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Trump has directed all his former aides to defy these subpoenas and ex White House chief of staff Mark Meadows may get charged as well. As for Trump himself, he's busy doing what he does best admitting everything he's been accused of in an interview with ABC's Jonathan Carl for his upcoming book betrayal, which reveals new details about how the White House pressured Vice President Mike Pence to steal the election.

Trump basically copped to everything.

There was a report... that you talked to him that morning and you said you could be a patriot or you can be a...

I wouldn't dispute it.

Joining us today, the vice chair of the January 6th committee and author of the new book Oath and Honor, a memoir and a warning. Former Wyoming representative Liz Cheney.

Joining us today, the vice chair of the January 6th committee and author of the new book Oath and Honor, a memoir and a warning. Former Wyoming representative Liz Cheney.

The plagiarism joke probably killed with the 50 swing voters who have read What It Takes.

I see What It Takes.

According to Maggie Haberman's soon to be released book, he also literally flushed documents down the toilet.

And just before we started recording, according to Maggie Haberman's soon to be released book, he also literally flushed documents down the toilet.

Ronan Farrow did stop by. I had some tough questions for Ronan about his book Catch and Kill, including the impressions he does of a certain podcast host who he makes sound like a gay snake.

He does impressions of you in the audio book?

He does the accent of a gay podcast host. It sounds like a Disney villain.

The book is is very transparent about the fact that these were people I liked and respected.

The reporting is particularly meticulous. One of the best fact checkers in the world, a senior checker from The New Yorker, really raked over every sentence. And the thing is airtight.

This was a company with a lot of secrets, as it turns out.

It's a pattern. And I document a case in which there was another Catch and Kill operation where AMI went after buying the rights to the story of a Trump Tower doorman who claimed Trump had a love child there.

I'm selling a damn book, Jonathan.

I got two theses on these one is the is the Eric Klein and Berg who just got a great book out now about the pandemic called 2020.

In my neighborhood the whole criminal justice system lost legitimacy when people see folks having a system as Bryan Stevenson says it treats you better if you're rich and guilty than poor and innocent.

He went to the bookstore and got a whole bunch of books from The New Jim Crow to Bryan Stevenson's Just Mercy.

I felt like it's sort of like two separate books that are inextricably connected, right? There's the part about, you know, the loss of your brother, Bo and the stories about, you know, like the love and resiliency of your family. And then there's an account of battles with addiction and a journey to sobriety.

The book is really a love story. It's a love letter to those, to the people that never gave up on me.

I knew that the book that I wanted to write was the whole, the, the, the full story of the depths of my addiction, because I don't, I didn't, I think that the, the value of the story, uh, and the reason I'm so vivid about it was to let people know that they're suffering sick in the same way that I was.

I think that more than anything, um, it carries such a, uh, it's such a loaded, um, word and it, it, it conjures things that are, uh, are, uh, are not necessarily true, but it really kind of shocks the conscious, um, uh, a little bit.

It's rare to read it on its account of addiction and of recovery and of a human story about a family and love. And I think just very much worth your time.

I felt like it's sort of like two separate books that are inextricably connected, right? There's the part about, you know, the loss of your brother, Bo and the stories about, you know, like the love and resiliency of your family. And then there's an account of battles with addiction and a journey to sobriety.

It's really a love story. It's a love letter to those, to the people that never gave up on me.

The book is really a love story about your family.

The addicts I know who hit bottom are dead.

It's a great book. The book is Beautiful Things. I think everyone should read it because I don't know, it's rare to read it on its account of addiction and of recovery and of a human story about a family and love.

This state that voted for- Hey everyone making your What's the Matter with Kansas jokes on Twitter. We've seen them. We've seen them all.

They are, so that's a no on the pod title?

It's just every single fucking person has some play on What's the Matter with Kansas.

I'm like none of them are funny.

They rank up there with the BFD jokes around the Inflation Reduction Act.

This state that voted for- Hey everyone making your What's the Matter with Kansas jokes on Twitter. We've seen them. We've seen them all.

It's also a sign of how old you are by the way. Were you digging deep into the Democratic Party problems in the early aughts? If so, this joke's for you. Maybe you know what that book is called.

her book is called 'No Going Back', I guess that's right yeah

she put it back, she hired those people again, she demanded it go in the second book and then she said the reason that she put it in the second book is because opponents and past races have used it against her so she thought she would get ahead of the story

Her book is called 'No Going Back', I guess that's right, yeah.

she apparently just went on Fox and said that the reason that she told this story in her book about killing the puppy was to prove that she's quote 'not like other politicians'.

she put it back in the second book and then she said the reason that she put it in the second book is because opponents and past races have used it against her so she thought she would get ahead of the story.

she also she read the audiobook herself by the way.

I've met with many many world leaders, I've traveled around the world, I think I've talked extensively in this book about my time serving in Congress, my time as governor before governor, some of the travels that I've had, um, I'm not going to talk about my specific meetings with world leaders.

It's like replace Beloved with To Kill a Mockingbird. This also gave me nightmares.

Did you ever read To Kill a Mockingbird? Yeah. Jump to Harper Lee so fast.

A Tennessee school board voted 10-0 to remove Mouse, a Pulitzer Prize-winning graphic novel about the Holocaust.

The narrator describes entire groups of people being murdered with the killers told it's because they are not human.

The narrator describes entire groups of people being murdered with the killers told it's because they are not human.

I have a book coming out on March called Abundance.

And yet there's this strange phenomenon where, whether it's your book or the Abundance book that's gotten attention, it somehow has managed to find kind of our usual ideological groove.

they also got the thing about the adrenochrome from uh uh hundress thompson from uh interesting you're in loving

come on you said it yeah you act like you didn't know it I mean I don't know why they were doing the weird hunger games like I think this one's where we go where we go well so some people say it was a q anon motto where we go one where we go all which is a line they stole from the movie white squall remember nice no I don't remember a flick check it out the uh they also got the thing about the adrenochrome from uh uh hundress thompson from uh interesting you're in loving