparrow and children of God, that God paints on a vast canvas and that his brush is time.

In a culture walled in by tradition and heavy with stability, Hlavin Katherie had created a new subtlety, a delicacy, a new appreciation of raw experience.

Opening the flask, breathing its vacuum, Katherie was met by a plume of sweetly cathoric enzyme by products, giving off notes of basil and terragon. By chocolate eramatics, sugar carbonyl and piercing compounds, carrying the suggestion of vanilla by hints of nutmeg and cell receipt and cumin in the products of dry distillation created during roasting.

A poet with no words to describe organic beauties whose origin he could not possibly suspect, Hlavin Katherie knew only that he must know more and because of this, lives were changed again

The voyage was not without reward for Alan Mark said, but we are left with Anne's question. I would God bring him all this way only to die now.

Perhaps we must all own up to being agnostic, unable to know the unknowable. Mark continued. The Jewish Sages also tell us that God dances when his children defeat him in argument when they stand on their feet and use their minds.

The Torah was not just a tree of life. It was the tree of my life, rooting my struggles in the 3000 year old struggles of the Jewish people, leading me along its terrifying branches towards the God who inexplicably had created me.

Joy laden is the author of several books of poetry and a memoir Through the Door of Life.

He wrote a book titled he's a rabbi, Orthodox rabbi, Putting God Second. The kind of theological anxiety that I'm going through, I cannot imagine. But only a faithful Jew can say that.

He wrote a book titled he's a rabbi, Orthodox rabbi, Putting God Second.

He wrote a book titled, he's a rabbi, Orthodox rabbi, Putting God Second. But only a faithful Jew can say that. Only a faithful Jew can develop a respectful language.

a wonderful book, American Grace by Putnam and Campbell is the, I think the ultimate authority on this.

And so a wonderful book, American Grace by Putnam and Campbell is the ultimate authority on this.

And so a wonderful book, American Grace by Putnam and Campbell is the ultimate authority on this.

She became known for her poetry collection "What the Living Do," about her brother's death at 28 from AIDS.

She's best known for her poetry collection, What the Living Do about her brother's death at 28 from 8.

In addition to her book, What the Living Do about her brother John's death from AIDS, she's published three other poetry collections,

You're writing about your poetry about your brother's death, is something that has been really very important for many people.

She's best known for her poetry collection, What the Living Do about her brother's death at 28 from 8.

In addition to her book, What the Living Do about her brother John's death from AIDS, she's published three other poetry collections, the good thief, the kingdom of ordinary time and most recently, Magdalene.

And wrote that in the 80s, but things dramatically changed from 76 through the mid-80s. I have to think now we're maturing. I think we've gotten out of that adolescent stage of being a power block or a special interest vying for power.

I just read Chuck's book last week and I agreed with Bonhoeffer. You read the faith in God and Government.

I said that in kingdoms in conflict now God and Government.

And I just read Chuck's book last week and I agreed with Bonhoeffer. You read the faith in God and Government.