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And if you just want to buy a book. Buy it. I have a book. Yeah. That I wrote years ago. It's called I'm Just a Person which is true. It is true. Yeah. I am just a person. Well I imagine that book is amazing now. Yeah. It's really good. It is one of the best books I think ever read. Read. Read. Read. Read. Read and written. Read. No. It's an old book but I just thought I'd plug it just randomly. Why not? Yeah. Get my old book. New York Times bestseller.

I got a book called I'm Just a Person.

and then when my book came out, it's called I'm Just a Person. It's a New York Times bestseller.

author and podcast host known for her book, Mating in Captivity, which is amazing.

an acclaimed psychotherapist author and podcast host known for her book mating and captivity

which is amazing if you're having the sailor dilemma you got to read that book

Well, it didn't make me think about The Da Vinci Code which ties in.

Didn't really think about The Da Vinci Code, which ties in.

It's all Romeo And Juliet and, you know.

You've Got Mail is so toxic and Romeo And Juliet.

I think that's a safe assumption... I was probably kind of like the farm boy in Princess Bride?

I'm going farmhand like the guy from Princess Bride.

Do you remember in The Princess Bride? She says, his eyes were like the sea before a storm.

She wrote that book, The Way of Integrity. And if people don't remember, it's just a book that encourages you to try and live the most honest and truthful life that you can.

I don't know if I've talked about this book before but the Martha Beck book called The Way of Integrity I cannot encourage people enough to read this book; it is lifechanging, it is so eyeopening about honesty and the importance of removing as many white lies out of your life as possible.

She said the amount of joy and shift in her life came from seeing how little white lies add up, and after reading she mapped out how everything can pull you under when you're not living honestly.

I'm obsessed with Let Them right now. I just listened to her on Glennon Doyle's podcast. And yeah, I think what I liked about it is, like, so much of our stress and inner conflict comes from focusing on, yeah, things that we can't control because you can't control other people's behavior. So when you're so attached to the outcome of someone else's behavior and what they do, but it's, yeah, you're setting yourself up to be feeling out of control and anxious, but you really can control your own actions and boundaries and behavior.

Her book is, I think, pretty huge because it is empowering people in a way I think that people needed it, you know, because when, you know, obviously two people have different needs or different ways of handling things, you feel so lost and like, I don't know what to do. I don't know how to handle this. So there was something I could even see when you said it, May, like you felt kind of free from a burden.

Like, you know, when you say it. All of us have relationships, whether it's your parents or your friends, relationships that you wish were different and you wish the person was different, even though you love them and you're like, they do this thing. I wish. And, and yeah, it takes up so much mental energy.

Now I'm getting into the kind of selfhelp podcast world. Mel Robbins I've been listening to. Is Mel Robbins Let Them? Yeah, Mel, she wrote that book, Let Them.

I'm obsessed with Let Them. 2025 is Let Them for me.

I love Lord of the Rings and that's where Hobbiton is.

like uh you know some of the mountains on the moon and stuff are named after Tolkien like lord of the rings like to penetrate public culture so much that something is named after you

She did Fun Home. And then also she wrote the Dykes to Look Out For. Love that.

It would probably be Alison Bechdel. Thanks.

Fun Home. Fun Home. It is a musical? It is gay. It's so gay. That is what they were talking about. And then they mentioned the Ring of Keys song from Fun Home.

They went to Chicago and New York and met with designers and they just couldn't find one. Then they were getting on the train to go back to LA. And they stop in this vintage shop while they're waiting for the train. And they find the perfect coat. It's the coat that you see in the movie. It's like dark green, long, perfect coat. They bring it to the actor, Frank Morgan, who's playing the wizard.

And you don't know if this is true.

They put a name badge sewn into it. And the name is? Dorothy. Frank L. Baum, the writer of the books. And they contact his widow and they say, we found this coat. Did this belong to Frank Baum? She's like, yes. She has photographs of him wearing it. And that's the coat that they wear in the movie.

The writer of Wizard of Oz. And they contact his widow and they say, we found this coat. Did this belong to Frank Baum? She's like, yes.

It said it was like the closest he could get to sound like Frank L. Baum, Alphaba.

I have this like one dream I remember when I was like a kid of a of a witch kind of like The Wizard of Oz coming over the banister and that scared me for like years over the banister yeah like the green witch very giant witch came there like it was at my grandmother's house she had like this wrap around staircase and the witch like came over the staircase and with the big scary green I'd probably just watch The Wizard of Oz or something I would bet that's true but in general

Hans Christian Andersen's fairy tales told for children that's published.

Okay, Hans Christian Anderson's Fairy Tales told for Children. That's published.

James Clear, the author of the bestselling book Atomic Habits, has a whole Masterclass about how to develop small habits that can change your life.

I've been reading this book called The 5AM Club and I'm almost finished.

I cannot recommend this book enough.

It was unbelievably inspiring, talked about zero excuses, waking at 5a.m., no lying, being fully accountable, and having a chunk of quiet time while the world sleeps.

I went to the whaling museum. It's the Essex, the ship that sank hundreds of years ago, and Moby Dick was based on it. And it's a harrowing tale. I won't get into it, but this whale.

Some would say a whale of a tale. It's a whale of a tale.

I remember them reading Narnia to us in the car and

It's interesting that you said this because I just started reading the book Dopamine Nation.

I have that on my shelf and I'm too addicted to my phone to open it. Oh, it's really interesting because it's not just phone... I just on the cover, it says, you know, how to create balance or whatever in your life.

It basically gets into the world more so of addiction and which I didn't realize. I know it well. I know it, man. But yeah, I was curious about the life balance, but I guess that makes a lot of sense that it's people's addictions that kind of get in the way.

And that's what this book got me thinking about is like, I don't want to, that's, you know, news is there to inform you, but it's also a business where they're trying to just keep you sucked in. And I feel like a fool because it's working and I don't like that feeling.

I was reading very interesting things and I was curious if you had read it when you, because you were talking about dopamine before we got on.

I have a very, very clear memory of being probably about 14. And one of the big Harry Potter books had just come out and I was so, so excited. I was one of those people that would go and buy the Harry Potter book at, I don't know, midnight and then read it all day. ... And I remember him standing up at the back of the school bus and shouting down the whole thing, Sirius dies. And I just could have, I could have killed him. Yeah, that was the biggest spoiler. I was a huge, huge fan. I'm still a huge fan.

I was actually offered the part of Frodo Baggins in The Lord of the Rings, and I was like, that would mean, no, it's not funny. There has to be something you were asked to do.

Our guest today is an author, activist and podcast host whose best selling books are Untamed, Love Warrior and Carry On Warrior.

I noticed it earlier. Love Warrior and Abby's. Abby Wombeck. Oh, and Untamed Glennon Doyle.

And everyone just... You're always like striding through the office. Like Devil Wears Prada? Devil Wears Prada. You're Meryl Streep in Devil Wears Prada.