Settlers The Mythology of the White Proletariat from Mayflower to Modern

I think that's why people like settlers by Jace Akai so much like I think the thesis wasn't great But there's so much incredible stuff in that book that like it works Anyway, the having a really wild thesis allows you to like really like get into some yeah so anyway, one of the things that Kennedy talks about in that book is that a crowd an open crowd as he describes it an open crowd is Must constantly be growing and the moment it stops growing it starts shrinking, right? Yeah like this I think that dynamic in terms of both movement and like a Momentary protest or riot right is like really real I can I can totally see that Yeah and I think one of the things that Particularly organizers are trained to do and like that that we learn to do especially in the low periods and we're like Organizing these little you know, you know These little crystallized groups of like hard cadre or whatever is that like you that like what we learn as organized is something that is defendable But once you start defending something you start losing it because we cannot Take on the state or the police in a head-on confrontation and This is this can be confusing because sometimes you can successfully defend for a few weeks Maybe even a few months you can defend a space sometimes But once people get really interested in the defending then they begin forming bureaucracies governments internal policing security forces Whatever it is They start becoming the like the the they start undermining the very thing that made it powerful Which was this sudden rapid growth this sudden like, you know, like like big explosion of power and self-recognition that comes in the beginning of movement and I think I Don't think there's a way to will That problem away like I don't think we can just like think our way out of it Like it's just a problem but I do think that like one thing that we could take from the experience of occupy and the experience of last decade is That like if you do, you know consider yourself someone who wants to participate in these kind of movements Which is probably why you're listening to this podcast right now Don't try and defend Like don't try and defend like some things will need to be defended sometimes obviously But like if your main thing is like the thing we should never defend something we've achieved so far We should never not be willing to destroy it in order to like build something bigger Right, like we should never no movement thing that we have be it an Occupy Park Be it an be it like a taken space defending that should never outweigh The possibility of expanding and if that's our strategic mindset obviously moment to moment You can't just be thinking that constantly. Yeah, but the strategic mindset is like what we have now is Is only good to the extent that it can turn into something more Rather than we have to defend what we have now if you can think that way I think it opens up a lot of strategic possibilities And I think it's what has worked over the last decade that I've seen is When people attack when people expand when people try to do try to do new stuff It doesn't always work and it doesn't always hold but that's but when that stuff stops happening The movement is doomed. I think I think I think that's a really good way to Wrap things up. I think that's a nice beautiful sentiment I kind of view this type of thing in more than just protests and you know in a very different facets of life I think you can always learn from past experiences from past struggles But if you try to perfectly replicate them, you're absolutely gonna fail Yeah, you can should always learn and move on but you should not be focused on any kind of replication Is there any of your books or writings? You'd want to plug before we wrap up here?