The New Right A Journey to the Fringe of American Politics

we're joined by a really great guest I'm speaking with James Pogue he is the author of a new piece of entity fair it's called inside the new right he's a contributing editor at harpers and someone who covers this space I think this is one of the best written pieces on this really important dynamic especially post jd vance wins

This piece came out in Vanity Fair right so this isn't coming out in Jacobin it's not coming out in like something like a little it's like the most very prestigious but like a very like not traditional audience for this type of discourse but what was the react so what was just the reaction that you got from let's say like your center left 38 year old like what was their reaction to these ideas

he is the author of a new piece of entity fair it's called inside the new right he's a contributing editor at harpers and someone who covers this space I think this is one of the best written pieces on this really important dynamic especially post jd vance wins

I try to explain it to people who've literally never heard anything about this stuff as kind of two twin tendencies um and so one would be this kind of broad based idea on the right you're going to take over the republican party and refashion it towards something like what we see in France with marine le pen a sort of like nationalist anti-globalist vision of a right that is conservative anti-globalization and kind of proudly americanist in a way that the republican party hasn't been

I think the thing that you really capture in your piece I love you to expand on this is it's americanist but it's focused on decline in a way that the reaganite version just wasn't but it's very definition

I think that that's not a great way of doing politics to be frank to go a little bit beyond that the new right with its kind of emphasis on recent realizing executive power has a real vision of how to do a lot of this stuff they have and I'm not saying that it's a plausible vision but they have an articulation of like hey we're going to recent utilize power in the executive branch and we are going to do big stuff really quick and that was something that Bernie offered to some degree he was saying we're going to build a huge broad base coalition that will allow us to move really quick and do big stuff that got broken

I think that's going to lead to an interesting and volatile space for right wing politics going forward

hey breaking points we're joined by a really great guest I'm speaking with James Pogue he is the author of a new piece of entity fair it's called inside the new right he's a contributing editor at harpers and someone who covers this space I think this is one of the best written pieces on this really important dynamic especially post jd vance wins so let's just ask the obvious question this new right discourse has existed for a couple years like the podcast saga and I do call the realignment started covering this space like in 2019 why this year 2022 late april like why was this the moment for you to write this piece.

there's a chapter of Milo my book on the new right

You're the Willy Wonk of Politics.

I'm on the back of the book, called You're the Willy Wonk of Politics.

You've basically predicted kind of all of everything that's happened over the last couple of years.