Battlegrounds The Fight to Defend the Free World

And you have to understand really what is driving and constraining the other in the battlegrounds this book I just finished.

It's a page turner, Jordan. I'm telling you.

It was a long weekend but it was a good one.

You mentioned in the book, 'Battlegrounds' which will link in the show notes that going back to what you were saying, exploiting the initiative, we run the risk of slash are not doing this in Iraq and Afghanistan where we're kind of like okay, we did this big surge and we got them on their back foot. Now let's get everybody out of here and go home.

But it's including notes though. It's a page turner, Jordan. I'm telling you. Well, I read the whole thing. It was a long weekend but it was a good one.

in the battlegrounds this book I just finished.

You mentioned in the book, 'Battlegrounds' which will link in the show notes that going back to what you were saying, exploiting the initiative, we run the risk of slash are not doing this in Iraq and Afghanistan where we're kind of like okay, we did this big surge and we got them on their back foot. Now let's get everybody out of here and go home.

It's a page turner, Jordan. I'm telling you.

it was like 19 hours. What is that in pages? 400 or something? 500 pages?

It's including notes though.

He's the author of two books, as I said, Derilection of Duty and most recently Battlegrounds, The Fight to Defend the Free World.

We talk about this great concept in his new book called Strategic Empathy, which I think is a very stoic concept.

And please check out his book, Derilection of Duty and his new one, Battlegrounds, The Fight to Defend the Free World.

Yeah, I read about this in Battlegrounds about how I took with me into the White House at a determination to at least make different mistakes than those that I had written about during the period in which Vietnam became an American War.

I tell the story of when I was when I was leaving to go to the White House quite unexpectedly right the president hired me on you know president's day in 2017 after interview of Mar-a-Lago and uh and I flew back on Air Force One I didn't live in Washington so they flew me on Osprey aircraft back to my house I packed a bag and I went to work the next day you know in the west wing of the White House but my future son-in-law was visiting us and I was pulling all these books down off my shelf to take with me he goes hey what should we be packing clothes instead of books like why are you taking all these books with you and I said well whenever you know I take on a new job I try to learn from the experiences of those you know who had that responsibility previously