The Ezra Klein Show

I think it was a pivotal text of this movement called the Turner Diaries.

The Turner Diaries is a dystopian novel that came out, well, I suppose a utopian novel if you're an activist in this movement, that came out in the late 1970s in serial and was then printed and circulated very widely in the white power movement.

There is a book ... A Black Man in the White House.

In 1995, you have this book that's written called Alien Nation. And the author is Peter Brimlow.

There's this forthcoming book called Radical American Partisanship from Liliana Mason and Nathan Kalmo where they did this study of partisans between November 2017 and February 2021.

I really like Tiny You by Jennifer Holland, which is the history of the antiabortion movement in the Four Corners states but actually has implications that go far beyond that reach.

One is Boys on the Bus by Timothy Krauss, which was a portrait of the campaign press at work in the 1970s. And this book helps you understand how powerful the peer culture is in journalism. And it's written as journalism was originally, I think, Rolling Stone piece. But there's something about it that still resonates like all these years later.

The second recommendation I have is called Making News by Gaye Tuchman, a sociologist, G-A-Y-E Tuchman. And she was part of a group of academics who in the 70s and 80s went into newsrooms to study how the people there work. And she came up with this notion of objectivity as a strategic ritual that journalists repeat in order to show I'm not cooking the books, I'm not for this side, I'm not for that side.

A third book is called Deciding what's news by Herbert Ganz, who's also a sociologist. They go into newsrooms and they hang out there for months and they watch how people act. But they are not journalists themselves. They come from outside the profession.

Looking back on How to Slowly Kill Yourself and Others in America and his novel, Long Division, Kiese realized there were parts of the books he wanted to change.

You have done that brilliantly and impressively with How to Slowly Kill Yourself and Others in America.

You bought back the rights to that book and you revised basically the whole text.

Looking back on How to Slowly Kill Yourself and Others in America and his novel, Long Division, Kiese realized there were parts of the books he wanted to change.

I wrote a book called Long Division and there are two characters called City.

She's author of the National Book Award finalist, Thick, and other essays, and she's the author of "Lower Ed: The Troubling Rise of ForProfit Colleges in the New Economy."

Another book is Shoutin' in the Fire, an American epistle by Dante Stewart. Incredible book by this young brother who fancies himself a preacher.

Colin Kaepernick just released his first book, Abolition for the People, which is a book of essays on abolition and policing edited by Kaepernick. It's an incredible book.

the book at the center of this is this wonderful book from a few years ago. It was a National Book Award finalist for nonfiction called The Soul of an Octopus by Si Montgomery.

Sai Montgomery, your book is The Soul of an Octopus. It is wonderful.

Another book that I have loved is King Solomon's Ring by Conrad Lorenz. This is just a classic account of animal behavior by the guy who founded the whole field known as ethology. In it, he talks about all kinds of animals with great respect, including fish and birds, and he recognizes that they too think, feel and know.

There's Andrei Tchaikovsky's great scifi book about octopus society, Children of Ruin.

She's author of the National Book Award finalist, Thick, and other essays, and she's just one of the most interesting, fun-to-talk-to people I've ever had on the show.

Marissa Baradaran's book, Color of Money, Alexis Harris's book, Pound of Flesh, and Heather McGee's The Sum of Us.

of an earlier book that you wrote, a spiritual memoir called From Fire by Water

Tintin was huge in my ... these are The Adventures of Tintin, the long running, I guess we would we call them graphic novels? By Herg, the great Belgian cartoonist