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Experience an immersive listening experience like nothing you've heard before.

This chilling tale of constant surveillance, thought police, and rebellion is more relevant now than ever.

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Hear why those who control the past control the future.

Marjorie was very much a girl who liked girly things But Marion had a slightly rougher edge not afraid to get dirty or get hurt

mrs. Holt was quite strict about student deportment and even more careful about strangers visiting the building

This was the 1920s also a time when children trusted adults and authority figures with a certain blind faith

a calculated effort to make the old woman's death seem like the result of natural causes.

According to author Harold Schechter, who we will be referencing his work a lot during this.

And you might recognize that name because in the Ed Gein series, we used his book Deviant for a lot of that, like mentioned him a lot during that too.

So he knows a lot about old timey serial killers.

modern research has conclusively shown that brutalization is always a factor in the development of adult psychopathy.

the wards of Bellevue were staffed by former inmates of Blackwell's Island Workhouse.

I am almost done with The Guest List by Lucy Foley.

I'm listening to that title right now and it is heating up.

The lights keep going off. People are running from one tent to another. There's a body outside.

I just listened to The Guest List by Lucy Foley.

And my favorite part about the listening experience was that each character was narrated by a different voice actor.

So it was really fully immersive. It was really cool.

It feels like entering a different world when you walk in. One second you're walking across the street ... and next you're staring at Hogwartsesque buildings complete with stained glass and gargoyles.

Harry Potterstyle glasses, illfitting clothing, the works.

They like to act like they were characters in Harry Potter or like Star Trek, which Morgan really loved.

And he also had a copy of J.D. Salinger's Catcher in the Rye. Ah. In a plastic bag.

So this guy is literally just taking pieces from other people. He's like BTK. Yeah he's the fucking BTK of celebrity murderers.

Catcher in the Rye? Come on. Yeah literally go fuck yourself.

...and then just fucking re-catch her in the rye if you haven't already because you're a phony if you haven't and but don't bring it anywhere with you to do any bad things because I bet J.D. Salinger is so sick of that.

J.D. Salinger is sick of that shit. I'm sick of that shit. He's had enough of your shit.

What's the serial killer one that they all read before? The Catcher in the Rye. Yes, there you go. I love that book.

I picked Meg Cabot aka author of the Princess Diaries. Hell yeah. ... Her books brought a lot of joy to me during this time so I was happy to do the thing you know? ... then I got the paperback and she gave me a fucking D.

She gave a lot of bullshit reasons especially saying that I should have picked someone that had written uh that I that had more written on them or what the fuck ever but I was devastated.

He said, get out of mourning, girl. He said, girl, get sexy and flirt. Isn't that The Princess Diaries when Joe is like, you've been wearing black for too long?

The book is called Runaway Devil by Robert Remington and that name is going to make sense later in this case.

It's a really great book, really disturbing, but really well done.

If you're watching I'll Be Gone in the Dark, they talk a lot about that and I'll Be Gone in the Dark.

I don't know if anybody watched that show. I'll Be Gone in the Dark. Okay, I didn't watch it yet. It's so good, guys.

I can't believe that we started the podcast on The Golden State Killer and I haven't even watched it yet. I suck. I'm telling you guys, this show is amazing. Michelle McNamara is someone I am so sad that I didn't get to know in life.

That was according to The Man from the Train by Bill James, which is such a good book. And he's a retired detective who like goes into this case and looks at it from a detective's point of view from now.

I highly, highly recommend that book. I'll link it.

And according to the book The Man from the Train by Bill James, which I can't say it enough. Go buy that book.

I'm not kidding you. Go buy the book. It'll just, you won't stop. You will just blow through those. Just keeps coming and it just keeps coming.

According to The Man from the Train, read it again. Love that book.

Bill James in his book says that often this particular serial killer would kill everyone in their sleep and they would be found where they lay.

The Laramie Project I think you mentioned, it was created from this case. The creator was Moises Kaufman and it's a play that shows the events. And it shows the real, you know, the real residents of Laramie trying to deal with what happened there as characters.

the Laramie Project I think you mentioned, it was created from this case. The creator was Moises Kaufman and it's a play that shows the events.

I don't know why it reminded me of The Lovely Bones, but it did.

Which I was like, that reminded me of like The Lovely Bones for some reason.

you can go ahead and read his book or you can read Kill Em All by Ryan Green if you want gnarly detail.

Now in Kill them All it says, there's two different stories about these murders that occur. Carl's version and then in Kill them All they tell a little different of a version.

According to the book Kill Them All by Ryan Green which is a really interesting book about this case I recommend it.

There's also kill them all ... it's by ryan green and i think it's called a true story of abuse and the making of a murderer.

The Monstering of Myra Hindley By Nina Wilde

The last one I read and it kind of infuriated me but I suppose it's kind of interesting to read and I think it's not a bad one to at least have another perspective. It's called The Monstering of Myra Hindley and it's by Nina Wilde.

we're going to be reading Postmortem by patricia cornwell so if you haven't read that definitely read it yeah if you have read it and it's been a while brush up on it because that's what we're gonna be talking about so good elena's read it like a million times i have i love it i'm reading it for the first time right now and it's really really good trust me

We covered Postmortem by none other than Patricia Cornwell. It's such a fun book. It's the beginning of the Case Scarpetta series. It's in paperback. It's a fittable book in your back pocket.

Some sources, including A Nightmare in Villisca by Richard Estep, which is another great book, say investigators theorized that he used the bacon to masturbate with.

In a book called In a Nightmare, A Nightmare in Villisca by Richard Estep they talk about in 2019 the show Kindred Spirits interviewed Buck.

According to Villisca by Roy Marshall, another book I read on this that's really good, hotels were booked within the two days after the bodies were discovered because so many people were coming into town.

According to Villisca by Roy Marshall, another book I read on this that's really good that I will link.

According to the book Veliska by Roy Marshall, it was a big book and I am so remiss for forgetting that because he's a very big... he's the person for this. He's one of the people that are huge experts on this case.

She was already on book number two in the Wrong Never Felt So Right series.

Every book was more or less the same. Burly former Navy SEAL comes to the rescue of beautiful young woman on the run from her dangerous husband.

More shirts were going to be unbuttoned. More dresses were going to get unzipped.

According to Elliot O'Donnell, who we will link the source in the show notes, she was well known by neighbors to be distinctly eccentric.

O'Donnell wrote that she was possessed of a remarkably excitable temperament, frequently getting vexed and put out for no apparent cause.

And she is still remembered as very much a tartar to her servants.

O'Donnell actually refers to it in the book as an obvious anxiety to be thought genteel.

Now, although he doesn't offer any examples of this, O'Donnell does heavily imply that Kate's appearance was a little brutish.