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I think because it's a show about people who have been cast aside by the industry, I think it's really relatable because you know what it's like or a lot of people know what it's like to be on the outside of something and want to break into it. And this woman, Deborah Vance, played brilliantly by Jean Smart, is this Vegas stand-up and kind of had to carve out her own path outside of show business. So I think because of that, people who want to do creative work or people who want to do something and have a craving for something really understand that.

Yeah, I mean, that was the thing for us is we had never seen a show, other than maybe Mother Daughter or something, where there were two people that were so different that became friends. So that was really one of the most interesting parts of the dynamic. Also, it let us explore different ideas from their frame of reference, which would be so different. And so we can do that over and over again in a way that hopefully is sensitive to both of their points of view. Nobody's ever 100% right.

I know because I'm fearful of it. Yes. The worst thing you can be called is a thief. The second worst thing you can be called is a hack. Yes. So how did this term in the title happen? And sometimes I wonder if it's accurate for the show. Am I right to question that? No. That's why you're here. I'm here to ask you. It is interesting because we kind of called it that in the beginning. It was sort of like a temporary title. But it is like this thing of, and you see people on Late Night actually, a lot of times comedians I find, or I think we can all agree, they're on Late Night and they still kill. And they're so funny because they're in touch with what's going on in culture. And then there are some people that age out. And some people that you get are on and you're like, why is this person still doing it? Or why are they still telling the same jokes?

But what she learns in the course of the show is that a hack is somebody who does the same thing over and over again. But our character learns and grows because of her relationship with this younger person. And vice versa. I mean the younger person is an entitled Gen Z person that learns the value of hard work and gets up earlier. You know, there's a lot of things that she gets back from Debra.

Hacks is the best comedy that's been on TV since Office Racer 30 Rock.

Hacks won the best comedy Emmy which they were denied last year.

but even still the actors on the show he and Einbinder were denied it because the bear which is I just kind of hard to watch actually it's hard it's like it's just very boring.