My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

Even though the show, there's like a couple of cases that are similar. It's not one of them.

And there actually is a book called Mindhunter and that's what the, that's what it's based on.

Hello, Mindhunter.

And there actually is a book called Mindhunter and that's what the, that's what it's based on.

I finished Mindhunter today. Finally.

there is a book called Mindhunter and that's what it's based on.

In our friend Robert Gray Smith's book, he's in the- Jake Gyllenhaal, you know him as Jake Gyllenhaal. Right. In the movie, which the movie Zodiac is based on, he's portrayed as the prime suspect, played by our friend and stepdad to all.

She would read over and over again was Robert Graysmith's Zodiac book because it's a fascinating read because it's a fascinating case. But it's also it's it's a version of I'll be gone in the dark where he's not aware of how obsessed he is.

And she even says that the same drive that makes this guy go and stalk people and murder people is what drives me and these cops to keep pursuing him no matter what.

And she said the Zodiac book by Robert Graysmith is a fascinating book because it's a case study of the writer more than it is of the crime. But the writer doesn't realize he's writing it. He doesn't realize he's giving you an autobiographical case study of his unhingedness.

Robert Gray Smith is the guy that wrote the Zodiac book the movie's based on and he's that illustrator that Jake Gyllenhaal plays.

She would read over and over again was Robert Graysmith's Zodiac book because it's a fascinating read because it's a fascinating case.

But it's also it's it's a version of I'll be gone in the dark where he's not aware of how obsessed he is.

But the writer doesn't realize he's writing it. He doesn't realize he's giving you an autobiographical case study of his unhingedness.

Robert Gray Smith is the guy that wrote the Zodiac book the movie's based on and he's that illustrator that Jake Gyllenhaal plays.

I think I already recommended it on this podcast, but there's a really good podcast about it.

It's just look up Amityville Haunting about five years earlier.

It's just look up Amityville Horror Podcast. You'll find, oh, it's the one with Donnie Wahlberg.

Is it the hard copy that's kind of small, like is like white and-

I don't care because I was 10 years old when everyone started talking about that book. And it's one of the scariest things of all time.

They had gotten famous for investigating the Amityville haunting about five years earlier.

Oh, it's the one with Donnie Wahlberg.

I don't care because I was 10 years old when everyone started talking about that book.

The one we have in our school library.

I didn't understand it myself.

I know I've said this a thousand times, the hardback cup, the hardback book of the Amityville Horror.

So it was shaped like a paperback, but it had a hard white cover.

I was a huge fan of the book. Me and sister Rita Rose.

What I loved about the book was the fact or this story, whether or not it's true is it starts out as, oh, they find out this horrible thing happened in their house, but then they find out that there's something else going on.

I just remember how excited I got when I went to check out the Amityville Horror book at my grammar school library and sister Rita Rose, who was the oldest nun in the game, still wearing a habit.

The islands are of course known for their unique and wondrous creatures like giant tortoises that are used as an inspiration for Charles Darwin's The Origin Of Species.

That's what everyone knows it for, you know? The island, so motherfucking, there was like all these like Europeans and pirates and people who would take over this little island of Floriana.

The islands are of course known for their unique and wondrous creatures like giant tortoises that are used as an inspiration for Charles Darwin's The Origin Of Species.

That's what everyone knows it for, you know? The island, so motherfucking, there was like all these like Europeans and pirates and people who would take over this little island of Floriana.

It's based on Michelle's book that she wrote. So if you wanna read that book, get that.

This TV show is based on her book that she wrote, Survival of the Thickest, which is basically about her life.

Survival of the Thickest, plus-sized essays in a small-minded world.

Actually, everyone download Michelle's audio book. That's a great way to have her talk at you.

Survival of the Thickest.

He has a story and I think it's in The Men Who Stare at Goats because there's the MKUltras in there about he went and met that guy and learned all about that story and within that story after the dad died like a couple before the mom died him and his brother went on a bike trip across the United States as like a I think a 12 and a 14 year old.

He wrote The Men Who Stare at Goats.

He has a story and I think it's in The Men Who Stare at Goats because there's the MKUltras in there about he went and met that guy and learned all about that story and within that story after the dad died like a couple before the mom died him and his brother went on a bike trip across the United States as like a I think a 12 and a 14 year old.

He wrote The Men Who Stare at Goats.

Did you get this out of 50 Shades of Grey Part 3?

What I did is I took 50 shades further and I cut all the words out and I make someone do a word salad and glued them onto these pages.

But I think it's, I don't know. Well how would I know? Whatever I think it is. I just base it on the documentary I saw and then it just like, it's like retirees in the

Did you get this out of 50 Shades of Grey Part 3?

What I did is I took 50 shades further and I cut all the words out and I make someone do a word salad and glued them onto these pages.

Whips and chains. Christian Grey says sit in this chair.

I swear to God I saw that movie and I was just like is all he going to do. He just makes her sit in a chair.

I didn't realize that was S&M. I'm disappointed.

But I think it's, I don't know. Well how would I know? Whatever I think it is. I just base it on the documentary I saw and then it just like, it's like retirees in the

If you haven't read Death in the Air, the true story of a serial killer, the great London smog and the strangling of a city by Kate Winkler Dawson, you simply must.

This is a story that comes from my first book, which was called Death in the Air.

And Death in the Air was set in London in 1952.

And what the city was more concerned about was a killer and who was on the loose.

If you love historical true crime, please check out my books, American Sherlock and Death in the Air.

The serial killer from my first book, Death in the Air, John Reginald Christie used to keep photos of himself in his prison cell.

I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, a true crime historian and author of the new book, American Sherlock, along with my first book, Death in the Air.

Steve Hodel...he writes a book called 'The Black Dahlia Avenger: A Genius for Murder' in which he studies the case from scratch, reading witness interviews, reading news.

And then I delved into Stephen Hodel's memoir of his father

He writes a book called The Black Dahlia Avenger, a genius for murder.

Steve Hodel he He finds himself sorting through his late father's belongings his dad is dr. George Hodel

So Steve was one of the ones that he Whatever every two weeks you got to go to the park with him for five minutes.

So Steve ex-alipd homicide detectives gone through a stash it He finds an old photo album tucked away in a box and in the back of the album There's two pictures of a young woman that catches his eye and the photos are portraits of a beautiful woman with really dark black Curly hair a really fair skin And when Steve saw the photos having no Understanding of what's to come just immediately was like that looks like the black Dahlia immediately

So he starts to look into his father's dark past and becomes convinced that he killed Elizabeth Short So he writes a book called the Black Dahlia Avenger a genius for murder In which he studies the case from scratch reading witness interviews reading news to be like fucking he's a homicide detective

He files a Freedom of Information Act to retreat the FBI files on the murder which I just want to sit there and read forever and All this other information that was collected on his fucking shady dad

He writes a book called The Black Dahlia Avenger, a genius for murder.

Oh, maybe I know why. Because James and the Giant Peach, giant snake.

I also I loved the idea of being on a giant peach that you could like lay on and then just take a bite of if you want.

We read that book. Also, did you have the copy of 'James and the Giant Peach' that had the original illustrations? And when they first show James, he is so scary looking like his little eyes are so dark. And he's all like, you know, because his parents were his parents were killed by escaped animals from the zoo. Hippopotamus.

And so he had to go live with Ant Spiker and Ant Fuzz. It was the saddest book ever. It's so tragic and horrible. They're so mean to him.

We read that book. Also, did you have the copy of James and the Giant Peach that had the original illustrations?

And when they first show James, he is so scary looking like his little eyes are so dark.

And he's all like, you know, because his parents were his parents were killed by escaped animals from the zoo. Hippopotamus.

And so he had to go live with Ant Spiker and Ant Fuzz. It was the saddest book ever. It's so tragic and horrible. They're so mean to him.

When I was in fourth grade, third grade, really young, I was really into reading and I had a book that I'd already read three times, James and the Giant Peach.

And my fucking cunt of a teacher grabbed it from my hands and said, you can't read this. You don't know. This is too old for you. Read this line in front of the whole class.

It's an amazing book, but basically all about Edward Roloff and his whole, that whole case in detail.

Kate's most recent book, All That Is Wicked, a Gilded Age story of murder and the race to decode the criminal mind is available for preorder now.

Kate's latest book, All That Is Wicked, A Gilded Age Story of Murder and the Race to Decode the Criminal Mind.

It's a whole book about Edward Rouleff and that's available for pre-order right now.

It comes out October 4th.

So if you've listened to Tenfold More Wicked, the very first season was about a man named Edward Ruloff, and he was a psychopath who killed several people very close to him.

And at the same time, he was this genius. And so in the podcast, you hear all about him and how he almost got out of being hanged several times and how pivotal this case was.

So yeah, that comes out in October and there's pre-sales available now and the audio book also.

The book's called All That Is Wicked and so please pre-order.

All That Is Wicked, a gilded age story of murder and the race to decode the criminal mind.

And there's also a book called Who Killed These Girls by Beverly Lowry that just tells you everything and it's fascinating.

I've been reading the book, Who Killed These Girls by Beverly Lowry, which is a new book simply about this crime. It's really good and don't read it before you go to bed.

So who killed these girls has, the book has a fucking detailed bananas theory and it made me sick and not be able to sleep so if you're a creep like me go read it.

I've been reading the book, Who Killed These Girls by Beverly Lowry, which is a new book simply about this crime. It's really good and don't read it before you go to bed.

So who killed these girls has, the book has a fucking detailed bananas theory and it made me sick and not be able to sleep so if you're a creep like me go read it.

So I've been reading the book Who Killed These Girls by Beverly Lowry, which is a new book simply about this crime. It's really good and don't read it before you go to bed.

It's called Children of Time by Adrian Tchaikovsky. And it's sci-fi fantasy.

It's fucking weird as shit. It's like post-human space stuff with, there's spiders.

I've never in my life thought I would ever have sympathy to spiders, but I do.

It's like such a good book and it's making me really happy to exist.

The book is really fun to listen to.

It's called the chill. It's called Children of Time by Adrian Tchaikovsky and it's sci-fi fantasy.

The book is really fun to listen to it's fucking weird shit. It's like post-human space stuff with There's spiders. I've never in my life thought I would ever have sympathy to spiders, but I do it's like Such a good book and it's making me really happy to exist.

It's called Children of Time by Adrian Tchaikovsky. And it's sci-fi fantasy. The book is really fun to listen to.

It's fucking weird as shit. It's like post-human space stuff with, there's spiders. I've never in my life thought I would ever have sympathy to spiders, but I do.

And a lot of like, there, like, uh, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, you know, like that, that's the last book that's done that for me, which has made me like so happy that Douglas Adams existed and I get to live here.

It's called the chill. It's called Children of Time by Adrian Tchaikovsky and it's sci-fi fantasy.

The book is really fun to listen to it's fucking weird shit. It's like post-human space stuff with There's spiders.

I've never in my life thought I would ever have sympathy to spiders, but I do.

It's like Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy, you know Like that that's the last book that's done that for me Which has made me like so happy that Douglas Adams existed.

It's like your big theories and thoughts and feelings Yeah, I'm like wow someone thought of that.

Read The Michigan Murders everyone. It's such a fucking good book. The Michigan Murders by Edward Keyes. It's old, but it's fucking like a great true crime book.

Read The Michigan Murders everyone. It's such a fucking good book.

The Michigan Murders by Edward Keyes.

And it's just such a fucked up story.

I fucking there's a great book called Michigan Murders about this whole case. It's really good.

I fucking there's a great book called Michigan Murders about this whole case. It's really good.

I'm sticking with Middlesex by Jeffrey Eugenides but that's really because I obsessed with that book.

Um, mine is, and I've read it 16 times maybe, and I still obsess with it as middle sex by Jeffrey Eugenides, I think is how you say his name.

It is just one of the most beautifully written books I've ever fucking read. I adore it so much.

I think everyone should read it.

I'm sticking with Middlesex by Jeffrey Eugenides but that's really because I obsessed with that book.

Um, mine is, and I've read it 16 times maybe, and I still obsess with it as middle sex by Jeffrey Eugenides, I think is how you say his name.

It is just one of the most beautifully written books I've ever fucking read. I adore it so much.

I think everyone should read it.

It's a really great book. I listened to it on tape and I, or audio.

Her name's Terry Jens? J-E-N-T-Z. And it's Strange Piece of Paradise. I highly recommend the audiobook.

Read this book called A Strange Piece of Paradise. It's by a woman named Terry Jens and it is about the Kline Falls State Park hatchet attack.

I have to say, don't listen to the audio book. Read it.

It's the audio books. I'm sorry. Yeah, don't read. Read it right before bed. It'll give you nightmares.

And that is Terry Jens and her book, A Strange Piece of Paradise.

This book is tits like anyone...like it's legit. Anyone who will listen.

The book, it's incredible. It's like this woman is a fucking fighter and she goes to try to solve her own case, you know, 20 fucking years after it happened.

Her name's Terry Jens? J-E-N-T-Z. And it's Strange Piece of Paradise. I highly recommend the audiobook.

read this book called A Strange Piece of Paradise. It's by a woman named Terry Jens and it is about the Kline Falls State Park hatchet attack.

I have to say, don't listen to the audio book. Read it.

It's the audio books. I'm sorry. Yeah, don't read. Read it right before bed. It'll give you nightmares.

That is Terry gents and her book, A Strange Piece of Paradise.

This book is tits like anyone.

It's either some space fucking story or... Space Jam?

The soundtrack to Space Jam or Whoever Fights Monsters. Yes, that book we love. The best.

I was thinking that too.

It's just this like even killed guy narrator talking about he would cut the heads off of it. And I was like, what are you listening to Georgia?

Oh yeah. I was looking at that from another murder. There's so much information in there.

It's supposed to be the best book. I've never read it though. I'm going to read it.

Let's buy it together.

I wonder if it's a good audio book. Um, I like the idea of listening to it. Let's do it.

It's so much easier. It's so much easier. I'm in my car so much more than I'm in my reading room.

It's either some space fucking story or... Space Jam?

Yes, that book we love. The best.

I was thinking that too. The soundtrack to Space Jam or Whoever Fights Monsters.

I think so. Yeah. Yeah. I think it is something like that, which by the way is a great book to fall asleep to.

Oh yeah. I was looking at that from another murder. There's so much information in there.

Yeah. It's supposed to be the best book. I've never read it though. I'm going to read it.

Me too. Let's buy it together.

Okay, good. Should we listen to it? I wonder if it's a good audio book.

And there's also Richard Eugene Hitchcock In Cold Blood and of course the Bloody Benders.

And there are those who say, allegedly, but that she had everything to do with why In Cold Blood by Trima Kapote was such an unbelievably amazing book.

It's also the home to the Stanley Hotel, which served as inspiration for the Stephen King novel, The Shining.

A la The Shining which is spelled The shinning.

The main source is used for the story is a book called The History and Haunting of the Stanley Hotel... (later) ... the novel The Shining.

Stephen King said later, quote, except for our table, all the chairs were up on the tables.

When the novel The Shining comes out in 1977 and when the film adaptation comes out in 1980, the Stanley enjoys a renaissance, having been obviously made extremely famous.

Think Atticus Finch from To Kill a Mockingbird's demeanor.