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The Sum of Us What Racism Costs Everyone and How We Can Prosper Together

Heather McGhee

NEW YORK TIMES

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Across several episodes, the hosts highlighted the title as a powerful analysis of how racism harms everyone and why cross‑racial solidarity is essential for collective prosperity. They praised its hopeful message, vivid analogies, and critique of zero‑sum thinking, calling it a brilliant and essential read for anyone interested in policy and social change. The overall tone was one of strong endorsement.

Highly Recommended

Episode: "We always loved Joe Manchin!"

It was discussed as a book about hope and people coming together across racial lines to achieve change, particularly in the context of political movements and activism.

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She wrote a book by the same name.

You wrote this amazing book, come on the show, you geeked out about it, you decided to get into the podcast game and you were like higher ground.

The whole idea of the Some of Us the podcast is to kind of pick up where the book left off.

Episode: "How To Win A Culture War."

It was discussed in relation to the pandemic and how race has affected it; the book was described as 'fantastic'.

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And check out Whataday this week to hear the team break down news around restrictive voting laws in Texas and the ongoing tensions between Russia and Ukraine.

Abdul is joined by our friend Heather McGee to talk about her fantastic book The Sum of Us and how race has affected the pandemic.

Episode: “Biden’s chance to go big.” (with Heather McGhee!)

It was discussed as a powerful read that explains how racism negatively impacts everyone and how we can collectively prosper, and was highly recommended.

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Everyone should go check it out.

In The Sum of Us, I talk about the way in which that this country has turned its back on the formula that helped create the greatest middle class the world had ever seen because we had a social contract that said that it was the government's job to make sure that our people have a high standard of living.

This racial resentment piece is at the core.

This zero sum story that I point out in The Sum of Us that is so much like the biggest impediment to our progress, this idea that progress for people of color has to come at the expense of white people.

Everyone go by if you haven't already, The Sum of Us, What Racism Costs Everyone and How We Can Prosper Together. It is a brilliant book. I'm so glad you wrote it.

Episode: “He did it. Not guilty.”

It was discussed in detail as it recently came out. It focuses on how racism costs everyone and how we can prosper together, particularly in the context of the fight for $15.

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It's a fantastic book. It's officially out today.

It's a classic divide and conquer, which is the central sort of analysis and indictment in my book, The Sum of Us, that Republicans have tried to cleave white working class people away from their brothers and sisters in the broader multiracial working class by resentment politics, by saying that it's either a dollar in your pocket or it's a dollar in the pocket of brown and black people.

I think that there are a lot of political books that people say you should read because really what they mean is they think other people who don't already agree with us should read them. Like, I agree so heartedly with this book, so you should read it. But this is a book that I think does something rare, which is it puts together a lot of pieces about what is broken in our system and helps you have a way to think about it that you might not have seen before.

The book is The Sum of Us, and I really hope everybody buys it.

Episode: “Juneteenth.”

It was mentioned that Heather McGhee is working on a book about how racism affects everyone and how to improve together, titled 'The Sum of Us'.

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She's currently working on a book called The Sum of Us, What Racism Costs Everyone and How We Can Prosper Together.

Episode: "We always loved Joe Manchin!"

It was discussed as a book exploring hope and solidarity across racial lines, particularly in the context of political movements and achieving positive change.

"

She wrote a book by the same name.

You wrote this amazing book, come on the show, you geeked out about it, you decided to get into the podcast game and you were like higher ground.

The whole idea of the Some of Us the podcast is to kind of pick up where the book left off.

The book left off with this idea that because racism and our politics and our policymaking has a cost for everyone, that people coming together across race to actually put aside our divisions and gain from the collective power that comes with collective action is going to be the ticket to us winning big things.

Episode: "How To Win A Culture War."

It was discussed in the context of how race has impacted the pandemic, with a focus on the book's insights into the topic.

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And check out Whataday this week to hear the team break down news around restrictive voting laws in Texas and the ongoing tensions between Russia and Ukraine.

Episode: “Biden’s chance to go big.” (with Heather McGhee!)

It was discussed as a brilliant book and was recommended. It explained the drained public pool analogy, illustrating the country's turning away from a social contract that helped create the middle class.

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Everyone should go check it out.

In The Sum of Us, I talk about the way in which that this country has turned its back on the formula that helped create the greatest middle class the world had ever seen because we had a social contract that said that it was the government's job to make sure that our people have a high standard of living.

This racial resentment piece is at the core.

This zero sum story that I point out in The Sum of Us that is so much like the biggest impediment to our progress, this idea that progress for people of color has to come at the expense of white people.

Everyone go by if you haven't already, The Sum of Us, What Racism Costs Everyone and How We Can Prosper Together. It is a brilliant book. I'm so glad you wrote it.

Episode: “He did it. Not guilty.”

It was discussed in the context of how racism negatively impacts everyone economically and how working-class solidarity can lead to prosperity, it was described as a fantastic book.

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It's a fantastic book. It's officially out today.

It's a classic divide and conquer, which is the central sort of analysis and indictment in my book, The Sum of Us, that Republicans have tried to cleave white working class people away from their brothers and sisters in the broader multiracial working class by resentment politics, by saying that it's either a dollar in your pocket or it's a dollar in the pocket of brown and black people.

I think that there are a lot of political books that people say you should read because really what they mean is they think other people who don't already agree with us should read them. Like, I agree so heartedly with this book, so you should read it. But this is a book that I think does something rare, which is it puts together a lot of pieces about what is broken in our system and helps you have a way to think about it that you might not have seen before.

The book is The Sum of Us, and I really hope everybody buys it.

Episode: When Life Gives You Don Lemon

The book was cited as an illustration of the zerosum race game, describing how segregationist policies like closing public pools harmed everyone.

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And all of this, I will just say, is explored so brilliantly by my friend Heather McGee in her book, The Sum of Us, which is like the idea of if someone else is doing better, that means you're doing worse. And in fact, like in the example she uses is during segregation, in lieu of having black kids and white kids swim at the swimming pool together, some communities shut down the pool entirely.

The Ezra Klein Show

The book was highlighted as a groundbreaking work that explained how racism imposes costs on everyone and offered a vision for collective prosperity. Ezra Klein and guests such as Ai‑jen Poo and Louise Seamster repeatedly praised it as essential reading and strongly recommended it. The discussion emphasized its relevance to topics like care costs, debt inequality, and identity politics, illustrating its broad applicability.

Highly Recommended

Episode: Families Are Drowning in Care Costs. Here’s How To...

The book was highlighted as a remarkable, groundbreaking work that the speakers highly recommended and described as essential reading on racism and its costs.

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Heather McGhee is the author of the remarkable book, The Sum of Us, What Racism Costs Everyone and How We Can Prosper Together.

When I was traveling the country for what would become my book, The Sum of Us, I spent a lot of time talking to people about aspects of their lives that they're experiencing as increasingly unaffordable private costs.

There's this really incredible groundbreaking book called The Sum of Us that I really highly recommend.

Episode: Families Are Drowning in Care Costs. Here’s How To...

The book was highlighted as a remarkable work that explains how racism costs everyone and how the country can prosper together.

"

Heather McGhee is the author of the remarkable book, The Sum of Us, What Racism Costs Everyone and How We Can Prosper Together.

When I was traveling the country for what would become my book, The Sum of Us, I spent a lot of time talking to people about aspects of their lives that they're experiencing as increasingly unaffordable private costs.

There's this really incredible groundbreaking book called The Sum of Us that I really highly recommend.

Episode: The Life-Altering Differences Between White and Bl...

Louise recommended Heather McGhee's "The Sum of Us" as a book that offers a powerful perspective on inequality.

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Marissa Baradaran's book, Color of Money, Alexis Harris's book, Pound of Flesh, and Heather McGee's The Sum of Us.

Episode: How Identity Politics Took Over the Republican Par...

During the conversation Klein referenced McGhee's The Sum of Us as an example of how identitybased politics can manifest in extreme ways, likening it to a concretefilled swimming pool that harms its own community.

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the most important part of this is Heather McGhee's in her book, The Sum of Us, right? Her opening example of people filling the swimming pool with concrete rather than desegregating the swimming pool.

Episode: Ibram X. Kendi on What Conservatives—and Liberals—...

Kendi highlighted McGhee's book as showing how structural racism harms all groups, including white Americans, and recommended it as a mustread.

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Heather McGee recently demonstrated in her new book, The Sum of Us, that structural racism has not just harmed people of color. It's also harmed white people.

I would recommend Heather McGee's The Sum of Us.

Episode: What ‘Drained-Pool’ Politics Costs America

The host described the book's central metaphor of a drained public pool and said it argued that racism costs everyone, urging readers to move beyond zerosum thinking.

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The metaphor at the center of the book is this idea of the drained public pool.

I wrote this book because I think it's important to talk about the benefits of moving beyond drained pool politics for all people, including white people.

And your book, of course, is The Sum of Us. And everybody, including Joe Biden, should read it. It's really fantastic.

The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart

The book illustrated how white towns drained public pools rather than integrate them, using that as a metaphor for contemporary societal division.

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Ladies and gentlemen, Heather McGee, author of The Sum of Us.

— Episode: DEI? You’re Fired! with Heather McGhee

Episode: DEI? You’re Fired! with Heather McGhee

The book illustrated how white towns drained public pools rather than integrate them, using that as a metaphor for contemporary societal division.

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Ladies and gentlemen, Heather McGee, author of The Sum of Us.

I wrote this book, The Sum of Us. And the central story was when many white townspeople officials decided to drain their public pools rather than integrate them.

Heather McGee, author of the sum of us.

Revisionist History

It was mentioned and discussed, as it explores the idea of a zero-sum game, and how racism has negatively impacted all of society, rather than just people of color. It was called a book that many Americans could learn from.

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Heather McGee is an expert in economic and social policy and the author of the best-selling book, The Sum of Us, What Racism Costs Everyone and How We Can Prosper Together.

— Episode: Presenting: Be Antiracist with Ibram X....

Episode: Presenting: Be Antiracist with Ibram X. Kendi

It was mentioned and discussed, as it explores the idea of a zero-sum game, and how racism has negatively impacted all of society, rather than just people of color. It was called a book that many Americans could learn from.

"

Heather McGee is an expert in economic and social policy and the author of the best-selling book, The Sum of Us, What Racism Costs Everyone and How We Can Prosper Together.

Your book, The Sum of Us, is the type of book that I learned from, that I think many Americans and many people around the world can learn from.

I wrote this book because I felt like we were missing something.

The Daily Show: Ears Edition

It explores the intersection of race and economic inequality, initially a New York Times bestseller, it was later adapted for young readers to discuss the same core questions in an accessible way.

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the core question at the heart of the some of us is why does it seem like we can't have nice things in America nice things like not like flying cars but nice things like universal health care and paid...

— Episode: Al Franken on Funding the IRS | Heather...

Episode: Al Franken on Funding the IRS | Heather McGhee’s “...

It explores the intersection of race and economic inequality, initially a New York Times bestseller, it was later adapted for young readers to discuss the same core questions in an accessible way.

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the core question at the heart of the some of us is why does it seem like we can't have nice things in America nice things like not like flying cars but nice things like universal health care and paid family leave and childcare in a great school in every neighborhood

it's this zero-sum story this old story that says that progress for people of color has to come at the expense of white people that we can't all sort of share in well-being that we're in this competition for dominance and status

the sum of us is about we all do better when we all do better

the hopeful part...they want to hear that we can fix this and I truly believe that everything about the world that we see now all the dysfunction it's because people made decisions to make the world as it is and so people can make better decisions

through collective action people coming together across lines of race finding solidarity recognizing that we all do better when we all do better and that we all want big beautiful public pools we can really win and take on powerful interests but we can't if we're divided

Episode: Al Franken On The MN Senator Against Free School L...

It was discussed how the book's core message is that we all do better when we all do better, and that through collective action, people can come together across racial lines to improve society. A young readers adaptation of the book was also mentioned.

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The Sum of Us is about how race intersects with economic inequality. And it became an instant New York Times bestseller.

And now you've done a book that's for school children, for middle schoolers.

We really didn't dumb it down. That was the lesson I got.

The core question at the heart of The Sum of Us is why does it seem like we can't have nice things in America?

And the sum of us is about we all do better when we all do better, which is what Paul Wallstone used to say.

Strict Scrutiny

The book explored why the US struggled to provide basic standards of living for its people, concluding that racism was the underlying driving force behind most of the country's public problems. The central metaphor used to illustrate this concept was the story of drained public pools following integration pushes.

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So I wrote The Some of Us in many ways to answer the question for myself and for so many of the advocates that I had spent nearly 20 years in the field of progressive advocacy with, which is the quest...

— Episode: Drained Pool Politics

Episode: Drained Pool Politics

The book explored why the US struggled to provide basic standards of living for its people, concluding that racism was the underlying driving force behind most of the country's public problems. The central metaphor used to illustrate this concept was the story of drained public pools following integration pushes.

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So I wrote The Some of Us in many ways to answer the question for myself and for so many of the advocates that I had spent nearly 20 years in the field of progressive advocacy with, which is the question of why can't we have nice things and why is it so hard for this country to get its act together and provide for the basics of a decent standard of living for its people.

And in many ways, the answer that I discovered on this journey was that racism is the underlying driving force behind most of the dysfunction of our country's most vexing public problems. And the central metaphor for the book grew to be the story of the drained public pool.

Everything we believe comes from a story we've been told and all of the stories we have are told by some people for a certain purpose and so I wanted to go back and look at our history and really it became totally clear to me that the zero sum story was a justification for the original economic model in this country of stolen land and stolen people and stolen labor.

And I think that if it weren't for racism we would not have had the financial crisis and eight million jobs and 19 trillion dollars in household wealth could have been saved.

I think we have to deal with the story level right? It's a story that white parents have about the inferiority of black and brown children does not change over generations.

Fresh Air

Podcast

Fresh Air

Heather McGhee's book examines why many Americans believe progress for one group signifies loss for another, tracing how the country has chosen to destroy public goods rather than share them. The author argued that racism hurts everyone, including white Americans, by costing the country significant GDP, and presented the book as both a diagnosis and a way out.

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Her book, 'The Sum of Us,' examines a question at the heart of American life: Why do so many Americans believe that progress for one group means loss for another?

— Episode: Best Of: Mixed Marriage Project / How Ra...

Episode: Best Of: Mixed Marriage Project / How Racism Costs...

Heather McGhee's book examines why many Americans believe progress for one group signifies loss for another, tracing how the country has chosen to destroy public goods rather than share them. The author argued that racism hurts everyone, including white Americans, by costing the country significant GDP, and presented the book as both a diagnosis and a way out.

"

Her book, 'The Sum of Us,' examines a question at the heart of American life: Why do so many Americans believe that progress for one group means loss for another?

Her book, The Sum of Us, What Racism Costs Everyone and How We Can Prosper Together, came out in 2021, but it reads like it was written for this exact moment.

The economists at Citigroup found that the black-white economic divide had cost the U.S. GDP $16 trillion over the course of 20 years.

Lovett or Leave It

It was brought up in a segment discussing books about America's issues and problems, specifically the state of politics and how it's broken.

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I really recommend to everybody listening that they read the book. There's your book, there's Adam Jendelson's book, Killswitch, about the Senate. There's Heather McGhee's book, The Sum of Us.

— Episode: Cuomosexual Misconduct

Episode: Cuomosexual Misconduct

It was brought up in a segment discussing books about America's issues and problems, specifically the state of politics and how it's broken.

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I really recommend to everybody listening that they read the book. There's your book, there's Adam Jendelson's book, Killswitch, about the Senate. There's Heather McGhee's book, The Sum of Us.

Episode: Exhale to the Chief

It explored the concept of zero-sum racial politics versus solidarity politics, explaining how racism has hindered progress and caused societal issues, particularly in the context of public resources and infrastructure.

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I mean, that was just the most moving moment of the inauguration by far. So the parable at the heart of my book, The Sum of Us, is the story that actually probably both of our parents might remember that happened all across the country where in towns that had large resort-style public swimming pools, and there were over 2000 of them in the country, many of them were segregated or whites only.

And when the civil rights movement gained legal decisions integrating them, many in every single region of the country, towns decided to drain their public swimming pools rather than integrate them.

And they would actually just destroy a public resource rather than sharing it. And so I start my book with that story because it really is the question of why America can't have nice things.

If we're divided, we're conquered.

The book is The Sum of Us. Everybody should read it and just do whatever Heather says as a rule, as a good rule of thumb.

Morning Joe

It was mentioned as Heather McGee's bestselling book, titled "The Sum of Us: What Racism Costs Everyone and How We Can Prosper Together" and was also the title of her new podcast series.

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She also is the author of the bestselling book titled The Sum of Us, What Racism Costs Everyone and How We Can Prosper Together.

— Episode: Morning Joe 7/29/22

Episode: Morning Joe 7/29/22

It was mentioned as Heather McGee's bestselling book, titled "The Sum of Us: What Racism Costs Everyone and How We Can Prosper Together" and was also the title of her new podcast series.

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She also is the author of the bestselling book titled The Sum of Us, What Racism Costs Everyone and How We Can Prosper Together.

All In with Chris Hayes

The host highlighted the book as a bestselling, highly regarded work that explains how racism harms everyone and argues that collaborative solutions can foster shared prosperity. He referenced the author’s expertise as a political strategist and presented the title as a key resource for understanding these issues.

Highly Recommended

Episode: Chris Hayes reads ‘deranged’ transcript of Trump R...

Heather McGhee discussed the book "The Sum of Us" and said that Donald Trump's speech was unhinged and menacing.

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Heather McGhee is a long time political strategist and author of the bestselling book, The Sum of Us, What Racism Costs Everyone and How We Can Prosper Together.

Episode: Kamala Harris and Tim Walz host first campaign ral...

Heather McGhee's book, 'The Sum of Us', was mentioned as a fantastic bestseller that details how racism negatively impacts everyone and how collaboration can lead to prosperity.

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Heather McGhee a long time political strategist author of the fantastic bestselling book of the sum of us what racism costs everyone how we can prosper together

Episode: ‘Your body, my choice:’ Women enraged by emboldene...

It was described as a bestselling book written by progressive strategist Heather McGhee.

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Heather McGee, longtime progressive strategist, author of the bestselling book, The Sum of Us

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