What Do We Need Men For? A Modest Proposal
E. Jean Carroll
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The MeidasTouch Podcast
The hosts noted that the book was referenced by Trump’s legal team as a tongue‑in‑cheek comment, and the judge clarified that it was a satirical allusion to Jonathan Swift’s essay. They described the title as a satirical proposal about sending men to Montana for retraining, highlighting its humorous intent rather than endorsing its content.
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E. Jean Carroll's book was mentioned in passing, where the title was used by Donald Trump's lawyers in an attempt to suggest she hated all men, which the judge refuted as a satirical literary reference.
And the judge was basically saying, oh you are you're just making a literary reference there as a joke because the question was so ridiculous to Jonathan Swift's satirical essay.
And then Joe Toccapina said, oh there you're prejudiced that's why there should be a mistrial.
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The book was described as satirical. It was mentioned in the context of Eugene Carroll's satirical statement about sending all men to Montana to be retrained, which was referenced during cross-examination in the trial. The court acknowledged that it was a satirical reference to Jonathan Swift's 'A Modest Proposal,' a satirical essay that suggests the poor Irish people could alleviate their economic troubles by selling their children as food to the rich.
At one point I think in your book you propose we should dispose of all men. And she answers, yeah, into Montana. And he thinks like he's got her, right? He's like question into Montana answer. And she goes, yeah, and retrain them.
Question so retrain. So all the men here in this courtroom in this country all get shuffled off to Montana and get retrained. So at that point, he thinks that he's got this moment.
You do understand that that was satire, right?
It comes from Jonathan Swift's 'A Modest Proposal' 700 years ago, right?
Yeah. And the court's like, all right, let's well, it also does come from Jonathan Swift's 'A Modest Proposal' like read Jonathan Swift's 'A Modest Proposal'. It is a satirical essay that is about that. It's about the poor. It's about the aristocracy. It's about the attitudes towards the poor of the rich. And it's known as being this piece of literary genius. Now, one of the top satirical works in the entire English language that, you know, through satire suggests that the impoverished Irish people could ease their economic troubles by selling their children as food to the rich. So that's what Eugene is playing off of in her book. It's a reference to that's what her book is called. Her book is called 'What Do We Need Men For? A Modest Proposal.'
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